Do you think Sony can even BELIEVE how badly Nintendo turned the tables on them?

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.  

bumpjedigemini

It's like the toughest kid at school picked a fight with some nerd and got his face pounded into the ground. jedigemini

psp sales arent bad...

its just that DS sales pwn. 

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.  

jedigemini

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

jedigemini

i'll remember this thread when PS3 passes Wii. Besides it's only been 5 months. and Sony still owns the world with the PS2 right now. But i guess you forgot about that.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]bumpbeldugo

PSP is not doing fine. Hardware sales mean nothing when software is not selling at all. You know there's a problem when Hannah Montana for the DS is outselling the PSP's entire software lineup. 

Well they should have foreseen the possibility of Ninty turning it around on them...given the fact that they did the very same thing to Nintendo with the PS1...

And the fact that console dominance only seems to last for two generations before the competition catches up...

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

bustos86

i'll remember this thread when PS3 passes Wii. Besides it's only been 5 months. and Sony still owns the world with the PS2 right now. But i guess you forgot about that.

The only thing nintendo has done for gamers this gen is make there console cheap as chips... despite the crappy games, people buy it because there air heads, and they know a good bargain when they see one.. not that wii is worth the price.. more around the $150 area or the same price as a PS2.  WE can only hope it will die down once all the uber fun games start coming to ps3 and xbox 360.Dahaka-UK

Well they should have foreseen the possibility of Ninty turning it around on them...given the fact that they did the very same thing to Nintendo with the PS1...

And the fact that console dominance only seems to last for two generations before the competition catches up...

wavedash101

Or if they decide to slightly upgrade their current console and come in at a cheaper price.:|

[QUOTE="wavedash101"]

Well they should have foreseen the possibility of Ninty turning it around on them...given the fact that they did the very same thing to Nintendo with the PS1...

And the fact that console dominance only seems to last for two generations before the competition catches up...

bustos86

Or if they decide to slightly upgrade their current console and come in at a cheaper price.:|

And this changes what...I dont see how that is relevant to PS3's own follies that havent helped them at all...

Maybe that means Nintedo made the smart move :|

They can't even believe that Nintendo is beating them in a 5 to 1 ratio (or something close to that). They think that the reason PS3's are stockpiled in malls is because they've done such a great job refilling the shelves after all of their loyal fanboys waited in line and bought them.Video_Game_King

The PSP has sold 21 million.  That isn't bad.OceanLeet

[QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="wavedash101"]

Well they should have foreseen the possibility of Ninty turning it around on them...given the fact that they did the very same thing to Nintendo with the PS1...

And the fact that console dominance only seems to last for two generations before the competition catches up...

wavedash101

Or if they decide to slightly upgrade their current console and come in at a cheaper price.:|

And this changes what...I dont see how that is relevant to PS3's own follies that havent helped them at all...

Maybe that means Nintedo made the smart move :|

Only time will tell. Nintendo didn't catch up, they went with a cheaper offering and are hoping to get ppl who haven't played games b4. MS is doing a better job at catching up right now.

$250>$400>$600 thats a fact. If Wii was priced at $400 it wouldn't be selling as much. People see thats it is cheaper and buy it. demon565

OMG Nintendo pricing strategy FTW.

Maybe, just maybe they are winning because they have a better business strategy?

[QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

jedigemini

i'll remember this thread when PS3 passes Wii. Besides it's only been 5 months. and Sony still owns the world with the PS2 right now. But i guess you forgot about that.

and a cheap $250 console blinds you from the truth, that you just bought a controller add-on for the gamecube.

$250>$400>$600 thats a fact. If Wii was priced at $400 it wouldn't be selling as much. People see thats it is cheaper and buy it. demon565

1. The GC was the cheapest and sold the least.

2. When each of the combatants entered this console war, they did so with different strategies:

- Sonys was to lure consumers with great graphics, online, blu-ray and their big franchises (although coming in at a higher pricepoint and taking a loss on the hardware)

-MS's was to lure consumers with great graphics, online and their big franchises (although taking a loss on the hardware and coming in at a mid-high-price)

-Nintendo came in with pick-up and play cheap console, with lesser graphics (and actually make money on the hardware)

Each of the different strategies is intended to pull in the most consumers:

Sony figured great graphics and blu-ray would be greater incentives than their price point would be a detterent -- and Nintendo figured a cheap pricepoint and more accessable console would make up for lesser graphics

Nintendo's strategy has been better thus far.

the end.

[QUOTE="demon565"]$250>$400>$600 thats a fact. If Wii was priced at $400 it wouldn't be selling as much. People see thats it is cheaper and buy it. jedigemini

1. The GC was the cheapest and sold the least.

2. When each of the combatants entered this console war, they did so with different strategies:

- Sonys was to lure consumers with great graphics, online, blu-ray and their big franchises (although coming in at a higher pricepoint and taking a loss on the hardware)

-MS's was to lure consumers with great graphics, online and their big franchises (although taking a loss on the hardware and coming in at a mid-high-price)

-Nintendo came in with pick-up and play cheap console, with lesser graphics (and actually make money on the hardware)

Each of the different strategies is intended to pull in the most consumers:

Sony figured great graphics and blu-ray would be greater incentives than their price point would be a detterent -- and Nintendo figured a cheap pricepoint and more accessable console would make up for lesser graphics

Nintendo's strategy has been better thus far.

the end.

 the game cube was $100 cheaper, the Wii is $350 cheaper. which is why it has sold better in the beginning of it's launch.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

[QUOTE="demon565"]$250>$400>$600 thats a fact. If Wii was priced at $400 it wouldn't be selling as much. People see thats it is cheaper and buy it. bustos86

1. The GC was the cheapest and sold the least.

2. When each of the combatants entered this console war, they did so with different strategies:

- Sonys was to lure consumers with great graphics, online, blu-ray and their big franchises (although coming in at a higher pricepoint and taking a loss on the hardware)

-MS's was to lure consumers with great graphics, online and their big franchises (although taking a loss on the hardware and coming in at a mid-high-price)

-Nintendo came in with pick-up and play cheap console, with lesser graphics (and actually make money on the hardware)

Each of the different strategies is intended to pull in the most consumers:

Sony figured great graphics and blu-ray would be greater incentives than their price point would be a detterent -- and Nintendo figured a cheap pricepoint and more accessable console would make up for lesser graphics

Nintendo's strategy has been better thus far.

the end.

the game cube was $100 cheaper, the Wii is $350 cheaper. which is why it has sold better in the beginning of it's launch.

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important.  The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum.  Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]bumpRedmoonxl2

PSP is not doing fine. Hardware sales mean nothing when software is not selling at all. You know there's a problem when Hannah Montana for the DS is outselling the PSP's entire software lineup. 

considering that little girls are buying ds now im not surprised. this is just further proof that all developers need to do is release some crappy girl game. why should they bother with real games when they can just make a ton of money with those types of games?

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important. The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum. Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

bustos86

Yeah, whatever. I can't discuss this topic with you, your'e to stupid.:|

No, you can't discuss this topic with me because you don't have an argument.  That's why you called me stupid.

[QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important. The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum. Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

Iyethar

Yeah, whatever. I can't discuss this topic with you, your'e to stupid.:|

No, you can't discuss this topic with me because you don't have an argument. That's why you called me stupid.

well than what is the point of your argument? Is the WII selling because it is a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360? or is it selling better because it is only $250?

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important. The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum. Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

bustos86

Yeah, whatever. I can't discuss this topic with you, your'e to stupid.:|

No, you can't discuss this topic with me because you don't have an argument. That's why you called me stupid.

well than what is the point of your argument? Is the WII selling because it is a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360? or is it selling better because it is only $250?

The point is that being $250 is part of what makes it a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360 in the eyes of the millions who are buying them as fast as Nintendo is shipping them in every major sales region.  So is the motion control.  So are a few other things.

People who are predicting Wii performance using GameCube as a model need to seriously re-examine the situation.  Go look at sales histories and see if you can't find a model that fits Wii's performance a whole lot better.  There isn't going to be a wave of third party abandonment three years in, because it's not going to have a small userbase like GameCube did!

For crying out loud, it could seriously pass lifetime GCN sales in Japan this year.  If it doesn't it'll be damn close.  Doesn't that tell you something? 

behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating .

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

jedigemini

[QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important. The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum. Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

Iyethar

Yeah, whatever. I can't discuss this topic with you, your'e to stupid.:|

No, you can't discuss this topic with me because you don't have an argument. That's why you called me stupid.

well than what is the point of your argument? Is the WII selling because it is a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360? or is it selling better because it is only $250?

The point is that being $250 is part of what makes it a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360 in the eyes of the millions who are buying them as fast as Nintendo is shipping them in every major sales region. So is the motion control. So are a few other things.

People who are predicting Wii performance using GameCube as a model need to seriously re-examine the situation. Go look at sales histories and see if you can't find a model that fits Wii's performance a whole lot better. There isn't going to be a wave of third party abandonment three years in, because it's not going to have a small userbase like GameCube did!

For crying out loud, it could seriously pass lifetime GCN sales in Japan this year. If it doesn't it'll be damn close. Doesn't that tell you something?

so I can go buy Trojan condoms for 5 bucks a pack, or some cheap condoms from the restroom dispenser for 25 cents. Which one is better? Just because it is cheaper doesn't make it better. Motion control has't been proven yet to be truly great yet, and what does the Wii do better than the PS3 or Xbox 360?

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

jedigemini

in a perfect world there would be a website dedicated to this godly post called www.truth.com, and on that website there would be nothing but the powerful words quoted above for all the world to see

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

jedigemini

How bout when the SNES sold 50 million and in the next generation the PS1 out sold N64 by almost 70 million consoles.

That's turning the tables on your opponent. ;)

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.  

jedigemini

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="Iyethar"]

That is correct!

Also, these initial sales are the most important. The Wii's strong sales now are a good indicator that it will gain momentum. Good initial sales usually lead to even better sales over the long term.

And that's why Nintendo's strategy is better than Sony's.

bustos86

Yeah, whatever. I can't discuss this topic with you, your'e to stupid.:|

No, you can't discuss this topic with me because you don't have an argument. That's why you called me stupid.

well than what is the point of your argument? Is the WII selling because it is a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360? or is it selling better because it is only $250?

The point is that being $250 is part of what makes it a better console than the PS3 and Xbox 360 in the eyes of the millions who are buying them as fast as Nintendo is shipping them in every major sales region. So is the motion control. So are a few other things.

People who are predicting Wii performance using GameCube as a model need to seriously re-examine the situation. Go look at sales histories and see if you can't find a model that fits Wii's performance a whole lot better. There isn't going to be a wave of third party abandonment three years in, because it's not going to have a small userbase like GameCube did!

For crying out loud, it could seriously pass lifetime GCN sales in Japan this year. If it doesn't it'll be damn close. Doesn't that tell you something?

so I can go buy Trojan condoms for 5 bucks a pack, or some cheap condoms from the restroom dispenser for 25 cents. Which one is better? Just because it is cheaper doesn't make it better. Motion control has't been proven yet to be truly great yet, and what does the Wii do better than the PS3 or Xbox 360?

That is not the topic under discussion.  What the Wii will do better than PS3 and Xbox 360 is sell.  And by the end of the generation, it will be unthinkable not to own one because of the software support that associates with that success.

Your condom analogy is *ahem* broken.  You don't cheap out on buying condoms because you don't want any chance that the product will fail.  It's not as if you can condom-warranty a pregnancy.  The Wii will unquestionably play all Wii games, all GameCube games, and all VCS titles.  If it doesn't, you can get it replaced with one that does.

It's like the toughest kid at school picked a fight with some nerd and got his face pounded into the ground. jedigemini

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

A couple years back Sony owned the world with PS2 and everybopdy expected the PSP to steal away Nintendo's handheld crown as well. but low and behold, the DS pulled a startling coup and ruthlessly beat the PSP into the ground handing Sony a rather embarassing beating (but not that shocking because it was handhelds), and now even more amazingly Nintendo is doing the exact same thing with the Wii. It's almost incomprehsible.

I dont think anybodies ever had the tables turned on them to this extent.

bustos86

How bout when the SNES sold 50 million and in the next generation the PS1 out sold N64 by almost 70 million consoles.

That's turning the tables on your opponent. ;)

Sony is still in denial about it.Tulak_Hord

The only thing nintendo has done for gamers this gen is make there console cheap as chips... despite the crappy games, people buy it because there air heads, and they know a good bargain when they see one.. not that wii is worth the price.. more around the $150 area or the same price as a PS2.  WE can only hope it will die down once all the uber fun games start coming to ps3 and xbox 360.Dahaka-UK