Don't use your Ps3 at 1080i

I see lots of people conplaining about edges on Ps3, when the reason that is happening is because they using the 1080i on TVs 1366X768.

You shoiuld use only 720p (if you dont have a non full hd HTDV) and 1080p (if you have a full HD)

1080i are only for movies or people with SD crt Tvs.

You can't conplain about something if you are using it wrong.

Anyone that doesn't have a full HD tv, and only a HDTV ready, and would like to have the best graphics possible go to the display setting on your Ps3 and mark the 720p only.

See the diference and comment your results here.

I found that out with my 360 first.

This is all true and should be in the PS3 forum as well.

I see lots of people conplaining about edges on Ps3, when the reason that is happening is because they using the 1080i on TVs 1366X768.

You shoiuld use only 720p (if you dont have a non full hd HTDV) and 1080p (if you have a full HD)

1080i are only for movies or people with SD crt Tvs.

You can't conplain about something if you are using it wrong.

Anyone that doesn't have a full HD tv, and only a HDTV ready, and would like to have the best graphics possible go to the display setting on your Ps3 and mark the 720p only.

See the diference and comment your results here.

ropumar

What do you mean edges?

720p is only "HDTV ready"? Recall that last gen 480p was considered full HD.Yodas_Boy

"HD Ready" is marking given when TV have meets minimal requirements and one of them is support of 720p, so some full HD are also mark as "HD ready", but mostly is refereed to 720p only TV's. Also some TV not meet other requirements or they simply not submitted to equire such marking, do TV without "HD Ready" still might be HDTV.

I see lots of people conplaining about edges on Ps3, when the reason that is happening is because they using the 1080i on TVs 1366X768.

You shoiuld use only 720p (if you dont have a non full hd HTDV) and 1080p (if you have a full HD)

1080i are only for movies or people with SD crt Tvs.

You can't conplain about something if you are using it wrong.

Anyone that doesn't have a full HD tv, and only a HDTV ready, and would like to have the best graphics possible go to the display setting on your Ps3 and mark the 720p only.

See the diference and comment your results here.

ropumar

first off, those "edges" you speak of are called aliasing. this is because the polygons that are used to make the characters and objects in a game are triangular in nature and not curved. to reduce the sight of it anti-aliasing, or AA, is used. the higher the AA level, the lower the chances of you seeing the aliasing. the problem is most ps3 and some 360 games do not have AA, especially games built on the UE3 engine.

second, "full HD" is a marketing term created by Sharp to get people to switch from SD tv's and 720p HDTV's to 1080p tv's. it was invented because 1080p tv's at the time literally cost twice as much as 720p tv's at the same size and most consumers didn't see the need to get a 1080p for an image quality upgrade so small, that you'd need to sit close to a 50" + to notice a difference.

third, 1080i is a standard used by television companies as a way to broadcast 1080 content on the limited bandwidth of cable and satellite. blu-ray movies and hd dvd movies are 1080p at 24fps.

fourth 1080i is not reserved for sd crt tv's as sd tv's can only display up to 480p.

fifth, "hdtv ready" implies that the tv is high definition but does not have a hd tuner built into the set itself. if you wish to see hd material on these tv's, then you need an hd cable box or blu-ray player or game console to enjoy hd.

sixth, to get the best picture possible, you need to change more than just the resolution. you need to change the color temperature, the color saturation level, the white balance, the contrast level, the brightness level, the backlight level, the sharpness, the flesh tone level, the gamma level and the color space.

please for god's sake, research something before you make a comment on ANYTHING!

[QUOTE="Yodas_Boy"]720p is only "HDTV ready"? Recall that last gen 480p was considered full HD.ShadowriverUB

"HD Ready" is marking given when TV have meets minimal requirements and one of them is support of 720p, so some full HD are also mark as "HD ready", but mostly is refereed to 720p only TV's. Also some TV not meet other requirements or they simply not submitted to equire such marking, do TV without "HD Ready" still might be HDTV.

hd ready is only giving to hdtv's that do not have a high definition tuner built into the set. the resolution doesn't play a factor in it at all. in the US, if an hdtv has an NTSC tuner (analog, standard definition) but not an ATSC/QAM tuner (ATSC is a high definition standard used for over-the-air signals; antenna. QAM is a high definition standard for sending HD signals via cable. there are 2 versions, QAM 64 and QAM 256) there is also the lesser known/used 8-VSB protocol.

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

I see lots of people conplaining about edges on Ps3, when the reason that is happening is because they using the 1080i on TVs 1366X768.

You shoiuld use only 720p (if you dont have a non full hd HTDV) and 1080p (if you have a full HD)

1080i are only for movies or people with SD crt Tvs.

You can't conplain about something if you are using it wrong.

Anyone that doesn't have a full HD tv, and only a HDTV ready, and would like to have the best graphics possible go to the display setting on your Ps3 and mark the 720p only.

See the diference and comment your results here.

cowgriller

first off, those "edges" you speak of are called aliasing. this is because the polygons that are used to make the characters and objects in a game are triangular in nature and not curved. to reduce the sight of it anti-aliasing, or AA, is used. the higher the AA level, the lower the chances of you seeing the aliasing. the problem is most ps3 and some 360 games do not have AA, especially games built on the UE3 engine.

second, "full HD" is a marketing term created by Sharp to get people to switch from SD tv's and 720p HDTV's to 1080p tv's. it was invented because 1080p tv's at the time literally cost twice as much as 720p tv's at the same size and most consumers didn't see the need to get a 1080p for an image quality upgrade so small, that you'd need to sit close to a 50" + to notice a difference.

third, 1080i is a standard used by television companies as a way to broadcast 1080 content on the limited bandwidth of cable and satellite. blu-ray movies and hd dvd movies are 1080p at 24fps.

fourth 1080i is not reserved for sd crt tv's as sd tv's can only display up to 480p.

fifth, "hdtv ready" implies that the tv is high definition but does not have a hd tuner built into the set itself. if you wish to see hd material on these tv's, then you need an hd cable box or blu-ray player or game console to enjoy hd.

sixth, to get the best picture possible, you need to change more than just the resolution. you need to change the color temperature, the color saturation level, the white balance, the contrast level, the brightness level, the backlight level, the sharpness, the flesh tone level, the gamma level and the color space.

please for god's sake, research something before you make a comment on ANYTHING!

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

I see lots of people conplaining about edges on Ps3, when the reason that is happening is because they using the 1080i on TVs 1366X768.

You shoiuld use only 720p (if you dont have a non full hd HTDV) and 1080p (if you have a full HD)

1080i are only for movies or people with SD crt Tvs.

You can't conplain about something if you are using it wrong.

Anyone that doesn't have a full HD tv, and only a HDTV ready, and would like to have the best graphics possible go to the display setting on your Ps3 and mark the 720p only.

See the diference and comment your results here.

Xolver

first off, those "edges" you speak of are called aliasing. this is because the polygons that are used to make the characters and objects in a game are triangular in nature and not curved. to reduce the sight of it anti-aliasing, or AA, is used. the higher the AA level, the lower the chances of you seeing the aliasing. the problem is most ps3 and some 360 games do not have AA, especially games built on the UE3 engine.

second, "full HD" is a marketing term created by Sharp to get people to switch from SD tv's and 720p HDTV's to 1080p tv's. it was invented because 1080p tv's at the time literally cost twice as much as 720p tv's at the same size and most consumers didn't see the need to get a 1080p for an image quality upgrade so small, that you'd need to sit close to a 50" + to notice a difference.

third, 1080i is a standard used by television companies as a way to broadcast 1080 content on the limited bandwidth of cable and satellite. blu-ray movies and hd dvd movies are 1080p at 24fps.

fourth 1080i is not reserved for sd crt tv's as sd tv's can only display up to 480p.

fifth, "hdtv ready" implies that the tv is high definition but does not have a hd tuner built into the set itself. if you wish to see hd material on these tv's, then you need an hd cable box or blu-ray player or game console to enjoy hd.

sixth, to get the best picture possible, you need to change more than just the resolution. you need to change the color temperature, the color saturation level, the white balance, the contrast level, the brightness level, the backlight level, the sharpness, the flesh tone level, the gamma level and the color space.

please for god's sake, research something before you make a comment on ANYTHING!

it depends on the tv really. some 720p tv's could properly display and deinterlace a 1080i image. some can't. some can't properly display the entire 1080i image and 720p would look better. there are also 720p tv's that can display a 1080p image at 224/30/60 hz and the image looks better than a 720p/60 image. you have to try this out yourself on your own tv and figure out which looks better to you.

hd ready is only giving to hdtv's that do not have a high definition tuner built into the set. the resolution doesn't play a factor in it at all. in the US, if an hdtv has an NTSC tuner (analog, standard definition) but not an ATSC/QAM tuner (ATSC is a high definition standard used for over-the-air signals; antenna. QAM is a high definition standard for sending HD signals via cable. there are 2 versions, QAM 64 and QAM 256) there is also the lesser known/used 8-VSB protocol.cowgriller

QAM? I think you mean DVB-C, QAM is lower level element of ISO model of digital TV technology ;) QAM is also used in DVB-T (rest of the world exept Japan and China digital terrestrial TV standard) you know. I sited on this business a little

Anyway you might be right, i will try to check it's applies in Europe and DVB-T too when i be lurking shops next time.

This thread actually made me feel bad about having a 720p hdtv and not a 1080p hdtv. But until the price of a 1080p drop to $1000 and below, it will stay that wayJ_Swayze

I see 42"-47" 1080p 60hz tv regularly for less than $1000 these days, though anymore if I were buying another HDTV I'd want at least one of the 120hz models...

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]hd ready is only giving to hdtv's that do not have a high definition tuner built into the set. the resolution doesn't play a factor in it at all. in the US, if an hdtv has an NTSC tuner (analog, standard definition) but not an ATSC/QAM tuner (ATSC is a high definition standard used for over-the-air signals; antenna. QAM is a high definition standard for sending HD signals via cable. there are 2 versions, QAM 64 and QAM 256) there is also the lesser known/used 8-VSB protocol.ShadowriverUB

QAM? I think you mean DVB-C, QAM is lower level element of ISO model of digital TV technology ;) QAM is also used in DVB-T (rest of the world exept Japan and China digital terrestrial TV standard) you know. I sited on this business a little

Anyway you might be right, i will try to check it's applies in Europe too when i be lurking shops next time.

actually, north america uses QAM 64 and QAM 256 for cable tv.

actually, north america uses QAM 64 and QAM 256 for cable tv.cowgriller

Yes, but as i said it's lower level of ISO model, it's only method of data trasmiting via radio waves, it's still need protocol, DVB-C for example. ATSC and all DVB standards is in higher level and they are protocols, as i know ATSC have have there own method of data trasmiting via radio insted of QAM used in DVB-T. In other words, QAM is like Ethernet and DVB-C is TCP/IP. Get it? ;)

I think US also use DVB-C

Who are you to tell me what to use my PS3 at?? :evil: I have it set at 1080i and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. You should be more worried about telling people to buy a HD cables seems how none of the consoles are coming with any anymore...

Who are you to tell me what to use my PS3 at?? :evil: I have it set at 1080i and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. You should be more worried about telling people to buy a HD cables seems how none of the consoles are coming with any anymore...whitetiger3521

Good HDMIs are not that cheap to bundle them.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]actually, north america uses QAM 64 and QAM 256 for cable tv.ShadowriverUB

Yes, but as i said it's lower level of ISO model, it's only method of data trasmiting via radio waves, it's still need protocol, DVB-C for example. ATSC and all DVB standards is in higher level and they are protocols, as i know ATSC have have there own method of data trasmiting via radio insted of QAM used in DVB-T. In other words, QAM is like Ethernet and DVB-C is TCP/IP. Get it? ;)

I think US also use DVB-C

close. the QAM in the US uses ATSC, not DVB. QAM is used in the US because it could transfer twice the amount of data than 8-VSB, which was the first modulator in ATSC. DVB, in all its forms, is incompatible in US, just like SECAM and PAL.

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]Who are you to tell me what to use my PS3 at?? :evil: I have it set at 1080i and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. You should be more worried about telling people to buy a HD cables seems how none of the consoles are coming with any anymore...ShadowriverUB

Good HDMIs are not that cheap to bundle them.

depends. monoprice.com sells very good quality hdmi 1.3 category 2 cables (needed for transmissions upto and including 1440p) for under $10 for 6 feet.

close. the QAM in the US uses ATSC, not DVB. QAM is used in the US because it could transfer twice the amount of data than 8-VSB, which was the first modulator in ATSC. DVB, in all its forms, is incompatible in US, just like SECAM and PAL.cowgriller

Oh so you guys useing ATSC for cable too, you should say from begining? :P Don't say QAM since it will confuse people

Aslo you guys use DVB-S for sattelite

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]Who are you to tell me what to use my PS3 at?? :evil: I have it set at 1080i and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. You should be more worried about telling people to buy a HD cables seems how none of the consoles are coming with any anymore...cowgriller

Good HDMIs are not that cheap to bundle them.

depends. monoprice.com sells very good quality hdmi 1.3 category 2 cables (needed for transmissions upto and including 1440p) for under $10 for 6 feet.

You can't walk into a store and pay $10 for a hdmi cable :|

[QUOTE="J_Swayze"]This thread actually made me feel bad about having a 720p hdtv and not a 1080p hdtv. But until the price of a 1080p drop to $1000 and below, it will stay that waysantoron

I see 42"-47" 1080p 60hz tv regularly for less than $1000 these days, though anymore if I were buying another HDTV I'd want at least one of the 120hz models...

You can't walk into a store and pay $10 for a hdmi cable :|whitetiger3521

Yes and i know that HDMI cable quality won't effect screen quality since it's all digital, but still cable need to meet some standards.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]close. the QAM in the US uses ATSC, not DVB. QAM is used in the US because it could transfer twice the amount of data than 8-VSB, which was the first modulator in ATSC. DVB, in all its forms, is incompatible in US, just like SECAM and PAL.ShadowriverUB

Oh so you guys useing ATSC for cable too, you should say from begining? :P Don't say QAM since it will confuse people

Aslo you guys use DVB-S for sattelite

ok that one is news to me. i was well aware of the mpeg-4 format but not that it's sent via DVB.

it depends on the tv really. some 720p tv's could properly display and deinterlace a 1080i image. some can't. some can't properly display the entire 1080i image and 720p would look better. there are also 720p tv's that can display a 1080p image at 224/30/60 hz and the image looks better than a 720p/60 image. you have to try this out yourself on your own tv and figure out which looks better to you.cowgriller

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

Good HDMIs are not that cheap to bundle them.

whitetiger3521

depends. monoprice.com sells very good quality hdmi 1.3 category 2 cables (needed for transmissions upto and including 1440p) for under $10 for 6 feet.

You can't walk into a store and pay $10 for a hdmi cable :|

that's because the prices are inflated to maximise profits for the manufacturer and the retailer. stores like best buy and circuit city are notorious for price gouging, unfortunately the general public doesn't have much of a choice in brick and mortar electronic stores or are unaware of or hesitant to buy anything online.

you should really read these articles:

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[QUOTE="cowgriller"]it depends on the tv really. some 720p tv's could properly display and deinterlace a 1080i image. some can't. some can't properly display the entire 1080i image and 720p would look better. there are also 720p tv's that can display a 1080p image at 224/30/60 hz and the image looks better than a 720p/60 image. you have to try this out yourself on your own tv and figure out which looks better to you.Dante2710

hence why i said some hdtv's are incapable of properly deinterlacing a 1080i image. it could lead to detail loss or visible "scan lines". 1080i was made as a why of sending out a higher resolution signal but with less of the bandwidth requirements of a 1080p signal.

ok that one is news to me. i was well aware of the mpeg-4 format but not that it's sent via DVB.cowgriller

Looks like you have problems with ISO model basics, MPEG-4 is most higher standard in ISO digital TV tree, it is used mostly in all digital tv standards ATSC and DVB included... and it's only a video standard there also need to be sound standard (MPEG layer-2 or DD mostly, atleast in DVB), teletext (DVB-TXT) or some other interactive stuff (m@h) to form a channel.

I'm still thinking that DVB-C is also used in US, oh well i don't know...

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]ok that one is news to me. i was well aware of the mpeg-4 format but not that it's sent via DVB.ShadowriverUB

Looks like you have problems with ISO model basics, MPEG-4 is most higher standard in ISO digital TV tree, it is used mostly in all digital tv standards ATSC and DVB included... and it's only a video standard there also need to be sound standard (MPEG layer-2 or DD mostly, atleast in DVB), teletext (DVB-TXT) or some other interactive stuff (m@h) to form a channel.

I'm still thinking that DVB-C is also used in US, oh well i don't know...

as far as i'm aware of, the US only uses ATSC for digital and NTSC for analog transmission because it was mandated by the FCC.

as far as i'm aware of, the US only uses ATSC for digital and NTSC for analog transmission because it was mandated by the FCC.cowgriller

Ok, let's end this our little off-topic shall we? ;)

The reason 1080i is there as an option is for older crt and rp HDTVs that only support 480p/1080i. I have an older 52" rpHDTV and naturally that's the way to go for that set.

I have seen people that have a 720p set that accepts 1080i signals and then think that they should be using 1080i, and yeah, that's not gonna give the best picture.

"Set the console to your TV's native resolution instead of the biggest number you see that works" is the gist of the TC, and of course that's correct. But there are TVs out there that 1080i is in fact the correct choice.

Good thing I avoided that issue by going straight for a 1080p capable display for my PS3, in this case, an Acer P241w 24" widescreen LCD monitor with full HDMI support (which is also shared by my Windows PC as its monitor, connected via DVI).

Ahh right I was wondering why Damnation looked so awful... Brb i'm going to go check...

*Ten minutes later*

Oh thats dissapointing.....

This thread actually made me feel bad about having a 720p hdtv and not a 1080p hdtv. But until the price of a 1080p drop to $1000 and below, it will stay that wayJ_Swayze

[QUOTE="J_Swayze"]This thread actually made me feel bad about having a 720p hdtv and not a 1080p hdtv. But until the price of a 1080p drop to $1000 and below, it will stay that wayJandurin

or this year's model the G10 with deeper blacks (almost as good as a Kuro) for $1050 or the 42" model for $825.

42"

46"

comes with free image retention.

comes with free image retention.

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