Does Anyone think Consoles are holding the PC back from its full potential

We havent had a better looking game on like crysis in 2 years and counting, Also Crytek is actully going multiplatform with Crysis which sure will delay its graphics for a while till a new console comes out,

no if anything consoles are teaching devs how to push great physics out when you have limited resources. So when it comes time to dev for a system with unlimited resources like pc they can do even better.

plus devs like money and piracy =/= money

no if anything consoles are teaching devs how to push great physics out when you have limited resources. So when it comes time to dev for a system with unlimited resources like pc they can do even better.

plus devs like money and piracy =/= money

BlackTragedy

No, not at all. About the only thing that consoles can't do that PCs can is better graphics. If devs work hard at something, they can translate just about any games pure gameplay over to consoles without making any sacrifices beyond graphics, but often don't because it takes more work. Thats why I am a little dissapointed that Bioware changed the gameplay dynamics with Dragon Age on consoles. They could have better translated the experience, but tried to make it different.

I believe the expansion of consoles is holding the PC back. A lot of former PC developers are abandoning the platform or designing specifically for consoles and porting the game over to PC. It feels as if each year we are getting less and less games designed with a PC crowd in mind. I am growing tired of playing games that I can tell with one look that the PC market was an after thought. Infinity Ward is quite guilty of this with the newest Call of Duty....the PC version feels like the only thing they really did to change it from the consoles was make a small IWnet symbol in the top left corner of the screen during matchmaking.

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

no if anything consoles are teaching devs how to push great physics out when you have limited resources. So when it comes time to dev for a system with unlimited resources like pc they can do even better.

plus devs like money and piracy =/= money

BlackTragedy

No pc is held back by its own market. Its to expensive to make games that look as good or better then crysis just for one market . Consoles make over 70% of the money in gaming . pc is a good size market however .most people still cant run high end games well and there is a massive about of torrent people stealing games .

No pc is held back by its own market. Its to expensive to make games that look as good or better then crysis just for one market . Consoles make over 70% of the money in gaming . pc is a good size market however .most people still cant run high end games well and there is a massive about of torrent people stealing games .

dontshackzmii

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

Aku101

By the way Aku101 ur a stupid cow, PC isnt holding the PS3 back since PS3 already went to its limits in graphics

I don't know if I like the way you've worded it, but I do kind of feel that PC development isn't focused on as heavily as it would be if consoles weren't offering such a similar experience (leaving aside the fact that they are mopping up in the profits department).

Back in the day, there were "PC games", which were the cutting-edge, adult games that pushed the boundaries of graphics, sound, innovation, depth and realism, and "Console games", which were graphically limited games that were fun and usually simple..

Now, there is less and less of a gap between what each platform offers and there is often a tremendous amount of overlap. Genres that didn't used to exist on consoles are now thriving.

Not only does this have an impact on the the industry itself, it should also indicate that being a PC snob makes a lot less sense than it did 10-15 years ago. ;)

pc gaming is boring u gotta sit in a chair use a keyboard and mouse which is not fun, only games i like on it are sims and wow u have to worry about ram and all the other stuff that comes withthe pc . everytime i try to play wow or sims sonething is allways messing up

id rather get a MAC everything is simple , pc is a headache for me

don't worry, PC will catch up to consoles pretty soon, i'm sure of it.

Consoles wouldn't exist if there wasn't a demand for them, so, no, I do not.

No, it's developers. Put the damn blame where it belongs.

Also, the reason Crytek went multiplat in the first place is piracy on the PC.

don't worry, PC will catch up to consoles pretty soon, i'm sure of it.

Phacet

PC gaming is dead. Get over it

Hmmm if the consoles hold PC back? hard to say, the thing I think holds console games back from being more complex and finely tuned, is the controllers, theyre fine but they lack enough buttons to have an advanced control scheme.

What I DO think holds PC back (from a gaming standpoint) is that most devs aim for the broadest spectrum of customers, which by default means the lowerst common nominator, lets face it there is ALOT of not too bright people out there... making sure they are on the bandwagon of "the oh so complex world of videogames" is to make sure everything is "streamlined" ie. dumbed down so much that games practically plays themselves now.

On a purely hardware side then... yes! a whole lot of games can not be as complex or big in scale as most devs want them to because of the fairly limeted hardware of the consoles.

Overall if you ment games (Im sure you did, its a gamingsite afterall) then its not the consoles per say,but the broad marketing, heck most consolites dislike the dumbing down this gen.

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

Aku101

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

I don't know if I like the way you've worded it, but I do kind of feel that PC development isn't focused on as heavily as it would be if consoles weren't offering such a similar experience (leaving aside the fact that they are mopping up in the profits department).

Back in the day, there were "PC games", which were the cutting-edge, adult games that pushed the boundaries of graphics, sound, innovation, depth and realism, and "Console games", which were graphically limited games that were fun and usually simple..

Now, there is less and less of a gap between what each platform offers and there is often a tremendous amount of overlap. Genres that didn't used to exist on consoles are now thriving.

Not only does this have an impact on the the industry itself, it should also indicate that being a PC snob makes a lot less sense than it did 10-15 years ago. ;)

Hahadouken

theres still 'pc games' just admittadly a lot less. its more devs realising 'hey we can make a simplistic experience that requires little to no work, market the **** out of it and sell millions' instead of actually taking the time to craft a true pc experience. its really 'lazy' devs trying to maximize profits.

the other issue of pc games going top consoles is kind of the same. developers can release COD on the consoles and sell millions because the core experience is fairly simple. and the FPSs isnt over sturated on the consoles. console gamers really have seen few good FPSs. most things console gamers claim as innovative and new are features standard in pc games for decades.

the actual experience though is a different story. the console experience can be fully replicated on a pc. its a closed simple platform. in reality the only defining factor between the consoles is the controler. the experience doesnt change. if you were playing KZ2 on a 360 with a ps3 controller you wouldnt notice a difference (hypothetical assuming KZ2 is done on the 360). hell if someone played zelda through their pc and gave you a NES controller you wouldnt know it was on the pc unless they told you.

this isnt true of the pc experience. the pc experience can be summed up with one word. 'choice'. you have the choice in almost everything with pc gaming, everyone has a different experience, there isnt a set experience that you can say this is representative of pc gaming. the consoles are trying to replicated the openness of the pc platform on a closed system and failing pretty hard.

Even if there were no consoles, I don't think Crysis would have sold well. It was too much too soon. There is a threshold that people aren't willing to cross when it comes to gaming hardware expense. donalbane

except even with consoles and piracy crysis still sold more than most console games

pc gaming is boring u gotta sit in a chair use a keyboard and mouse which is not fun, only games i like on it are sims and wow u have to worry about ram and all the other stuff that comes withthe pc . everytime i try to play wow or sims sonething is allways messing up

id rather get a MAC everything is simple , pc is a headache for me

coltgames

i sit on a couch or bed and for everything but FPSs, RTS, and TPSs i use a controller. ive never needed to worry about ram or anything at least no more than id have to worry about getting a new console for a game, and im playing games like NBA 2k10,dragon age,mirrors edge,FF8,oblivion, crysis, STALKER,shattered horizon, the witcher, system shock 2, simpsons hit and run, KOTOR, battlefront, CODMW2, far cry,audio surf. SF4, and GTA4

These misconceptions will stop existing when everyone experiences it.

hackers are killing PC games sales so PC gaming is fading sooooooooooooooo slow but surelyabd_alazeez2002

prove it

I believe the expansion of consoles is holding the PC back. A lot of former PC developers are abandoning the platform or designing specifically for consoles and porting the game over to PC. It feels as if each year we are getting less and less games designed with a PC crowd in mind. I am growing tired of playing games that I can tell with one look that the PC market was an after thought. Infinity Ward is quite guilty of this with the newest Call of Duty....the PC version feels like the only thing they really did to change it from the consoles was make a small IWnet symbol in the top left corner of the screen during matchmaking.

UnknownSniper65

And prior to that was the closure of looking glass, troika , new world computing, westwood, origins, and black isle, all the famous PC rpg devs getting killed... You would of thought that Bioware would of stayed to take on the market by itself...nope. Even after sellling multi-million copies of Baldur's gate 1 and 2, kotor, they go and make a X-box Only game and then mass effect a X-box 360 exclusive at first (stupid m$!!!) and then port to pc.. MS porting Halo 2 to pc thinking that pc gamers will like it even though it was 4 years old and from an inferior platform they made it vista only. M$ really hurt the pc the most!!! Making Direct X 10 vista only.. crippled the pc gaming tech , as devs were forced and still are forced to stay with direct x 9 an APi from spec made back in early 2003!

Back in the day games were made on pc and ported to console in dumbed down console frinedly versions, now pc gamers get the shaft..the micro$haft treatment of not getting many exclusives and getting 360 ports. It sucks PC gaming used to be enough for me that I didn't need a console (after ps1 phased out, as that console was too epic with the rpgs!!!!) This gen i had to get a console to suppliment my gaming pc and after doing research and my past love for the ps1 brought me right to the ps3 in 2008. Now I mainly play on the ps3 unless a pc exclusive comes out and it's not a sports manager, or mmo....which is rare these days :(

No pc is held back by its own market. Its to expensive to make games that look as good or better then crysis just for one market . Consoles make over 70% of the money in gaming . pc is a good size market however .most people still cant run high end games well and there is a massive about of torrent people stealing games .

dontshackzmii

pc gaming is boring u gotta sit in a chair use a keyboard and mouse which is not fun, only games i like on it are sims and wow u have to worry about ram and all the other stuff that comes withthe pc . everytime i try to play wow or sims sonething is allways messing up

id rather get a MAC everything is simple , pc is a headache for me

coltgames

No, multiplats are being developed for consoles, evident by the delayed PC releases. You can't equate that to PC being held back by consoles.

Devs just need to make better PC games. And they've had many chances to do this year but failed.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

I believe the expansion of consoles is holding the PC back. A lot of former PC developers are abandoning the platform or designing specifically for consoles and porting the game over to PC. It feels as if each year we are getting less and less games designed with a PC crowd in mind. I am growing tired of playing games that I can tell with one look that the PC market was an after thought. Infinity Ward is quite guilty of this with the newest Call of Duty....the PC version feels like the only thing they really did to change it from the consoles was make a small IWnet symbol in the top left corner of the screen during matchmaking.

Midnightshade29

And prior to that was the closure of looking glass, troika , new world computing, westwood, origins, and black isle, all the famous PC rpg devs getting killed... You would of thought that Bioware would of stayed to take on the market by itself...nope. Even after sellling multi-million copies of Baldur's gate 1 and 2, kotor, they go and make a X-box Only game and then mass effect a X-box 360 exclusive at first (stupid m$!!!) and then port to pc.. MS porting Halo 2 to pc thinking that pc gamers will like it even though it was 4 years old and from an inferior platform they made it vista only. M$ really hurt the pc the most!!! Making Direct X 10 vista only.. crippled the pc gaming tech , as devs were forced and still are forced to stay with direct x 9 an APi from spec made back in early 2003!

Back in the day games were made on pc and ported to console in dumbed down console frinedly versions, now pc gamers get the shaft..the micro$haft treatment of not getting many exclusives and getting 360 ports. It sucks PC gaming used to be enough for me that I didn't need a console (after ps1 phased out, as that console was too epic with the rpgs!!!!) This gen i had to get a console to suppliment my gaming pc and after doing research and my past love for the ps1 brought me right to the ps3 in 2008. Now I mainly play on the ps3 unless a pc exclusive comes out and it's not a sports manager, or mmo....which is rare these days :(

I await the day when devs begin to push the envelope like they did all throughout my gaming career on the PC. I remember playing mind blowing games like DOOM, X-wing, the latter King Quests, X-coms and other classics while others where cutting their teeth on 8/16bit consoles. The PC quality gap over consoles was tremendous. Now dumbing down for consoles is par for course and its taken a bit of my gaming enthusiasm with it.

pc gaming is boring u gotta sit in a chair use a keyboard and mouse which is not fun, only games i like on it are sims and wow u have to worry about ram and all the other stuff that comes withthe pc . everytime i try to play wow or sims sonething is allways messing up

id rather get a MAC everything is simple , pc is a headache for me

coltgames

Funny I play most of my PC games from the couch with a wireless 360 controller hooked up my 52 inch HDTV. Funny since I also built the PC myself it's so much more powerfull then ANY MAC (LOL!) in it's price range. Funny that my 4 gigs of ram is sufficient for any game on the market, and my GTX 280 makes your consoles look pathetic.

Funny what knowing how to use all of the options a pc provides you can do.

Funny since I also can play any damn game (all consoles games included, eventually) since the inception of video games, and new games (except for COD MW2) all cost at least $10 less.

Funny that your ignorance is bliss.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

I believe the expansion of consoles is holding the PC back. A lot of former PC developers are abandoning the platform or designing specifically for consoles and porting the game over to PC. It feels as if each year we are getting less and less games designed with a PC crowd in mind. I am growing tired of playing games that I can tell with one look that the PC market was an after thought. Infinity Ward is quite guilty of this with the newest Call of Duty....the PC version feels like the only thing they really did to change it from the consoles was make a small IWnet symbol in the top left corner of the screen during matchmaking.

ScorpionBeeBee

And prior to that was the closure of looking glass, troika , new world computing, westwood, origins, and black isle, all the famous PC rpg devs getting killed... You would of thought that Bioware would of stayed to take on the market by itself...nope. Even after sellling multi-million copies of Baldur's gate 1 and 2, kotor, they go and make a X-box Only game and then mass effect a X-box 360 exclusive at first (stupid m$!!!) and then port to pc.. MS porting Halo 2 to pc thinking that pc gamers will like it even though it was 4 years old and from an inferior platform they made it vista only. M$ really hurt the pc the most!!! Making Direct X 10 vista only.. crippled the pc gaming tech , as devs were forced and still are forced to stay with direct x 9 an APi from spec made back in early 2003!

Back in the day games were made on pc and ported to console in dumbed down console frinedly versions, now pc gamers get the shaft..the micro$haft treatment of not getting many exclusives and getting 360 ports. It sucks PC gaming used to be enough for me that I didn't need a console (after ps1 phased out, as that console was too epic with the rpgs!!!!) This gen i had to get a console to suppliment my gaming pc and after doing research and my past love for the ps1 brought me right to the ps3 in 2008. Now I mainly play on the ps3 unless a pc exclusive comes out and it's not a sports manager, or mmo....which is rare these days :(

I await the day when devs begin to push the envelope like they did all throughout my gaming career on the PC. I remember playing mind blowing games like DOOM, X-wing, the latter King Quests, X-coms and other classics while others where cutting their teeth on 8/16bit consoles. The PC quality gap over consoles was tremendous. Now dumbing down for consoles is par for course and its taken a bit of my gaming enthusiasm with it.

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

Aku101

Nothing is holding the PC back. It is the lazy ass devs that do not want to invest in furthering the PC platform because they can just make a crappy game for console and make millions.

If anything it's the PC that's holding consoles back.

Aku101

Explain how this is true.

Definitely, and pirating hurts. I miss the days of massive online games like Battlefield 2AdamPA1006

only the fear of lost sales and potential sales hurt the industry. theres no link between piracy and lost sales to make the claim that piracy directly hurts

Nothing is holding the PC back. It is the lazy ass devs that do not want to invest in furthering the PC platform because they can just make a crappy game for console and make millions.

SF_KiLLaMaN

There are aspects to PC games which are affected regardless of hardware power and cost.

For instance PC can support much larger scale games because of high memory. Consoles are heavily reliant on streaming small amounts of information, so while they can simulate large environments using cells; the area the player is currently in is small scale. The game image is also quite bloated on consoles, the game is designed to be played at a distance; so everything is made big.

There is also interface design, PC game interfaces tend to be more complex but unpractical on consoles. A good example of this would be the Morrowind interface compared to the Oblivion one.

So there are aspects of game design on PC that get held back because of console orientation, cost dependant areas are mostly limited by the industries current climate.

I wonder how many people were actually dumb enough to say yes.

Consoles don't develop games so no, it doesn't hold PC back. If the developers chose to dumb down the PC version to make it the same as the console version, it's the developers fault. Developers also blow the whole piracy issue out of proportion, so again, it falls on the developer.

Also, the reason Crytek went multiplat in the first place is piracy on the PC.

TREY_FOR_LI4E

If the developers chose to dumb down the PC version to make it the same as the console version, it's the developers fault.

ThePRAssassin

They don't dumb down the PC version, there would have to be more there that they took away for it to be dumbed down. They simply take the game they developed to run on the lowest common denominators (consoles) and copy it over to PC.

So it's not so much removing something as not adding something. Of course as we have noted in recent years that is starting to change, hardware companies need to sell their latest tech; and they are funding the upgrade of games to justify them.