Downloadable HD Movies has no future.

1) Movie industry will never allow it. They fear piracy too much.

2) ISPs will never allow it. They fear bandwidth hogs too much and already are capping monthly downloads.

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

4) Movie collectors don't like storing movies on unlimited hard drives, which can be lost if the Hard drive crashes.

5) 1080p Movies with Lossless audio (LPCM 5.1/7.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA) would be too big

6) No Extras.

Me and XBL disagree with you.

6) No Extras.

DarkBunnie

Most downloadable movies are a rental service, I don't see this being that big of a problem.

1) Movie industry will never allow it. They fear piracy too much

2) ISPs will never allow it. They fear bandwidth hogs too much and already are capping monthly downloads.

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

4) Movie collectors don't like storing movies on unlimited hard drives, which can be lost if the Hard drive crashes.

5) 1080p Movies with Lossless audio (LPCM 5.1/7.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA) would be too big

6) No Extras.

DarkBunnie

In other words, you don't know how XBL Video Marketplace works.

It all comes down to fibre-optic lines- ones countries start ditching crappy old copper lines in favour of fibreoptics thats when downloading HD Movies will be a reality- in Japan they already have 100Mb lines- think about it.CwlHeddwyn

Not just downloading, but streaming HD content will be possible with fiber optic. This is how IPTV works.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]It all comes down to fibre-optic lines- ones countries start ditching crappy old copper lines in favour of fibreoptics thats when downloading HD Movies will be a reality- in Japan they already have 100Mb lines- think about it.VoodooHak

Not just downloading, but streaming HD content will be possible with fiber optic. This is how IPTV works.

Enjoy monthly download caps. :D

Oops! You went 200 gigs over the cap. That will be 1 dollar per gig please. :D

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

DarkBunnie

because your local rental store has all the power in the movie industry

I dont see any problems with downloading movies off XBL,

In fact, I find it very covenant.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]It all comes down to fibre-optic lines- ones countries start ditching crappy old copper lines in favour of fibreoptics thats when downloading HD Movies will be a reality- in Japan they already have 100Mb lines- think about it.DarkBunnie

Not just downloading, but streaming HD content will be possible with fiber optic. This is how IPTV works.

Enjoy monthly download caps. :D

Oops! You went 200 gigs over the cap. That will be 1 dollar per gig please. :D

Lol I dont think ill be able to reach my download limit anytime soon besides you probably have dial up or DSL thats why you think its impossible, fiber optics is the future and MS with XBL and soon the IPTV service of theirs will prove you wrong.

You can download hd movies on xbox live./thread.xjet039

Maybe a market of 2 or 3 million people download off live. It may not be even that many. On the other hand 6 billion people on the planet happly purchase their content on disc. Thread open.

6,000,000,000 > 2 or 3,000,000

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]It all comes down to fibre-optic lines- ones countries start ditching crappy old copper lines in favour of fibreoptics thats when downloading HD Movies will be a reality- in Japan they already have 100Mb lines- think about it.VoodooHak

Not just downloading, but streaming HD content will be possible with fiber optic. This is how IPTV works.

I doubt he's talking about renting movies. He's speaking of buying a HD movie online and keep it in your collection. This is why XBL doesnt do this. They only allow rentals.

I was excited about this one till I tried the combat. It went from "I may buy this" to "No chance I'm buying this" in about 30 seconds. Thank god for demos. I just don't care for JRPGs... but was willing to give BD the benefit of the doubt because I like the art style. It just goes to show you looks can only take you so far, and that if the gameplay isn't fun, the game won't be worth your money.

Not that I don't see it's appeal. Just saying what I think... not trying to change anyone's mind on it or anything.

donalbane

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I love all these XBL Marketplace comments...like XBL invented movies on demand.....Downloadable movies is the future...however....not for atleast another 10 years....Our generation along with our parents generation still generally just prefer hard copies....and dialup internet is still very popular.Uptown

XBL is the king of downloads on System Wars,

Go somewhere else if you want a better answer.

[QUOTE="xjet039"]You can download hd movies on xbox live./thread.caseypayne69

Maybe a market of 2 or 3 million people download off live. It may not be even that many. On the other hand 6 billion people on the planet happly purchase their content on disc. Thread open.

6,000,000,000 > 2 or 3,000,000

Isn't the PS3 getting video marketplace so....

/thread again.

>> Downloadable HD Movies has no future

It probably won't compete with *buying* the movies. But it will surely give rental services a run for their money since you can watch trailers first - before renting online - and then you don't even have to go out to either get it or deliver it back.

Personally I'm amazed that we haven't ditched physical formats like DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray yet. If you had asked me 2 years ago I would say that DVD will be the last physical standard format ever for movies. There's really no need for them at all if you have a decent broadband connection. And the movie companies are loosening up now; just look at the lineup on Xbox live.

I was excited about this one till I tried the combat. It went from "I may buy this" to "No chance I'm buying this" in about 30 seconds. Thank god for demos. I just don't care for JRPGs... but was willing to give BD the benefit of the doubt because I like the art style. It just goes to show you looks can only take you so far, and that if the gameplay isn't fun, the game won't be worth your money.

Not that I don't see it's appeal. Just saying what I think... not trying to change anyone's mind on it or anything.

donalbane

I think ur in the wrong thread...

>> Downloadable HD Movies has no future

It probably won't compete with *buying* the movies. But it will surely give rental services a run for their money since you can watch trailers first - before renting online - and then you don't even have to go out to either get it or deliver it back.

Personally I'm amazed that we haven't ditched physical formats like DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray yet. If you had asked me 2 years ago I would say that DVD will be the last physical standard format ever for movies. There's really no need for them at all if you have a decent broadband connection. And the movie companies are loosening up now; just look at the lineup on Xbox live.

McCool69

People will always buy movies on disk, that's no argument,

But downloading will take a big chunk out of that marketshare, and will continue to grow.

download speeds will improve , hard discs will get bigger.

i strongly disagree. the ease of use is incredible.

1) Movie industry will never allow it. They fear piracy too much.

2) ISPs will never allow it. They fear bandwidth hogs too much and already are capping monthly downloads.

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

4) Movie collectors don't like storing movies on unlimited hard drives, which can be lost if the Hard drive crashes.

5) 1080p Movies with Lossless audio (LPCM 5.1/7.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA) would be too big

6) No Extras.

DarkBunnie

Uummm.. what are you talking about? Movie studios are signing on to XBox Live movie rental service left and right. Movie studios are makinglots of moneyfrom this you know. It's basically just like having a rental store in your home. T.V. studios like ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc... have all signed on to put programs on XBox Live for download and HD viewing. So T.V. and Movie studios are already allowing it. Rental stores can't do anything about it. Most people are not keeping these movies and T.V. on their hard drives for long. They watch the movie for a week and then it's removed. If you have HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, Encore, etc.. in HD, you don't even need to download these movies. Just TIVO or DVR them. You can keep them on your TIVO box forever.

how do rental stores have a say in if its gonna have a future or not.johnusabeis

I see local Blockbusters get shut down all the time.

I think that eventually we'll see workable movie downloads, but I strongly agree that there will always be a place for solid media formats like tapes and discs. Movie collectors will always want to physically own movies that they can keep on shelves.Timstuff

I use to think that way. But now, instead of wasting my money on expensive blu ray or hd-dvd movies, i rent from netflix or from xboxLive Marketplace. Movie collections sound great, but they really just end up collecting dust and waisting your money when you only watch most of them once or twice. But having movies available to your whim available to download as a rental is very much appealing to me.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]It all comes down to fibre-optic lines- ones countries start ditching crappy old copper lines in favour of fibreoptics thats when downloading HD Movies will be a reality- in Japan they already have 100Mb lines- think about it.DarkBunnie

Not just downloading, but streaming HD content will be possible with fiber optic. This is how IPTV works.

Enjoy monthly download caps. :D

Oops! You went 200 gigs over the cap. That will be 1 dollar per gig please. :D

Get a decent ISP then buddy. These futureless download services are doing better than blu-ray.

[QUOTE="johnusabeis"]how do rental stores have a say in if its gonna have a future or not.Douja555

I see local Blockbusters get shut down all the time.

1) Movie industry will never allow it. They fear piracy too much.

2) ISPs will never allow it. They fear bandwidth hogs too much and already are capping monthly downloads.

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

4) Movie collectors don't like storing movies on unlimited hard drives, which can be lost if the Hard drive crashes.

5) 1080p Movies with Lossless audio (LPCM 5.1/7.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA) would be too big

6) No Extras.

DarkBunnie

the RIAA said pretty much the same thing about mp3's and look how that turned out.

Get a decent ISP then buddy. These futureless download services are doing better than blu-ray.

hazuki87

Ever been in many parts of rural America? Theres usually only one ISP that offers decent bandwidth (Comcast) and they aren't exactly known for living up to their claims of "unlimited access".

downloading HD movies will probably be the standard in the future, at the very least 5 years from now. we dont have the bandwidth speeds currently, or the proper hard drive spaces for them. not to mention right now that the majority of people still prefer having hard copies of movies (recent polls have said.)

also, the xbox live marketplace offers an "HD-lite" version of these movies honestly. 720p without the better audio/video features is okay, but pales in comparison to the blu-ray/hd-dvd specs of the same movies. the xbox live versions may only take a few gigs of space, but the best HD versions would take far more space.

The US is already falling way behind, which is why your Congress is openly debating measures to drastically improve next gen :) true hi-speed broadband service.

It is already available many other places.

But there is hope for the US:

Comcast Corp. Chief Executive Brian Roberts dazzled a cable industry audience Tuesday, showing off for the first time in public new technology that enabled a data download speed of 150 megabits per second, or roughly 25 times faster than today's standard cable modems.

The technology, called DOCSIS 3.0, was developed by the cable industry's research arm, Cable Television Laboratories. Instead of using one TV channel to transmit data, it uses four.

The laboratory said last month it expected manufacturers to begin submitting modems for certification under the standard by the end of the year.

In the presentation, ARRIS Group Inc. chief executive Robert Stanzione downloaded a 30-second, 300-megabyte television commercial in a few seconds and watched it long before a standard modem worked through an estimated download time of 16 minutes.

Stanzione also downloaded the 32-volume Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007 and Merriam-Webster's visual dictionary in under four minutes, when it would have taken a standard modem three hours and 12 minutes.

"If you look at what just happened, 55 million words, 100,000 articles, more than 22,000 pictures, maps and more than 400 video clips," Roberts said. "The same download on dial-up would have taken two weeks."

"Cable continues to lead the competition," Roberts said. "We've only just begun, from 6 megabits today to 150 or whatever megabits tomorrow."

Roberts wouldn't commit to an actual time frame for the availability of a wideband service. But he said that it would likely hit the streets in "less than a couple of years."

"That was real. Everything you saw was real. It's near-term," he added. "I think it is hopefully a reminder that we have an incredible future of innovation ahead. And personally, I think broadband penetration is going to go way higher than anybody ever imagined."

At the investor conference last week, Werner said he expects DOCSIS 3.0 equipment to be significantly cheaper than current cable-modem systems on a cost-per-bit basis.

Based on Comcast's early range of equipment estimates, DOCSIS 3.0 gear will cost 70% less per subscriber than 2.0 equipment to deliver the same 6-mbps bandwidth tier. In addition, a 100-mbps tier delivered with DOCSIS 3.0 headend equipment would be roughly the same cost as today's 6-mbps tier, according to Werner.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070509/fast_cable_modem.html?.v=2

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6440334.html

720p is the current standard for hi-def media. As time passes, bandwidth and storage will allow for 1080p to become the new standard. Downloadable content IS the future.musicalmac

[QUOTE="hazuki87"]

Get a decent ISP then buddy. These futureless download services are doing better than blu-ray.

Runningflame570

Ever been in many parts of rural America? Theres usually only one ISP that offers decent bandwidth (Comcast) and they aren't exactly known for living up to their claims of "unlimited access".

A solution. Movie dist could sell physical packages, but with a download card instead of a disc. That way, you can still have packaging, physical back up (the card if you need to re-download.), and no need to have specific media disc player. Piracy is still an issue, but I'm sure that can be managed.Darthmatt

no. back in the mid-1990's when divx was fighting the dvd forum to see which of the two would the predecessor to vhs, divx implemented something similar to what you said. the consumer would go to the store, pay full price for the disc (about $30-$40 at the time), make sure a phone line is connected to the back of their divx standalone units and rent for a nominal fee a licence to play a movie that they just legally purchased and should have the full rights to. the biggest backer to the divx format was disney. they don't want people to own their movies, only to pay them a rental fee every time they want to see it. disney also created the self-destructing dvd in which after the first play, the information layer on the dvd would decay in 24 hours rendering the dvd useless.

while downloadable movies will be the standard one day, it will not be soon. not everyone has the ability to get a high speed modem. people in rural areas for instance, can't get dsl because they will be too far away from the phone providers hq. they can't get cable modem because in all likelihood, the cable company hasn't laid out fiber to their area. satellite modems are to expensive when you compare price and speed to other alternatives.

being that i live in nyc, i have cable modem. i download movies from xbl all the time, just yesterday i was watching the queen (great movie btw), but i prefer to have an actual physical medium that contains the movie. if the hdd craps out, or the servers go down, or the provider looses your info, those movies are lost to you forever. however, if you own the disc, you can watch it whenever, make copies of it, and put the movies one your ipod or zune like i do.

the mpaa has the right to protect their ip's from pirates but not if they interfer or cause stress to the average user who has done nothing wrong. for example, sony bmg's root kits on the cd's, bd+, and arcoss interfer with the average user even if they try to put a copy of thir legally purchased movie on their portable (btw, all three are from sony). that is why managed copy should be implemented in all mediums. this allows the user to put a copy of the movie on their portable and make copies of the movies (fail-safes) but not allow pirating. it is very hard to do both at once but hopefully somone will find out a way.

Yeah, I'm sure this is NEVER going to change, 50 years from now it's still going to be hard copies.....I wish people would use the term, "NEVER" in it's true context, of course, the TC, not you, used the term, but you seem to be agreeing with him.
Wemhim256

Its unlikely to change for the next decade at the least considering the US's tendency to support 30-yearold technology (we just recently dropped the original Cell phone signal for those two people who were still using them at that point), the poor enforcement of anti-trust regulations, and the wider geographical area.

Do you have any idea how long it took just to get a decent fiber system running in the States? To get fiber to all or nearly all the homes in the US will probably take decades if anybody other than Verizon even bothers with the expense.

While Digital distribution is no paperless office its certainly not going to take over anytime in the near future like people have been saying for nearly the last decade now.

you dont seem to have thought your reasons through - just like on the Itunes music store, they can encrypt films so they are only viewable by the person who paid for them.

in a few years bandwidth will be forced to be much higher than it is now, so there is no problem there.

rental stores have no authority over media publishers.

back up your hard drive

again, in the future hard drives will be bigger by standard. remember a few years ago when 20GB was, like, insanely big?

no extras? not nececarily. they could just be bundled with the film.

[QUOTE="Wemhim256"]Yeah, I'm sure this is NEVER going to change, 50 years from now it's still going to be hard copies.....I wish people would use the term, "NEVER" in it's true context, of course, the TC, not you, used the term, but you seem to be agreeing with him.
Runningflame570

Its unlikely to change for the next decade at the least considering the US's tendency to support 30-yearold technology (we just recently dropped the original Cell phone signal for those two people who were still using them at that point), the poor enforcement of anti-trust regulations, and the wider geographical area.

Do you have any idea how long it took just to get a decent fiber system running in the States? To get fiber to all or nearly all the homes in the US will probably take decades if anybody other than Verizon even bothers with the expense.

While Digital distribution is no paperless office its certainly not going to take over anytime in the near future like people have been saying for nearly the last decade now.

1) Movie industry will never allow it. They fear piracy too much.

2) ISPs will never allow it. They fear bandwidth hogs too much and already are capping monthly downloads.

3) Rental stores will never allow it.

4) Movie collectors don't like storing movies on unlimited hard drives, which can be lost if the Hard drive crashes.

5) 1080p Movies with Lossless audio (LPCM 5.1/7.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA) would be too big

6) No Extras.

DarkBunnie

Digital Distribution is going to increase dramatically in the next few years , get use to it.