Do you think the big games of this gen will head to the Wii?

As you all know, thus far, Wii is very clearly in the lead, and set to win this generation in terms of sales.

But what about the games? Devs go where the money is right? Even though Wii's been selling like crazy, it still hasn't gotten any of the big 3rd party games of this gen, and by that I mean games like this:

Grand Theft Auto IV

Call of Duty IV

Assassin's Creed

All 3 selling millions on their respective systems. And of course other games like DMCIV, GRAW, Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Orange Box, Burnout: Paradise etc and wherever you look, the big up-and-comers (atm) are PS3/360 like RE5, Soul Calibur 3, Far Cry 2, Top Spin 3, Unreal Tournament 3, Street Fighter IV, Red Faction 3, etc.

What happens if PS3/360 never really take off, while Wii continues to sell at its current rate? Is it likely the big games of this gen will head to the Wii? And by that I meant the next entry in a Final Fantasy game, or a Grand Theft Auto game etc. Maybe an exclusive like Kingdom Hearts 3?

What would the reaction from the gaming community be? What would your reaction be? What do you guys think?

OK, I'm gonna edit the OP. I meant the big games in that series, ie. the next Grand Theft Auto, and the next AC.

And also the possibility of a full on Wii-exclusive, like Kingdom Hearts 3.

OK, I'm gonna edit the OP. I meant the big games in that series, ie. the next Grand Theft Auto, and the next AC.

And also the possibility of a full on Wii-exclusive, like Kingdom Hearts 3.

the-very-best

Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. jg4xchamp

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

Since its really late and Im pretty tired Ill give you a short and simple answer...

no. Dont worry though Ill make sure to edit a full post tomorrow.

Edit: So will the Wii get some of the big multiplat titles seen on the PS3/360? Im not really sure, maybe? I honestly think things will continue to be the same its just these consoles are so different from eachother and what works for one console might not necessarily work for another. If GTA4 came out for the Wii would it still have that "wow" factor without the improved animations and physics and the overall graphical leap from last gen GTA's?

Depends with the game. Depends if the series will take a step forward with the wiimote or more hardware power. It's kinda obvious that most devs will choose hardware power because their series weren't made in mind with the wiimote anyway. If they can make happen for the better with it then ok, that's cool. But personnally, I rather them make new IP exclusives that will use the wiimote potential, built with the wiimote in mind from the start which is one of the reasons I bought a Wii for.m_machine024

That hasn't really happened in great amounts. It's all about less risk-taking this gen.

Depends with the game. Depends if the series will take a step forward with the wiimote or more hardware power. It's kinda obvious that most devs will choose hardware power because their series weren't made in mind with the wiimote anyway. If they can make happen for the better with it then ok, that's cool. But personnally, I rather them make new IP exclusives that will use the wiimote potential, built with the wiimote in mind from the start which is one of the reasons I bought a Wii for.m_machine024

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. the-very-best

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]Depends with the game. Depends if the series will take a step forward with the wiimote or more hardware power. It's kinda obvious that most devs will choose hardware power because their series weren't made in mind with the wiimote anyway. If they can make happen for the better with it then ok, that's cool. But personnally, I rather them make new IP exclusives that will use the wiimote potential, built with the wiimote in mind from the start which is one of the reasons I bought a Wii for.the-very-best

That hasn't really happened in great amounts. It's all about less risk-taking this gen.

Grand Theft Auto IV doesn't need to go to Wii. I mean, for what reason? It's not needed. However, it would have been if they needed the cash, but they don't - Grand Theft Auto IV is breaking records (no, I don't think that Wii Fit stands a chance).

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]Depends with the game. Depends if the series will take a step forward with the wiimote or more hardware power. It's kinda obvious that most devs will choose hardware power because their series weren't made in mind with the wiimote anyway. If they can make happen for the better with it then ok, that's cool. But personnally, I rather them make new IP exclusives that will use the wiimote potential, built with the wiimote in mind from the start which is one of the reasons I bought a Wii for.jg4xchamp

GTA: San Andreas Stories would be nice :)

Kingdom Hearts 3, dragon quest X.....

Call of Duty 5 will probably be on Wii.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. jg4xchamp

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

No.

TP is on it's way to 5 million and is only behind Ocarina of Time and the original game in sales (Wii version alone)

All of Nintendo's franchises have done very well on Wii.

Galaxy has already passed Sunshine (and still going strong), MP8 is the best selling Mario Party ever, SPM is the best selling Paper Mario ever, WW:SM is the best selling wario game ever and MP3 has outsold Echoes (and on it's way to passing Super Metroid)

Not to mention Mario Kart Wii, WiiFit and SSBB, which are likely the fastest selling Nintendo games in history.

3rd party games may be struggling on the Wii but Nintendo's own first party titles are not.

I can't see very many high budget rated M projects on the Wii in place of putting them on the PS3/360 ...... demographics and to them , the ps360 has already taken off.

Though I have a feeling that the next Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts will go to the Wii because it makes more sense demopraphic wise (along with the art style and lower costs of production and DQ only does well in Japan). I really can't think of anything else that is of high quality. Maybe there will be another proper Resident Evil game after RE5 on the Wii , who knows ? Final Fantasy XIV perhaps on the Wii 2 affter they milk XIII al over the place ?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. EliteKitteh

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

No.

TP is on it's way to 5 million and is only behind Ocarina of Time and the original game in sales (Wii version alone)

All of Nintendo's franchises have done very well on Wii.

Galaxy has already passed Sunshine (and still going strong), MP8 is the best selling Mario Party ever, SPM is the best selling Paper Mario ever, WW:SM is the best selling wario game ever and MP3 has outsold Echoes (and on it's way to passing Super Metroid)

Not to mention Mario Kart Wii, WiiFit and SSBB, which are likely the fastest selling Nintendo games in history.

3rd party games may be struggling on the Wii but Nintendo's own first party titles are not.

Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. jg4xchamp

maybe last year. Most of this year Wii has had the biggest software sales each month

TC: those games you showed were made with 360 and PS3 in mind. I believe AC was shown before PS3 was launched. If Ubi knew wii would sell like this, they would have made a Wii version.

Same with the other games. They were started before wii was released all thinking wii would be another lamecube.

I think Eastern developers will be the first to move their big game on to the Wii especially considering the high sales for both hard-ware and software. As for the Western developers well... you can't help but be realistic. Epic will NEVER develop a game for Wii.Popadophalis

more accurately they wouldnt know how to make one for Wii, at least in the same capacity that they make PS3, PC, and 360 games.

They push their games in tech while relying on a recurring game design that does not change much. Look at Unreal Tournament and probabaly GeoW2. Wii has to be developed with the mind set of making the gameplay stand out (SMG).

Those games you listed wont be coming to the Wii. Yes, the Wii IS going to get Star Wars:TFU, however, if you look at the game, it looks like a completely different game then the ones coming to the 360/PS3. It wont have the physics engine or anything else that will be on the 360/PS3, so to me that implies it cant handle something like that, nor is it meant to. So, the same would apply to GTA IV and other games of that nature, imo.

I'm not putting down the Wii, I'm just saying I dont think the console is built with games like this in mind. To me, the 360 and the PS3 are one type of console, the Wii is another.

probably not.... i think 3rd party support is going to be more experimental and underdog based. as we have seen, trying to crowbar traditional control schemes and traditional game design thinking onto wii very rarely works...so devs need to go back to the drawing board.

if it gets big games from 3rd parties...itll be new types of big games....not the ones we would traditionally condiser a big game. itll be games that get us excited because there different and we either havent seen the idea before...or we havent seen the idea in a very very long time.

EG if they made a freespace 3 for the wii...or a new freelancer or a homeworld 3 or a new monkey island from lucas arts (games that would probably be easier to make on wii from a design point of view)..those would be the wiis big 3rd party games. something like zack and wiki would also be a big 3rd party game on the wii.

also for 3rd parties to really consider moving the traditional big hitters to the wii, it would need to sell far closer to the 360/PS3 and PC combined so that it would be considered idiotic of them to ignore the wii. at the mo its still a viable business option to ignore it since ure getting to more ppl with the other 3 combined. since porting games from one platform to the other is relatively straight foreward...the extra costs for multiplat are much lower. however if they built for wii (ie wii as lead platform) and tried to upscale...it would cost a fortune (and quite a bit of the gameplay would need to be messed around with since it was origonally designed for the wiimote).

it may start poaching big games from other platforms that used to have it exclusively mind (eg monster hunter now on wii....very big deal in japan). i dont see that happenig alot though.

probably not.... i think 3rd party support is going to be more experimental and underdog based. as we have seen, trying to crowbar traditional control schemes and traditional game design thinking onto wii very rarely works...so devs need to go back to the drawing board.

if it gets big games from 3rd parties...itll be new types of big games....not the ones we would traditionally condiser a big game. itll be games that get us excited because there different and we either havent seen the idea before...or we havent seen the idea in a very very long time.

EG if they made a freespace 3 for the wii...or a new freelancer or a homeworld 3 or a new monkey island from lucas arts (games that would probably be easier to make on wii from a design point of view)..those would be the wiis big 3rd party games. something like zack and wiki would also be a big 3rd party game on the wii.

also for 3rd parties to really consider moving the traditional big hitters to the wii, it would need to sell far closer to the 360/PS3 and PC combined so that it would be considered idiotic of them to ignore the wii. at the mo its still a viable business option to ignore it since ure getting to more ppl with the other 3 combined. since porting games from one platform to the other is relatively straight foreward...the extra costs for multiplat are much lower. however if they built for wii (ie wii as lead platform) and tried to upscale...it would cost a fortune (and quite a bit of the gameplay would need to be messed around with since it was origonally designed for the wiimote).

it may start poaching big games from other platforms that used to have it exclusively mind (eg monster hunter now on wii....very big deal in japan). i dont see that happenig alot though.

osan0

the original comcept rarely works on wiis control scheme because its executed by another team different from the one that made the game in the first place. And that team is almost always a C team. RE4 worked good and thats pretty good proof. You cant base it on where they have failed because those were half assed attempts.

i woulkd dout it, some big console games are going to go to Wii, but as is assassins creed and GTA, the Wii is simply not powerful enough to pull off most devs ideas, dreams or even ports without substantualy downgrading the gamedarkspineslayer

if this was really a big factor then devs wouldn't have made the ps2 their primary platform last gen.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]i woulkd dout it, some big console games are going to go to Wii, but as is assassins creed and GTA, the Wii is simply not powerful enough to pull off most devs ideas, dreams or even ports without substantualy downgrading the gameOntain

if this was really a big factor then devs wouldn't have made the ps2 their primary platform last gen.

The difference between a PS2 and an XBox or Gamecube wasn't as big as between Wii and 360/PS3, also the PS2 prety much picked the ball up and ran with the success of the PS1 and had all the major devs on board from the start, noone really expected the Wii to do what it has done (not even Nintendo) and as such most of the devs were onboard with the PS3 and 360 from the start. Switching to the frontrunner is a little different than switching away from it.

GTA: San Andreas Stories would be nice :)

Kingdom Hearts 3, dragon quest X.....

Call of Duty 5 will probably be on Wii.

EliteKitteh

And a GTA SA Stories would be awesome, if they put in free aiming, no lock on. controls like The Godfather would make it good. But they would have to enhance it like visuals and physics.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. jg4xchamp

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

Well according to my figures, TP was only outsold by Ocarin, the other two were like 1 million less. MP sold 2 million and MP3 sold 1.3 million so it's not really a massive difference. Galaxy has sold 6 million, compared to DD's 5 million, and Melee has 7 million whilst Wii sports and Wii play have 20 million and 11 million respectively.

I agree about the West not giving it a chance but thats their problem, it just shows their weaknesses, that they are not very creative at all, they'd rather make a game catering just to America and Europe than one that caters to the whole world like Japanese developers do.

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

the-very-best

Always subtle but a troll none the less.

Wii doesn't need those games and you know it.

Will Mario Galaxy go to PS3 and if not will the PS3 lose out?

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not gonna happen.

The software sales are on the 360......which is just too expensive to make a console game on alone so it will be multiplat to PC.

SO while they are at it why not make it for PC.

360/PS3/PC will continue to get the big game multiplats of this gen.

Wii will continue to be the console living on its exclusives. jg4xchamp

Yeah, that's really weird. I think it would be a first in the industry right? Where the top selling console also has the least amount of top games...

I do think Wii's gonna get some big exclusives though. I think KH3 might go on the Wii, and there's a possibility of FF (and by that, I mean the main FF) going to Wii.

Still, the console does have high software sales for many games. There really is a lack of any good 3rd party games though so I don't get why 3rd parties think they just can't succeed on the console.

learn to lie better.

zelda wii is the 2nd best selling in the series. It has sold 4.8 million on wii and its still selling and it sold 1.3 million on gc.

SMG has outsold sunshine in japan, it has also outsold it worldwide and is near to outselling halo 3, and remember, nintendo games never fall of the chart.

Metroid is a declining series, check the 1.2 million sales drop between the 1st prime and the 2nd.

MK wii is already past 3.5 million, and has only just released in the us.

Brawl has sold 5 million and counting and still isn't released in europe.

now let me pull out the real facts:

Wii is the only console to have a million seller in japan
wii has the best selling 3rd party title in japan and its only a spin-off (cheaper dev costs plus more sale = smarter)
GH3 on wii is outselling all versions
RE4 wii edition has outsold the GC one and has quintupled capcom's sales estimates
NO nintendo franchise has sold less this gen than their last gen counterparts except for MP3.
the wii has 12 3rd party million sellers, the ps3 only has 13 million sellers. You do the maths.
Tiger woods is best selling on wii
Sonic on wii outsold the ps360 versions combined
RRR same as above
NMH is suda 51's best selling game ever. It sold (and counting) 290k. Killer 7 on GC and ps2 sold 22k combined

i could keep on going but i know any sane person would concede defeat.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]i woulkd dout it, some big console games are going to go to Wii, but as is assassins creed and GTA, the Wii is simply not powerful enough to pull off most devs ideas, dreams or even ports without substantualy downgrading the gamepieatorium

if this was really a big factor then devs wouldn't have made the ps2 their primary platform last gen.

The difference between a PS2 and an XBox or Gamecube wasn't as big as between Wii and 360/PS3, also the PS2 prety much picked the ball up and ran with the success of the PS1 and had all the major devs on board from the start, noone really expected the Wii to do what it has done (not even Nintendo) and as such most of the devs were onboard with the PS3 and 360 from the start. Switching to the frontrunner is a little different than switching away from it.

these seem like rationalizations. if power was a really big factor the ps2 wouldn't have been the lead platform. the xbox would have been. heck if it really was a big factor they would have stayed with the pc. but the reality is that they want to make money. ps2 was the successor to the ps1 and had 80% of the marketshare. that's the only reason they need to make it their lead platform.

No, but Resident Evil 5 might have a chance.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

OK, I'm gonna edit the OP. I meant the big games in that series, ie. the next Grand Theft Auto, and the next AC.

And also the possibility of a full on Wii-exclusive, like Kingdom Hearts 3.

jg4xchamp

yep no wii love from most developers. Biowear and epic have flat out scorned the wii for uts pittyfull hardwear and lack of scope.

As you all know, thus far, Wii is very clearly in the lead, and set to win this generation in terms of sales.

But what about the games? Devs go where the money is right? Even though Wii's been selling like crazy, it still hasn't gotten any of the big 3rd party games of this gen, and by that I mean games like this:

Grand Theft Auto IV

Call of Duty IV

Assassin's Creed

All 3 selling millions on their respective systems. And of course other games like DMCIV, GRAW, Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Orange Box, Burnout: Paradise etc and wherever you look, the big up-and-comers (atm) are PS3/360 like RE5, Soul Calibur 3, Far Cry 2, Top Spin 3, Unreal Tournament 3, Street Fighter IV, Red Faction 3, etc.

What happens if PS3/360 never really take off, while Wii continues to sell at its current rate? Is it likely the big games of this gen will head to the Wii? And by that I meant the next entry in a Final Fantasy game, or a Grand Theft Auto game etc. Maybe an exclusive like Kingdom Hearts 3?

What would the reaction from the gaming community be? What would your reaction be? What do you guys think?

the-very-best

If it hasn't happened by now, it probably won't happen for this generation. But the Wii is in a very good position to take over the NEXT generation. By then, Nintendo will have a whole new fanbase to appeal to and they will no longer have any compunctions about taking a risk on investing heavily in the Wii2. The Wii2 will at least have the same power as a current-day PC, which is about the level at which technology will begin to plateau.

We are in may of 2008 and the wii is still selling and its number one. There has been only a few switches from the ps3 to the wii, monster hunter and fatal frame have made the jump. But other than that nothing else has emerged. Hudson soft has said they were making games exclusively for the wii. Usually when a system sells well, most of the big name franchises are sure to follow like when Nintendo made the N64 and all of its big name franchises switched to Sony for the playstation. Now that the wii is selling, you would expect the same to happen.

There are games for the wii, but not the major franchises. If the wii had all of sony's third party franchises, the ps3 would not be in the picture. nintendo can survive with its franchises like mario and zelda because these are exclusive only to nintendo and nintendo has shown that it can survive without major third party support. If sony were to lose its major third party support it would lose.

This year's E3 will tell us more of what is to come for the future. I would like to play more of the franchises that the other systems have too. If I can play fatal frame, bully, resident evil, the godfather etc. on the wii then I don't see why silent hill, tekken, kingdom hearts, metal gear solid can come to the wii too. The wii can be like the PS2 in terms of games, for everyone.