Do you think Braid should have a higher score than LBP, Far Cry, and Fallout?

As a PS3 fanboy, I will be the first to admit that I do not own a 360 and therefore do not play 360 games. That being said, I have to question Braid's gamespot review score of 9.5. For a long time it has bugged me and now that LBP is out it bugs me much more. I have been playing LittleBigPlanet quite a bit the past few days and I do not understand how it could be rated lower than Braid. Here's my thoughts:

In the LittleBigPlanet review, these were the complaints by the reviewer:

Short story mode

Camera struggles in multiplayer

Building a compelling level can be time-consuming.

The problem with issue #1, the short story mode, is that LBP can be completed in the same amount of time than Braid's can be finished, roughly 6 hours. Now, the 6 hours for both games is if you don't go back and complete everything in the levels, however LBP has two big advantages. Firstly, LBP supports up to 4 players both online and offline whereas Braid supports just 1 player. This means that LBP is a much more social friendly game, and I have to admit playing with at least 2 players is an absolute blast, especially with friends over the net. Secondly, you can create every level you play in LBP OR create entirely unique levels and share these over the internet, meaning the game could last as long as you want it to both with your creations and someone else's.

Issue #2 is somewhat true, however, I never felt that the camera in multiplayer actually ruined any gameplay experiences. Then again I've only played with 2 players and not 4, but what side scrolling game wouldn't struggle with 4 players scrambling across the level? In fact, why is gamespot not prasing LBP for offering a solid multiplayer experience? As for Issue #3, this is also only somewhat true. First off, LBP offers map templates which are partially completed levels so if you wish you can just add things onto a pre-built area and call it yours. Secondly, if you want to start from scratch, sure it will be time-consuming but why wouldn't "building a compelling level" be time consuming? I've never created a good level in ANY game that took a short amount of time. Now braid costs only $15 vs. LBP's $60, but technically LBP is going to give you more for your money.

Another disturbing thing to look at would be the average critic score of both games. Braid was rated a 9.5 here, .3 points higher than the average review score. This means that out of 49 reviews for Braid, only 11 (or 22%) scored higher than GS's score. The story is dramatically different with LBP. GS gave LBP a 9.0, .5 points lower than the average score. Out of 30 reviews, Gamespot tied 5 other critic for the lowest score of a 9.0. Not that I am complaining since a 9 is AAA, but this is the trend with many PS3 games (e.g. Uncharted or PixelJunk Monsters). Lastly, even though Braid scored a 9.5, the average user rating for Braid is 8.3. LBP, on the other hand, has an average user rating of 9.4 AND since it recieved much more hype is more susceptible to skewed review scores by voters that did not play that game. By the way, these average user scores are closer to the scores posted at IGN for both games than what is posted here at GS.

So what's my point? I argue that Gamespot has a slight bias and that it is more difficult for PS3 games to recieve high review scores here than at the majority of other websites, putting "cows" like me at a clear disadvantage here in SW.

So here's my question, do you think Braid deserved a score that is higher than not only LittleBigPlanet but also Fallout 3, Dead Space, Call of Duty 4, Burnout Paradise, Assassins Creed, Bioshock, Far Cry 2, Fable II, and Mass Effect?

Also, do you think my assessment of GS's possible bias is fair or I am just going crazy from system wars?

it's an XBLA game, it's not to be compared on the same level.

that being said, Braid is an extremely overrated game. It's okay, but N+ is better, so is castle crashers, and quite a few other arcade games.

braid isn't really that good. its okay, but not something to cry about if you dont play

Braid is a 9.5 arcade game, its a great ARCADE game, it deserves its 9.5

Arcade/PSN title =/= to a full retail title.

Arcade/PSN titles are purposefully smaller, more condensed expriences, and the cost and scores are both take that into consideration.

Braid is no where near the quality of Gears of War 2, LittleBigPlanet or any other 8+ retail title.

Definately not LBP but the new ginger guy reviewed it and he doesn't know how to review games

they should make him a news editor or something, worst reviewer on the site

Are u kidding me its not even being compared the same way

Braid isn't being compared with an LBP....as a 60 dollar game Braid would get what a 5 or 6...7 at best.jg4xchamp

It could compete with socom lol, couldnt help it haha

This is ridiculous. Why dont you just go out and enjoy your LBP instead of always thinking about petty scores?

Braid is a terrific game from what I heard, and when you take into consideration the aspects of what goes into a review, you would understand that.

Not all games have to be 60 dollar games that have crisp graphics. Games are allowed to be simple and have deep value in other ways as well. In fact, LBP is a great example of a game that people dont think deserves a 9.0 score because of it being 2d, but we all know that when taking into consideration certain standards, LBP (and Braid for this matter) deserve the score they get.

And yet, the score given by GS is still just other peoples opinions.

your first problem was defending LBP's nonexistent story, lal. 2nd problem was thinking a single player game isnt deserving of a high score because its single player only. :roll:hopesfall2own

Erm I never defended LBP's story because it's not really engaging or strong. Secondly, I didn't say that Braid shouldn't get a high score because it's single player, rather LBP's superb multiplayer should have been rewarded more.

Hmm... Mr. Bear says continue thinking about it more so that it irritates to you a point where all reality suddenly becomes warp and twisted and your feelings get crushed by the foot of my Penny.

Sadly one doesn't realize that one game is a full retail game while the otehr is a downloadable game sold at 1/4 the price the other is... Oh man, what a crazy thought, no?

This is ridiculous. Why dont you just go out and enjoy your LBP instead of always thinking about petty scores?

Braid is a terrific game from what I heard, and when you take into consideration the aspects of what goes into a review, you would understand that.

Not all games have to be 60 dollar games that have crisp graphics. Games are allowed to be simple and have deep value in other ways as well. In fact, LBP is a great example of a game that people dont think deserves a 9.0 score because of it being 2d, but we all know that when taking into consideration certain standards, LBP (and Braid for this matter) deserve the score they get.

And yet, the score given by GS is still just other peoples opinions.

Alpha-Male22

I am enjoying LBP, this is not a subject i'm losing sleep over haha. This is just merely a question I wanted to ask the citizens of SW. I agree with what you say too about the pricing. I have played more PixelJunk Monsters (a $10 PSN game) more than any of my $60 PS3 games. Lastly, LBP is technically 3D.

Hmm... Mr. Bear says continue thinking about it more so that it irritates to you a point where all reality suddenly becomes warp and twisted and your feelings get crushed by the foot of my Penny.

Sadly one doesn't realize that one game is a full retail game while the otehr is a downloadable game sold at 1/4 the price the other is... Oh man, what a crazy thought, no?

yoshi_64

That was taken into consideration, if you read my entire post you would know that.

Your comparing an arcade game score to retail game scores..Dr_Snood

So? I could be wrong but don't these Arcade games get included in the list of A, AA, AAA, and AAAA games?

I was totally going to answer this with a real response until I saw Ron Paul and my instincts got the better of me.BobHipJames

Haha that's kind of a joke. I mean, i'm sure everyone remembers his rediculous fanbase spamming polls.

If Portal could get the score it got and be a "full game", then Braid deserves it's score.

Your comparing an arcade game score to retail game scores..Dr_Snood

I know I am...is that a bad thing? I mean, no PSN games have recieved high scores. Besides, I think Braid gets included in the "# of A's" list no?

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]Your comparing an arcade game score to retail game scores..Jrfanfreak88

I know I am...is that a bad thing? I mean, no PSN games have recieved high scores. Besides, I think Braid gets included in the "# of A's" list no?

Reviewers don't use a teir system to grade budget or arcade games.

Portal was only twenty dollars, a straight up budget game from an IP absorbed into Valve and released on Steam or as an extra in the Orange Box.

It was a GOTY for a lot of people and got honorable mentions everywhere.

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]Your comparing an arcade game score to retail game scores..Jrfanfreak88

I know I am...is that a bad thing? I mean, no PSN games have recieved high scores. Besides, I think Braid gets included in the "# of A's" list no?

It got that score being of it standards in reviewing in that particular catagory. Its a great arcade game.

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]Your comparing an arcade game score to retail game scores..ArisShadows

I know I am...is that a bad thing? I mean, no PSN games have recieved high scores. Besides, I think Braid gets included in the "# of A's" list no?

It got that score being of it standards in reviewing in that particular catagory. Its a great arcade game.

I should note that Braid is actually not in GS's A's list.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

Hmm... Mr. Bear says continue thinking about it more so that it irritates to you a point where all reality suddenly becomes warp and twisted and your feelings get crushed by the foot of my Penny.

Sadly one doesn't realize that one game is a full retail game while the otehr is a downloadable game sold at 1/4 the price the other is... Oh man, what a crazy thought, no?

Jrfanfreak88

That was taken into consideration, if you read my entire post you would know that.

Its an ARCADE game.Do you not notice the ARCADE part?It should in no way be scored or compared to a regular game as it has much different standards then a retail game.

PS:Braid deserved its score.

it's an XBLA game, it's not to be compared on the same level.JackDaniels121

The game costs 6 times less than LBP, FC and FO3, taking this into consideration (as well as fact that Braid has a lot better gameplay than any of those) I think it more than makes up for lower production values, so yeah it deserved to be scored higherAdrianWerner

The gameplay is no where is deep as any of the afformentioned games. It deserves a 9.5 as an arcade game but not as a full game. Plus it's shorter.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]The game costs 6 times less than LBP, FC and FO3, taking this into consideration (as well as fact that Braid has a lot better gameplay than any of those) I think it more than makes up for lower production values, so yeah it deserved to be scored highermunu9

The gameplay is no where is deep as any of the afformentioned games. It deserves a 9.5 as an arcade game but not as a full game. Plus it's shorter.

Its an ARCADE game.Do you not notice the ARCADE part?It should in no way be scored or compared to a regular game as it has much different standards then a retail game.

PS:Braid deserved its score.

chaosX303

Which I understand, but if this is the case why are the PSN games getting low scores? I mean if we are going to have two sets of review standards I could name at least 3 or 4 PSN games that should have 9's or higher.

[QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]it's an XBLA game, it's not to be compared on the same level.foxhound_fox

Forgive me for being off topic but what show does your avatar come from? I remember watching that show everyday when I was younger but can't remember the darn name.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="JackDaniels121"]it's an XBLA game, it's not to be compared on the same level.Jrfanfreak88

Forgive me for being off topic but what show does your avatar come from? I remember watching that show everyday when I was younger but can't remember the darn name.

reboot, i believe, i use to watch toonami too (back when when it was...good actually)

Forgive me for being off topic but what show does your avatar come from? I remember watching that show everyday when I was younger but can't remember the darn name. Jrfanfreak88

[QUOTE="chaosX303"]

Its an ARCADE game.Do you not notice the ARCADE part?It should in no way be scored or compared to a regular game as it has much different standards then a retail game.

PS:Braid deserved its score.

Jrfanfreak88

Which I understand, but if this is the case why are the PSN games getting low scores? I mean if we are going to have two sets of review standards I could name at least 3 or 4 PSN games that should have 9's or higher.

Then name them. There are reasons why I pay for XBL, and one is because their arcade products are of better quality.

[QUOTE="chaosX303"]

Its an ARCADE game.Do you not notice the ARCADE part?It should in no way be scored or compared to a regular game as it has much different standards then a retail game.

PS:Braid deserved its score.

Jrfanfreak88

Which I understand, but if this is the case why are the PSN games getting low scores? I mean if we are going to have two sets of review standards I could name at least 3 or 4 PSN games that should have 9's or higher.

I have only played the trial but it blew me away, that game is genius. Braid deserved a 9.5 IMOleperphiliac

the moment i finished the demo, i bought the game, i think the music on the first level really brings you into the game. and draws you into the story.

it's an XBLA game, it's not to be compared on the same level.

that being said, Braid is an extremely overrated game. It's okay, but N+ is better, so is castle crashers, and quite a few other arcade games.

braid isn't really that good. its okay, but not something to cry about if you dont play

JackDaniels121

they absolutely are to be compared on the same level, sorry mate. braid is a very vaild AAAE, just because it doesn't appeal to you or anyone else doesn't make it not so :P

That 9.5 is one of the best experience i had in my LIFETIME.insanejedi

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="chaosX303"]

Its an ARCADE game.Do you not notice the ARCADE part?It should in no way be scored or compared to a regular game as it has much different standards then a retail game.

PS:Braid deserved its score.

AdmiralDan

Which I understand, but if this is the case why are the PSN games getting low scores? I mean if we are going to have two sets of review standards I could name at least 3 or 4 PSN games that should have 9's or higher.

Then name them. There are reasons why I pay for XBL, and one is because their arcade products are of better quality.

I have a 360, I just don't have gold and have never really used it's features.