Do you think the Wii U will be successful?

I think the Wii U is gonna have a hard time. The problem with the Wii U is the market it is trying to capture, the market that Sony and Microsoft already have a good hold on. Nintendo needs to show that the Wii U is more than just a console playing catch up with it's competitors. This E3, nothing substantial was shown about the Wii U that people were excited about (At least from the different interviews I watched with different gaming correspondants).

I think that when Nintendo boasted about Mass Effect 3 and Batman Arkham City being on the Wii U was a mistake. Sure you have big third party games, but it's too late. Are people seriously gonna buy a Wii U to play those 2 games again? Nintendo is all about their exclusives. Those usually show what the hardware is capable of.

Without a capable and robust online system, the Wii U is dead before it arrives. People always point to the Wii being a smash success but that was different. This time around, I think Nintendo will have a hard time selling the Wii U, especially if it's over $300.

What are your thoughts?

Discuss.

It will, cause sheep

I think it has the same potential as the Wii. Just like the Wii, people are already writing it off.

I think the Wii U is gonna have a hard time. The problem with the Wii U is the market it is trying to capture, the market that Sony and Microsoft already have a good hold on. Nintendo needs to show that the Wii U is more than just a console playing catch up with it's competitors. This E3, nothing substantial was shown about the Wii U that people were excited about (At least from the different interviews I watched with different gaming correspondants).

I think that when Nintendo boasted about Mass Effect 3 and Batman Arkham City being on the Wii U was a mistake. Sure you have big third party games, but it's too late. Are people seriously gonna buy a Wii U to play those 2 games again? Nintendo is all about their exclusives. Those usually show what the hardware is capable of.

Without a capable and robust online system, the Wii U is dead before it arrives. People always point to the Wii being a smash success but that was different. This time around, I think Nintendo will have a hard time selling the Wii U, especially if it's over $300.

What are your thoughts?

Discuss.

dream431ca

couldnt agree with you more, if they don't make the online better,this system will not sell well, especially if it does have the price tag of over 300 bucks. It really just seems like theyre not even trying anymore.

It's Nintendo. Even if it starts out bad they'll do whatever they can to turn it around.Eponique

I agree that, no one should under estimate Nintendo, but the Wii was a interesting system. It got people interested in it's control scheme and was cheap at launch. This time however, it feels like Nintendo wants to play catch up. The Wii was successful because it captured a completely different market then Sony or MS. If Nintendo wants to compete with the Sony and MS market, they need to play hard ball, but they didn't really show that at E3 this year. With the Wii U coming out this Winter, you would think Nintendo would have fired all cylinders at E3. They hardly turned the engine.

Yep, it's Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]It's Nintendo. Even if it starts out bad they'll do whatever they can to turn it around.dream431ca

I agree that, no one should under estimate Nintendo, but the Wii was a interesting system. It got people interested in it's control scheme and was cheap at launch. This time however, it feels like Nintendo wants to play catch up. The Wii was successful because it captured a completely different market then Sony or MS. If Nintendo wants to compete with the Sony and MS market, they need to play hard ball, but they didn't really show that at E3 this year. With the Wii U coming out this Winter, you would think Nintendo would have fired all cylinders at E3. They hardly turned the engine.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]It's Nintendo. Even if it starts out bad they'll do whatever they can to turn it around.dream431ca

I agree that, no one should under estimate sheep

Honestly, im convinced its going to be the biggest failure since the Vita and the Dreamcast.

For one, its not going to be priced at $250 while its closest competition costs $600 and $400 + XLB fees.

Developers are already saying Wii U is going to be the most difficult platform to develop for, and the general consensus is that PS4 and Xbox are going to be significantly more powerful. There is also no fathomable way they will price the PS4 and 720 a penny more than $299 (the price the Wii U is rumored to be priced at). 3rd parties are already skeptical, the mainstream masses are clueless and some believe the Wii U is a peripheral to the Wii, etc.

I expect next gen to be like it is right now in terms of sales/success, but I expect Sony to switch places with Microsoft. Sony will be the #1 seller/industry standard, MS will be the "other" core console (but not behind by far and still selling well), while Wii U will be last place in sales, games, graphics, etc..

It has two 20+ million sellers right out the gate, NSMBU (sold 30 million on the Wii) and Wii Fit (sold 20 million on the Wii twice). Even if the hardcore audience doesn't buy it Nintendo has created a safety net. Project 100 and Rayman Legends will be decent to keep the more serious players happy. Only market left to capture after that is the dudebros who only play shooters with black and white graphics.

Eponique

Well according to sheep logic, why would casuals pay $300-$350 (maybe even $400) for a Wii U, then drop an extra $90 for Wii Fit U or NSMB, when they can just buy a Wii for $150 (or a used one for $89) then buy the Wii version which is the exact same game? :?

Probably. Perhaps to the level the Wii was but I don't see the Wii-U failing.

But Nintendo's track record is not perfect by any means so who knows. *shrug*

No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.Grey_Eyed_Elf

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.Grey_Eyed_Elf

This. And if you look at the sales of SMG/Zelda, and contrast it to how many copies NSMB sold, or the Mario 25th aniversary collection, you would see that the majority people who bought that game were people who played the originals on NES/SNES and wanted to relive the nostalgia for those games.

Compare that to the much lower sales of the more "proper" 3D Mario games, and they are in line with whats on PS3/360. Hell, Uncharted 3 outsold Skyward Sword last year.

It's been awhile since a new console hit the market. I think people will be starved for something new and the tablet market is huge so the Wii U will likely sell very well this holiday seasons. (Leapfrog created a tablet like device for kids and it sold like gang busters) (Made $2300 off that stock purchase bc of it haha)Bread_or_Decide

I don't think people will want a tablet with handcuffs (meaning you can't use it anywhere you want). There are many tablets on the market right now. What Nintendo needs is to capture the hardcore market, but it looks like they won't be able to, but I hope I'm wrong, because I would love Nintendo to be like it was in the good old days of the SNES.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.dream431ca

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

And I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I own Nintendo stock. Bread_or_Decide

I don't think you have much to worry about in the short term. Long term however is risky.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.dream431ca

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.Bread_or_Decide

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]And I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I own Nintendo stock. dream431ca

I don't think you have much to worry about in the short term. Long term however is risky.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

Grey_Eyed_Elf

Well according to sheep logic, why would casuals pay $300-$350 (maybe even $400) for a Wii U, then drop an extra $90 for Wii Fit U or NSMB, when they can just buy a Wii for $150 (or a used one for $89) then buy the Wii version which is the exact same game? :?

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.dream431ca

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.Eponique

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

There is one major difference, Mario is Nintendo. But I see your point regardless.

Lol at people saying "It's Nintendo" Let's look at NA and a list of Nintendo products that failed to meet any expectations in NA: "Virtual Boy" "GBA" "Majority of Game and Watches" "The DSXL" "The 3DS" Now let's do the Nintendo Products that failed to sell any software out side of a select few games: "Wii" "Gamecube" "DS" "GB/GBC" "GBA" "N64" "NES" So by looking at the Wii U it is once again going to most likely have other parties software sales be equal to zip, only certain games will have high software sales, and it has a barely caught up online again, as well as devs pondering how to use the Screen. HAlf of which they did twice already and they are doing again from that list, and that's not even all the issues. Nintendo Wii U will either fail or barely succeed(or fail but not fail enough to die.) with a small one year ahead boost.Shockwave-DASH

Don't discount the 3DS. It's still too early to call.

Lol at people saying "It's Nintendo" Let's look at NA and a list of Nintendo products that failed to meet any expectations in NA: "Virtual Boy" "GBA" "Majority of Game and Watches" "The DSXL" "The 3DS" Now let's do the Nintendo Products that failed to sell any software out side of a select few games: "Wii" "Gamecube" "DS" "GB/GBC" "GBA" "N64" "NES" So by looking at the Wii U it is once again going to most likely have other parties software sales be equal to zip, only certain games will have high software sales, and it has a barely caught up online again, as well as devs pondering how to use the Screen. HAlf of which they did twice already and they are doing again from that list, and that's not even all the issues. Nintendo Wii U will either fail or barely succeed(or fail but not fail enough to die.) with a small one year ahead boost.Shockwave-DASH

WAIT WAIT, did you just say the GBA didn't meet expectations??? You are going to have to prove it.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]Lol at people saying "It's Nintendo" Let's look at NA and a list of Nintendo products that failed to meet any expectations in NA: "Virtual Boy" "GBA" "Majority of Game and Watches" "The DSXL" "The 3DS" Now let's do the Nintendo Products that failed to sell any software out side of a select few games: "Wii" "Gamecube" "DS" "GB/GBC" "GBA" "N64" "NES" So by looking at the Wii U it is once again going to most likely have other parties software sales be equal to zip, only certain games will have high software sales, and it has a barely caught up online again, as well as devs pondering how to use the Screen. HAlf of which they did twice already and they are doing again from that list, and that's not even all the issues. Nintendo Wii U will either fail or barely succeed(or fail but not fail enough to die.) with a small one year ahead boost.DNAbro

WAIT WAIT, did you just say the GBA didn't meet expectations??? You are going to have to prove it.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]No. The market the Wii tapped into just isn't there any more. The non gamers who bought the console got it because of the hype played it for the first several months and never bought any games for it outside of the pack in. There's a reason why 100million+ units were sold and only 8 million copies of Mario Galaxy... Casual bought in to the hype, they don't care about the games on it outside of Wii Sports and that was free. The WiiU won't be a Wii in terms of sales... not even close.Eponique

That is a huge realization. I honestly didn't know that :?

Honestly, im convinced its going to be the biggest failure since the Vita and the Dreamcast.

For one, its not going to be priced at $250 while its closest competition costs $600 and $400 + XLB fees.

Developers are already saying Wii U is going to be the most difficult platform to develop for, and the general consensus is that PS4 and Xbox are going to be significantly more powerful. There is also no fathomable way they will price the PS4 and 720 a penny more than $299 (the price the Wii U is rumored to be priced at). 3rd parties are already skeptical, the mainstream masses are clueless and some believe the Wii U is a peripheral to the Wii, etc.

I expect next gen to be like it is right now in terms of sales/success, but I expect Sony to switch places with Microsoft. Sony will be the #1 seller/industry standard, MS will be the "other" core console (but not behind by far and still selling well), while Wii U will be last place in sales, games, graphics, etc..

StrongDeadlift

Wii U difficult platform to develop for? Well, I wonder how it can turn out wrong since third party developers attempted to create proper Wii games but instead made half assed shovelware, yet the Wii still succeeded.

Yes, it will be successful.

Being mass marketed only in NA with decent marketing in EU and barely any Marketing in JP. Also the top 15 games all sold over 5 million, and the next 56 games solde over 1 million with the next 54 games selling over 500,000. You can say people brought games on the PS2. On the Wii? It's like the top 5 games sold over 9 million, the next 3 sold in between 6 million and 8, the next 7 sold over 1,000,000, the next 4 sold over 500,000, and the next everything else sold 300,000 down, with 78% of that being below 100,000. and by below 100,000 I mean if they are lucky they will break 80,000 and if they are the usual average game on the Wii, they will be lucky breaking 20,000 withing the first year.Shockwave-DASH

[QUOTE="DNAbro"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]Lol at people saying "It's Nintendo" Let's look at NA and a list of Nintendo products that failed to meet any expectations in NA: "Virtual Boy" "GBA" "Majority of Game and Watches" "The DSXL" "The 3DS" Now let's do the Nintendo Products that failed to sell any software out side of a select few games: "Wii" "Gamecube" "DS" "GB/GBC" "GBA" "N64" "NES" So by looking at the Wii U it is once again going to most likely have other parties software sales be equal to zip, only certain games will have high software sales, and it has a barely caught up online again, as well as devs pondering how to use the Screen. HAlf of which they did twice already and they are doing again from that list, and that's not even all the issues. Nintendo Wii U will either fail or barely succeed(or fail but not fail enough to die.) with a small one year ahead boost.Eponique

WAIT WAIT, did you just say the GBA didn't meet expectations??? You are going to have to prove it.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

Well according to sheep logic, why would casuals pay $300-$350 (maybe even $400) for a Wii U, then drop an extra $90 for Wii Fit U or NSMB, when they can just buy a Wii for $150 (or a used one for $89) then buy the Wii version which is the exact same game? :?

Eponique

Exactly what I said. Why would casuals buy a $300+ Wii U to play Wii Fit, then drop $90 on the Wii Fit itself ontop of that, when they can already buy the original Wii + Wii fit for hundreds of dollars less? Same with NSMB. Why buy a $300 system for that game, when they can get the exact same experience on the original Wii for $150 dollars :? (or $90 if they buy a used Wii).

Thats the same logic sheep used when comparing the 3DS to the Vita.

Casuals (like for instance the hot girls in the dorm room floor below you), who "dont care about graphics" that just want to play Wii Fit to get some cardio in, or play Wii sports or NSMB/2d mario games have much cheaper avenues available for them to do so. All of those games are available on the Wii and are the exact same experience.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Being mass marketed only in NA with decent marketing in EU and barely any Marketing in JP. Also the top 15 games all sold over 5 million, and the next 56 games solde over 1 million with the next 54 games selling over 500,000. You can say people brought games on the PS2. On the Wii? It's like the top 5 games sold over 9 million, the next 3 sold in between 6 million and 8, the next 7 sold over 1,000,000, the next 4 sold over 500,000, and the next everything else sold 300,000 down, with 78% of that being below 100,000. and by below 100,000 I mean if they are lucky they will break 80,000 and if they are the usual average game on the Wii, they will be lucky breaking 20,000 withing the first year.Eponique

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Being mass marketed only in NA with decent marketing in EU and barely any Marketing in JP. Also the top 15 games all sold over 5 million, and the next 56 games solde over 1 million with the next 54 games selling over 500,000. You can say people brought games on the PS2. On the Wii? It's like the top 5 games sold over 9 million, the next 3 sold in between 6 million and 8, the next 7 sold over 1,000,000, the next 4 sold over 500,000, and the next everything else sold 300,000 down, with 78% of that being below 100,000. and by below 100,000 I mean if they are lucky they will break 80,000 and if they are the usual average game on the Wii, they will be lucky breaking 20,000 withing the first year.Eponique