Do you think Xenoblade is revolutionary?

The GS review says this:

Xenoblade Chronicles is a remarkable game. It drags the JRPG into the 21st century, modernising many of the genre's traits and nailing a pace that outclasses the majority of its peers. Even coming from Tetsuya Takahashi--a man whose previous credits include Chrono Trigger and the other Xeno titles--it's a hugely surprising, versatile game. It has everything that seasoned JRPG veterans are looking for, but it also manages to lift the barrier for entry for those new to the genre. It retains the traditions it wants to and modernises the aspects it needs to. It's not only one of the best JRPGs in years; it's also one of the best RPGs regardless of subgenre. Xenoblade Chronicles is a captivating, magical game which deserves to be hailed as the revolution it is.GameSpot

So do you think Xenoblade Chronicles is a revolution?

I'm going to have to go with "not really" even tho I would have scored the game even higher than the reviewer did. Yes, it does boast a design that comes across as instantly superior to its peers---it is huge and vast without coming across like a WRPG wannabe (meaning it still has a relatively linear structure in spite of its bigness; exploration is optional but is strongly encouraged), it has deep complicated systems but doesn't force them on you if you don't want to partake in them, it encourages exploration by giving you rewards for it (experience points being one of them; the decision to give you EP and AP and what not for finding new landmarks is utterly genius), it has wonderful pacing that does away with the reams of exposition that clutters other JRPGs, it doesn't punish the player for dying in battle, its difficulty is pitch perfect, it has an overall ease of use that gives one the feeling that the developers really cared about a wide audience enjoying the game (several of the game's design decisions make you wonder why they didn't do things the same way a long time ago), its world is utterly magical. But on the other hand, revolution is quite a strong word. I guess I might agree with calling it a quiet revolution, but these days I honestly think it's hard for any game to be revolutionary and I wouldn't class Xenoblade with Ocarina of Time or Super Mario 64 or other revolutionary titles in that respect.

That being said, even tho it is not a revolution, it is a brilliant game with pitch perfect design. The developers were obviously really thinking about how the various parts of the whole worked together when they made it.

No.

No.

But it is the best "JRPG" on current gen home consoles. But that's not saying much, since most of them sucked.

Never even heard of it until now. Nintendo does such a lousy job of advertising their games. I might play it after I get All-Stars Battle Royale later this year.

Never even heard of it until now. Nintendo does such a lousy job of advertising their games. I might play it after I get All-Stars Battle Royale later this year.

Nike_Air

Never even heard of it until now. Nintendo does such a lousy job of advertising their games. I might play it after I get All-Stars Battle Royale later this year.

Nike_Air

Seeing as Nintendo grudgingly brought the game over to NA (only as a GameStop exclusive), it's not surprising that you haven't seen it advertised aggresively.

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Never even heard of it until now. Nintendo does such a lousy job of advertising their games. I might play it after I get All-Stars Battle Royale later this year.

simomate

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Never even heard of it until now. Nintendo does such a lousy job of advertising their games. I might play it after I get All-Stars Battle Royale later this year.

Nike_Air

when i play it i'll let you know but judging by gameplay vids i'm going to say no

Maybe not revolutionary, but it is nearly a masterpiece and one of the greatest games I've ever played.

No it wasn't Revolutionary. It just brought back a lot of stuff we liked about JRPGs in the Past.

Kind of, it has given a new look on the JRPG genre as a whole.

PS: its a fantastic game :D

It's pretty much a single player MMO with one player controlling the entire party. There a other quirks to it that make it more complex, but overall it's not much different than playing WoW or EQ offline (if that were possible). It is, however, how more RPGs should look to be in terms of battle system and story development and especially exploration.

It's not a revolutionary game, just the first amazing JRPG in ages.

Is it revolutionary: No

Is it a masterpiece: YES

Is it the best JRPG this gen: YES

hell its even on my list of the top ten RPGs of the past 15 years.

No not really revolutiopnary although if we were to compare it to FFXII, Xenoblade destroys it.

I'd say it has become one of my favorite games this gen. Once I beat it, I'll decide whether or not this is the best JRPG but it's getting there.

No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

Kind of, it has given a new look on the JRPG genre as a whole.

bbkkristian

Indeed, the game made me realize that the days of fun sidequests in jrpgs coming to an over, and from now on, mmo-based kill/collect quests will reign. QQ

No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

hayato_

Wow not surprised by your post since you never gave it a chance prior to buying it.

No, it's just a good JRPG. I think it's really overrated honestly.

No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

hayato_

Really thats strange for me the game felt like a breeze I was addicted to it I played it everyday for at least 6~7 hours till I beat it but as you said the reliance on quests is annoying there is so many quests to do and some of the towns are too big that they become annoying but overall story wise + characters + music the game is amazing.

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

Kashiwaba

Really thats strange for me the game felt like a breeze I was addicted to it I played it everyday for at least 6~7 hours till I beat it but as you said the reliance on quests is annoying there is so many quests to do and some of the towns are too big that they become annoying but overall story wise + characters + music the game is amazing.

I don't see how it relies on quests. They're optional.

No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

hayato_

better grab your shield cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

finalfantasy94

better grab your shield cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

That in itself says something about how awesome this game is.

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

finalfantasy94

better grab your shild cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

The inventory was not good and blue orb items are at random so some quests are random. Some technical issues and the chracter models could have been better.

But obviously a guy like me thinks the game is perfect right?

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

Seabas989

better grab your shild cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

The inventory was not good and blue orb items are at random so some quests are random. Some technical issues and the chracter models could have been better.

But obviously a guy like me thinks the game is perfect right?

The character models are pretty shabby (especially Shulk), but the breathtaking beauty of the environments makes up for that.

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better grab your shild cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

GreySeal9

The inventory was not good and blue orb items are at random so some quests are random. Some technical issues and the chracter models could have been better.

But obviously a guy like me thinks the game is perfect right?

The character models are pretty shabby (especially Shulk), but the breathtaking beauty of the environments makes up for that.

True plus exploring gives you experience points so picking up blue orbs for quests at random has a positive. JRPGs should have other ways to get you EXP instead of just grinding. And yes it is beautiful.

BTW single player MMOs don't exist. More like Massively single player rpg. :P

I want to try this game out but iv had zero time to get into it. Having a job blows execpt for the money part. I will say the game looks great though having giant maps are not apealing to me at all I still remember my horror with ff12 and its uncessary big maps.

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The inventory was not good and blue orb items are at random so some quests are random. Some technical issues and the chracter models could have been better.

But obviously a guy like me thinks the game is perfect right?

Seabas989

The character models are pretty shabby (especially Shulk), but the breathtaking beauty of the environments makes up for that.

True plus exploring gives you experience points so picking up blue orbs for quests at random has a positive. JRPGs should have other ways to get you EXP instead of just grinding. And yes it is beautiful.

BTW single player MMOs don't exist. More like Massively single player rpg. :P

Agreed 100%.

I never understood the MMO criticism. Does having a big world all of a sudden make a game an MMO?

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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

GreySeal9

Really thats strange for me the game felt like a breeze I was addicted to it I played it everyday for at least 6~7 hours till I beat it but as you said the reliance on quests is annoying there is so many quests to do and some of the towns are too big that they become annoying but overall story wise + characters + music the game is amazing.

I don't see how it relies on quests. They're optional.

I know they are optional but I cant resist not doing them when it come to RPGs I perefer finishing all the quests as much as possible but xenoblade killed me I could swear there was more than 150+ quests in that game lol I think even more

No, its not revolutionary. Its just an amazing and well made game.

I want to try this game out but iv had zero time to get into it. Having a job blows execpt for the money part. I will say the game looks great though having giant maps are not apealing to me at all I still remember my horror with ff12 and its uncessary big maps.

finalfantasy94

Unlike FF12 maps which were a pain in th as* Xenoblade maps are fun to explore me too I hate a very big world area maps but this one did it very well.

Evolutionary, perhaps, but not revolutionary. If it was revolutionary, it would have come to the west much faster than it did.

Great JRPG.

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Really thats strange for me the game felt like a breeze I was addicted to it I played it everyday for at least 6~7 hours till I beat it but as you said the reliance on quests is annoying there is so many quests to do and some of the towns are too big that they become annoying but overall story wise + characters + music the game is amazing.

Kashiwaba

I don't see how it relies on quests. They're optional.

I know they are optional but I cant resist not doing them when it come to RPGs I perefer finishing all the quests as much as possible but xenoblade killed me I could swear there was more than 300+ quests in that game lol

I think there's almost 500. I haven't even attempted to do all of them. Hell, I haven't even attempt to do more than a couple dozen.:lol: The only sidequests I plan to complete in their entirety are the Colony 6 ones. I'm sure you know why.

I do think that they went a little sidequest overboard. They could have wittled it down to 150-200 stronger quests, but atleast the game gives you a lot to do outside of the main story and they are good way to get experience if you don't feel like grinding.

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I want to try this game out but iv had zero time to get into it. Having a job blows execpt for the money part. I will say the game looks great though having giant maps are not apealing to me at all I still remember my horror with ff12 and its uncessary big maps.

Kashiwaba

Unlike FF12 maps which were a pain in th as* Xenoblade maps are fun to explore me too I hate a very big world area maps but this one did it very well.

Yeah, they're very distinctive. You don't get the feeling that the developer copied and pasted scenery. All the landmarks seem meticulously crafted.

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo

finalfantasy94

better grab your shield cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

It's not revolutionary but it has quite a few design choices and updates that will make other JRPGs seem outdated if they don't follow suit.

In a few ways. I am pretty far along and while I love parts of it, it does lack in areas. I personally find Baten kaitos 1 and 2 (their last gen RPG's ) to be better and have more interesting combat and customization mechanics. Xenoblade does a lot right, but it also feels like it is missing things as well. I need to beat it before I can fully judge.

No but it has several things that should be standard in a jrpg(item apperance changes, save anywhere)

Easily the best jrpg this gen though

It's not revolutionary but it has quite a few design choices and updates that will make other JRPGs seem outdated if they don't follow suit.

_BlueDuck_

It doesnt revolutionize anything but it does what JRPGs should do in a right way

-Good amount of exploration without boring you (Which FF13 lacked)

-Nice story (Which FF13-2 and Lost Odyssey lacked)

-Interesting world and settings (Which most of tales games lack)

-Good combat system with some deep strategy (though I find this optionl since I usually do enjoy any combat system even the classic turn based)

-Interesting characters (Which eternal sonata and 90% of the JRPGs which finalstar hype lack)

Its not a revolution by any means but it does a lot of things right. Its one of the better JRPGs I've played period though the idea that it was the first JRPG to feel current gen is wrong to me. TWEWY definitely imo was that game and its 4 years old and still unmatched in terms of combat addictiveness and ease of play.

Agreed 100%.

I never understood the MMO criticism. Does having a big world all of a sudden make a game an MMO?

GreySeal9

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo, far from a materpiece (Its OST is though :D ). This game could (should) have been made 10 years ago... I'm 70 hours in and just made it past sword valley, but the game is boring me to death slowly

Edit: Oh and:lol: hard at the "wonderful pacing'' remark This game feels like a chore after the 55 hour mark

Seabas989

Wow not surprised by your post since you never gave it a chance prior to buying it.

Edit: Last post I said 70 hours. Only 57 now that I'm playing. I haven't played in a week or two:P

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No

and its heavy reliance on quest is a bothersome imo

Shirokishi_

better grab your shield cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

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better grab your shield cause say negative things about this game is considered blasphemy.

hayato_