Do you reckon Microsoft will ever be the market leader ??

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

OhSnapitz

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

I would say MS is the market leader and has been since launch. Lots of people have bought Wii's..ME included. But just becuase you have one, doesnt mean you play it every day. I played my 360 almost every day...I play my Wii about 2 times a month.

"played" my 360 ...Its in repaire...But when most people think of ONLINE gaming and shooters, they naturally think of Xbox360. So more people I think play it.

Does that make it the best? Not really...If I could sell all my 360 games, console and controlers and buy a PS3, I WOULD 10x over. But only because of the faulty hardware, not becuase its not fun.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

DragonFlyJ

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

Price IS a factor when you're trying to be #1... The 360 IS competing with both the wii and the PS3.. (just less with the wii). If I'm an exec at M$, I'm not happy that people are buying the wii instead of the 360. I don't care what kind of "appeal" the wii carries with it.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

DragonFlyJ

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

What the hell are you talkin about? 99% of all problems with computers are some where between the chair and keyboard, not the product.

I think it depends heavily on how they can change perception this generation. As it stands when you say the companies names in relation to gaming this is what you think of:

Nintendo = Family Friendly

PS3 = For Everyone

XBox 360 = Hardcore gamers

If Microsoft can overcome that stigma this gen then they have a chance next gen.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

OhSnapitz

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

Price IS a factor when you're trying to be #1... The 360 IS competing with both the wii and the PS3.. (just less with the wii). If I'm an exec at M$, I'm not happy that people are buying the wii instead of the 360. I don't care what kind of "appeal" the wii carries with it.

Yea you see all those Microsoft and Sony execs saying "The Wii really isn't a competitor this gen" that's complete hog swallow and they know it.

im thinking next gen maybe. look how much better they are doing this gen compared to last.Zero5000X

Its funny because in Japan the 360 is selling a lot better (if you can call it that) than the original XB. But it's too little too late if you ask me.

As long as the game quality stays the same they can sell less than the V-smile for all I care. Market share is their problem not mine.Riverwolf007

You = Wrong

It's both your problem and theirs if you have their game console.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

Firelore29

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

Price IS a factor when you're trying to be #1... The 360 IS competing with both the wii and the PS3.. (just less with the wii). If I'm an exec at M$, I'm not happy that people are buying the wii instead of the 360. I don't care what kind of "appeal" the wii carries with it.

Yea you see all those Microsoft and Sony execs saying "The Wii really isn't a competitor this gen" that's complete hog swallow and they know it.

They're just saying that to save face...

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]im thinking next gen maybe. look how much better they are doing this gen compared to last.OhSnapitz

Its funny because in Japan the 360 is selling a lot better (if you can call it that) than the original XB. But it's too little too late if you ask me.

Oh yea so much better:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=XB®1=Japan&cons2=X360®2=Japan&cons3=Wii®3=Japan&weeks=170

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]As long as the game quality stays the same they can sell less than the V-smile for all I care. Market share is their problem not mine.Firelore29

You = Wrong

It's both your problem and theirs if you have their game console.

If dev support is not a problem then what other reason is there for me to care about how well it sells?

im thinking next gen maybe. look how much better they are doing this gen compared to last.Zero5000X

I agree, I knew microsoft was going to fail horribly their first time around and when the 360 came out I knew it wouldn't stay on top for long. But seeing how many developpers are making games for it at the moment, I think that they stand a pretty good chance next gen...

They're just saying that to save face...

OhSnapitz

Save face? No, they're telling it like it is. It's not hard to look beyond this forum and see the reality of Wii being in another market than PS3 and 360. For System War purposes, Wii is on the same level. Once you log off and join the real world club, you'll know that the market are on two different paths. Wii has the neo-casual market. PS3/360 has the HD gaming market. If you think I'm making this up, you need to log off now and go outside to your nearest Best Buy.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

They're just saying that to save face...

DragonFlyJ

Save face? No, they're telling it like it is. It's not hard to look beyond this forum and see the reality of Wii being in another market than PS3 and 360. For System War purposes, Wii is on the same level. Once you log off and join the real world club, you'll know that the market are on two different paths. Wii has the neo-casual market. PS3/360 has the HD gaming market. If you think I'm making this up, you need to log off now and go outside to your nearest Best Buy.

Are you serious? You fell for that PR talk? The wii is a console this gen just like the other two.. They are getting a good sum of people that don't normally play games, however they're still a competing console. It was the same thing with the PSone/PS2.

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

They're just saying that to save face...

OhSnapitz

Save face? No, they're telling it like it is. It's not hard to look beyond this forum and see the reality of Wii being in another market than PS3 and 360. For System War purposes, Wii is on the same level. Once you log off and join the real world club, you'll know that the market are on two different paths. Wii has the neo-casual market. PS3/360 has the HD gaming market. If you think I'm making this up, you need to log off now and go outside to your nearest Best Buy.

Are you serious? You fell for that PR talk? The wii is a console this gen just like the other two.. They are getting a good sum of people that don't normally play games, however they're still a competing console. It was the same thing with the PSone/PS2.

Seriously DragonFly you have got to be on something if you belive that spin. The fact of the matter is those are gamers buying a different game console. Its an alternate product and a direct cometitor. The "neo-casual" market as you call it bought a PS2 last gen.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]As long as the game quality stays the same they can sell less than the V-smile for all I care. Market share is their problem not mine.Riverwolf007

You = Wrong

It's both your problem and theirs if you have their game console.

If dev support is not a problem then what other reason is there for me to care about how well it sells?

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

They're just saying that to save face...

OhSnapitz

Save face? No, they're telling it like it is. It's not hard to look beyond this forum and see the reality of Wii being in another market than PS3 and 360. For System War purposes, Wii is on the same level. Once you log off and join the real world club, you'll know that the market are on two different paths. Wii has the neo-casual market. PS3/360 has the HD gaming market. If you think I'm making this up, you need to log off now and go outside to your nearest Best Buy.

Are you serious? You fell for that PR talk? The wii is a console this gen just like the other two.. They are getting a good sum of people that don't normally play games, however they're still a competing console.It was the same thing with the PSone/PS2.

I'm not denying that it is a console. It's not true to say that Wii sports is in competition with the gamer who likes Gears of War. Either that gamer will buy BOTH or just Gears of War. Sony/MS isn't losing it's consumers, they're sharing them.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]As long as the game quality stays the same they can sell less than the V-smile for all I care. Market share is their problem not mine.Firelore29

You = Wrong

It's both your problem and theirs if you have their game console.

If dev support is not a problem then what other reason is there for me to care about how well it sells?

Anyway, I remember when the 360 had an install base of 4 mill and PDZ and COD2 sold over a million copies 360 is pretty safe at this point on the losing devs front.

The beancounters in the accounting departments have more control over the multiplat decisions than the guys making the games and they know the attach rates better than we do and base the decisions from that.

That's why devs won't be abandoning the 360 anytime soon.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

They're just saying that to save face...

DragonFlyJ

Save face? No, they're telling it like it is. It's not hard to look beyond this forum and see the reality of Wii being in another market than PS3 and 360. For System War purposes, Wii is on the same level. Once you log off and join the real world club, you'll know that the market are on two different paths. Wii has the neo-casual market. PS3/360 has the HD gaming market. If you think I'm making this up, you need to log off now and go outside to your nearest Best Buy.

Are you serious? You fell for that PR talk? The wii is a console this gen just like the other two.. They are getting a good sum of people that don't normally play games, however they're still a competing console.It was the same thing with the PSone/PS2.

I'm not denying that it is a console. It's not true to say that Wii sports is in competition with the gamer who likes Gears of War. Either that gamer will buy BOTH or just Gears of War. Sony/MS isn't losing it's consumers, they're sharing them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9793586

When was Sega the market leader?whocares4peace

No Microsoft will never be a market leader..It may have a few games since it launched early but right now all their exclusive games sucks and there really isnt that many that is going come out.

Bioshock, mass effect 2, and etc goin to be on the ps3

.The ps3 still have so many exclusive coming out this year and next..Microsoft have notin to offer..

Mooooooooooo!!!

Damrightfresh

o.....k :?

What do you guys think is stopping Microsoft being successful worldwide?, I mean they are successful in America but not in Japan or Europe.

What do you guys think is stopping Microsoft being successful worldwide?, I mean they are successful in America but not in Japan or Europe.

Swift_Boss_A

What makes them so successful in America is why they're unsuccessful everywhere else. Double-edge sword.

When was Sega the market leader?whocares4peace

M$ was the market leader earlier this gen.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]When was Sega the market leader?AmyMizuno

Genesis was beating SNES for quite a while in the US.

It was one sided in Japan though (to the Super Famicom).

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Technically M$ was the market leader about a year ago... didn't last though.. :P

Anyway, NO I don't think so... why? Because of the negative Stigma that the M$ name carries... Even to this day people associate M$ with "teh EVIL"... Nintendo and Sony have built great name recognition with their products.. M$'s products always seem to boarder on controversy.

The second factor is that M$ didn't play this gen right... The price of the 360 remained at $400 for 2 full years.. Hell even now, almost 3 full years later, the 360 is $350... The Arcade unit should've been scraped by now.. with premium at $200 -250. IF M$ followed standard console practices.. The 360 has the software it just needed a consumer friendly price. NOW the PS3 is creeping up on it and the wii surpassed it. Maybe they'll be a little more wise'r next gen.

DragonFlyJ

Price isn't a factor when it's still cheaper than its real competitor. The M$ "teh Evil" is actually the stigma of M$ "teh broken". Microsoft is notoriously known for unreliability software.

not really microsoft is more known for anti trust issues then actual software problems if they we're really nortorious for having unreliable software then no one would use the product, but something around 80% of all microsoft software products are the number 1 software products in the world being used by nearly every one.

And really someone said them selves 99% of computer programs are between the keyboard and the chair and this is true, I've never had a windows OS fail on me if i ran smart computer practices, and smart surfing habits.

The under lining faults in windows OS have shrunk dramaitcally over the years, before that they were threre but they could be easily countered with smart computing and surfing habits.

P.S: japan really is not as important as it used to be, from the 15 year old recession there, too the adoption and move over to portable gaming, to the fact that the japanese are no longer into games as they used to be, to the developers being surpassed by western developers.

I'd argue that it could be the leader right now. If you were to base your idea of the 'leader' on the software attach rate, the 360 would have the title bagged. Like it or not if you want to play games, the Xbox 360 is the console your should own. It has the most, and the highest quality.PapaJohn24

opinion much ??? I aknowlege that Microsoft has the most games and highest attac rate but thats what a year lead in the market will do. Game-wise I prefer the PS3, I tend to buy 1st/2nd party titles more but do buy a few 3rd party titles, I guess it depends how you look at it but I don't consider 360 the ultimate consaole in terms of games, it's all preference at the end of the day.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

What do you guys think is stopping Microsoft being successful worldwide?, I mean they are successful in America but not in Japan or Europe.

DragonFlyJ

What makes them so successful in America is why they're unsuccessful everywhere else. Double-edge sword.

yeah but that wasn't the case with the PS2, it was successful WW so why can't MS do the same ???

[QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

What do you guys think is stopping Microsoft being successful worldwide?, I mean they are successful in America but not in Japan or Europe.

Swift_Boss_A

What makes them so successful in America is why they're unsuccessful everywhere else. Double-edge sword.

yeah but that wasn't the case with the PS2, it was successful WW so why can't MS do the same ???

sony's brand name partly the blame.

had microsoft entered the console race the same time as sony..things for them would be alot different.

Both Nintendo, Sony heck even Sega have enjoyed being the market leader at some point in games industry. When will Microsoft be the market leader ?? Not to bash Microsoft but it obviously is not going to be this gen, both Sony and Microsoft underestimated the success of the Wii and now they are suffering due to this, not a whole lot but the Wii is killing them in sales. Will Microsoft learn a lesson from the Wii and come back nect gen being more family friendly? Sony still have that family appeal with their consoles which Microsoft lacks, do you think this will change next gen ?Swift_Boss_A

Microsoft is too conservative to be market leader.

P.S: japan really is not as important as it used to be, from the 15 year old recession there, too the adoption and move over to portable gaming, to the fact that the japanese are no longer into games as they used to be, to the developers being surpassed by western developers.

WilliamRLBaker

What makes Japan important is not how much consoles they are buying in total, that number is small, heck it can be compared to smaller gaming regions like the UK. What makes Japan important is they buy a lot of one console. There's always one console that sells 20 million, and the others are left in the dust with less than 5 million. An 80/15/5 marketshare.

That is not the case in the US, where one sells 40 million and the others are around ~15-20 million. A 50/25/25 marketshare. This does not give the winning console a huge advantage in market share

I'd argue that it could be the leader right now. If you were to base your idea of the 'leader' on the software attach rate, the 360 would have the title bagged. Like it or not if you want to play games, the Xbox 360 is the console your should own. It has the most, and the highest quality.PapaJohn24

Are people still using that useless software attach rate without proper context? Why not look at total software sold then? The Wii outsold the 360 software total during their respective first 18 months on the market. The Wii has been outselling the 360 in software since December 2007. The Wii is showing that it's the market leader in both hardware and software sales right now. Please, don't use the software attach rate if you're not going to put it in proper context.

And back to the thread question, no, MS will never be the market leader unless they do something about their image with the rest of the world besides the US. If they can get Japan and Europe to adopt their next console without hesitation, then they'll have a fighting chance. Frankly, I'm predicting the Wii 2 to be the market leader next gen due to them doing well this gen.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="DragonFlyJ"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

What do you guys think is stopping Microsoft being successful worldwide?, I mean they are successful in America but not in Japan or Europe.

lawlessx

What makes them so successful in America is why they're unsuccessful everywhere else. Double-edge sword.

yeah but that wasn't the case with the PS2, it was successful WW so why can't MS do the same ???

sony's brand name partly the blame.

had microsoft entered the console race the same time as sony..things for them would be alot different.

Speculations. They're wrong until proving right. In your case, your wrong.