Dragon Age II is as good as The Witcher 2, and better than The Witcher.

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In this thread I will try my best to express my opinion about Dragon Age II and The Witcher series in the least biased way I can. Even though I will by labeled a BioDrone by the majority who read this, because, chances are, there will be posts that say I'm forcing my opinion on others. Well, if you think that, I'd advise you to go fill a hypocrisy test because you just might score perfectly.

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What do you think of Dragon Age II and the Witcher series ?

I'm glad you asked. Dragon Age II is a good game. There is no denying that there is missed potential and that the game was rushed (Not that taking your time helped some of the developers *cough*polyphonydigitalgearboxsoftwarerandomlinejusttoconfuseyouremedyentertainment*cough*), BioWare took their time with DA:O and a great game was made.

From what I have seen over various forums, a lot of people who...ehem, "dislike" Dragon Age II do it simply because others do and they almost always have no idea what are they talking about and randomly spew other people's hate words. I'd compare them to Justin Bieber and Twilight haters ( Take that Maroxad ! ), while there might be reasons for hate, most people who do are doing it out of a sense of requierment because their buddies do it.

I think Dragon Age II is better in some aspects than DA:O, but worse in others. The artstyl e (Excuse me, GameSpot is being retarded again) has recieved a makeover, which I think wasn't necessary, but so be it. For example, the Qunari recieved horns, even though some think this was done just to make them look cooler, it's actually in DA:O's lore, let me refer you to Ogres that are born from Qunari broodmothers (upper paragraph, case in point). Techincal graphics are better, no point in denying, I still prefer DA:O's look but this thread isn't about DA:O, it's about The Witcher series and DAII, so I won't mention it any more. The question is how do Dragon Age II's graphics compare to The Witcher and The Witcher 2. The Witcher has worse graphics than Dragon Age II, this isn't a point for anyone's victory ( a game winning over another, that would be silly, now wouldn't it ? ) because Dragon Age II came out in 2011, compared to the Witcher which came out in 2007 ( 2008 for the Enhanced Edition ). The Witcher 2 is the most eye-pleasing game I have ever seen, but that's where most of it's charm lies. CD Projekt Red knows that presentation and first impressions are very important, you wouldn't eat the world's most delicious pizza if it looked like a bloodied sheet, but chances are you'd eat a cockroach if it was present as a chocolate stick. I'm not saying graphics are the only thing The Witcher 2 has, but who wouldn't mind rolling on the ground for the umpteenth freakin' time avoiding all those enemies if the game looks pretty.

The Witcher's gameplay is perhaps unique, on the other hand it's a bloody rhythm game. The Signs are nice but the swordplay is one huge ball of meh. Also, why can't the silver sword kill both humans and monsters ( Oh I forgot, both swords are for monsters. This game is deeeeeep, by the way ) ? I have read Blood of Elves and The Last Wish and I don't recall it being mentioned in there either. The alchemy was nicely done, even though they screwed it up in The Witcher 2, am I supposed to drink potions every couple of minutes expecting a fight to come by ?

Dragon Age II's gameplay is a bit worse than DA:O's ( last time, I swear ), I don't understand why different immediately means bad, but if they kept it exactly the same people would scream :"REHASH !!!" so I guess people would complain about everything eventually, no matter what it is. Despite what most people say the gameplay doesn't require any less skill and is in certain aspects more tactical than DA:O ( Ok, ok ! I'll stop ). Think of archery, where you stand matters, or the way tanks move, whereas in DA:O (...) they moved like blind idiots with one leg controlled by a moron with two dislocated elbows. "Required skill" is a very relative term becase, just like in The Witcher and DA:O the combat is what you make out of it. You could choose nightmare setting, be careful about friendly fire, manage your team wisely and the game suddenly requires skill, or you could play DA:O, set it on easy, have Shale taunt and just have Wynne use Force Field on her while Morrigan spams Blood Wound. Same with The Witcher 2, it could be a rollfest with one hit attacks un till you have to roll again, till you get the group finishers which are freakin' overpowered or you could play the game on the hardest difficulty, use alchemy, riposte, etc.

I very much liked the music in all 3 games and since this is probably the most subjective thing there is, I won't say anything more. Dragon Age II has the best voice acting out of all 3 of the games, and if you think Dragon Age II has bad voice acting, well then you better believe that The Witcher series has bloody terrible voice acting because you will be the winner of the annual hypocrisy championship. First place prize : Your face will be coated in honey and you will be hanged by your feet over an anthill ( Courtesy of Iorveth ).

CD Projekt Red aren't as creative as a lot of people might think. In case you feel a sleep 3 paragraphs ago, I mentioned two books ( Those things with a lot of paper and words), Blood of Elves (first novel in a series of five) and The Last Wish ( a short story collection), by the Polish author Andrzej Sapkowski, which is what The Witcher is based upon. For a lot of people, the most important thing about RPGs is the game world, the story, the characters and overall writing. There is nothing wrong with games being derived from books or movies ( just kidding about the movies part), but you can't really give them credit for most of the characters and lore, and judging by their other work they aren't exactly very original ( Checkout "They" ).

I keep hearing how CD Projekt Red are the best developers ever because they give free DLC, but shouldn't someone be labeled a good developer if they, you know, develop games ( I'm, of course, not saying they don't develop games ) instead of marketing ? I said it before and I will say it again, CDPR will be lynched by PC gamers as soon as they get bought by a bigger company, just like Ubisoft was lynched for AC2 having DRM and like BioWare is being now.

The stories were all well done and I enjoyed them all. The Witcher has some nice twists and mindfuccs, Dragon Age II breaks the BioWare cliches and the Witcher 2 has a very intriguing plot. Character writing was better in Dragon Age II, the characters are all well written with nice backstories and good dialogues whereas everyone in The Witcher series who isn't Geralt, Triss, Shanni, Iorveth, Roche or Ves is a racist bastard who's every second word involves some method of swearing. The game worlds are somewhat similar, in the sense that both are "dark" fantasy.

In conclusion I think my title says it all.

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What do Gamespot and other reviewers think about Dragon Age II and the Witcher series ?

Well, GameSpot thinks that DAII is an 8, The Witcher 2 a 9 and The Witcher an 8.5 . Metacritic says that DAII is an 82, The Witcher 2 an 88 and The Witcher an 81.

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What does System Wars think ?

System Wars thinks that Dragon Age II is an abomination, Sony is doomed, The Witcher 2 along with every PC exclusive is a gift from God, my Mom is fat and that I should probably kill myself. But it doesn't matter. I said what needed to be said.

Hope you enjoyed reading it.

In the spoilers is the TL : DR version.

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tl;dr

you wrote an essay on how stupid your are. How convenient.

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Haiyama

[QUOTE="Haiyama"]

tl;dr

svenus97

Well aren't you a retard for wasting your time typing something that 99% of system wars won't read?

I thought Dragon Age 2 was a pretty decent game and didn't deserve all the hate. However it did take some large noticeable steps back from the original and I believe that is the source of the hate.

As for the Witcher 2, in my opinion it is superior to Dragon Age 2 in almost every way, The combat, the story, the atmosphere, the loot. I can't think of a single thing Dragon Age 2 does better or as well. So I'll have to disagree with you there. I couldn't care less what is original, what is copied, what is taken from the developers bottom. Aslong as the game works and I enjoy it in the appropriate ways...I simply do not care.

Most of your points are, indeed, completely subjective. The "strong points" you try to give in favor of DA2 are particularly weak, though, and just sound like "DA2 is just as good as TW because I say it is". Good for you; as for myself, being a fan of Bioware, and having taken immense pleasure playing BG2, KOTOR 1&2, ME1 & 2 and DA : O, I have to say that both Wticher games take a huge dump on DA2. The latter has poor writing, terrible art, empty and repetitive environments, combat that changed little from DA : O and yet manages to feel ten times worse, and a boring story.

FYI I'm not a Bioware-hate bandwagon member; I'm actually part of those people who think ME2 was great fun, even though I regret the absence of some RPG mechanics.

But in the end, I think DA2, as a Bioware game, is undefendable. You shouldn't waste your time comparing this game to TW games.

Sorry, it had to be done...

But seriously, I will admit that Dragon Age II isn't as bad as everyone seems to say (I did play it three times to completion, once for eachcla$s The characters were pretty good and the story beats were decent. The overall story wasn't told very well, though, and your motivations for much of the game were beyond weak.

It just fell apart in the reuse of areas, the sameness of quests - all signs of a rushed development. NeoGaf named it Sh*t-mountain for a reason, everything was grey and brown and ugly. The updatedart designsweren't bad in most cases, but a lot of the other decisions, from useless junk loot cluttering the inventory to dumbed down inventories entirely (no companion armor other than preset pieces) to pop-in waves of enemies in battles...just lazy stuff. It reeks of them clipping things to reach that end date, and so simplifying the end product that it only resembled the previous game in the most superficial of ways.

The Witcher 1 has some problems, mostly in terms of pacing in the early goings and the entire weak swamp section (and middling combat throughout) but its characters and story are something interesting in a sea of generic WRPGs and many of its concepts, from the crazy use and crafting of potions to the idea of sword stances for enemy types were kind of neat.

And The Witcher 2 is just plain godddamn awesome. It looks better than Dragon Age II, plays better than Dragon Age II, and is something that would easily win out against Skyrim if not for that game's sheer size and scope (and even then you could find compelling story and character and pacing reasons for why The Witcher 2 is a better game). In no world is Dragon Age 2 as good as The Witcher II.

Dargon age 2 isn't better than anything.

Maybe if you compare it to bargain bin shovelware, but thats the only way you could mention that game in a positive light.

Most of your points are, indeed, completely subjective. The "strong points" you try to give in favor of DA2 are particularly weak, though, and just sound like "DA2 is just as good as TW because I say it is". Good for you; as for myself, being a fan of Bioware, and having taken immense pleasure playing BG2, KOTOR 1&2, ME1 & 2 and DA : O, I have to say that both Wticher games take a huge dump on DA2. The latter has poor writing, terrible art, empty and repetitive environments, combat that changed little from DA : O and yet manages to feel ten times worse, and a boring story.

FYI I'm not a Bioware-hate bandwagon member; I'm actually part of those people who think ME2 was great fun, even though I regret the absence of some RPG mechanics.

But in the end, I think DA2, as a Bioware game, is undefendable. You shouldn't waste your time comparing this game to TW games.

milannoir

Care to clarify on the :"..."DA2 is just as good as TW because I say it is"

Haven't played either game but I have a feeling that DAII is not as bad as people say and TW2 is probably given a bit too much praise. But I have no idea.

I agree about the voice-acting part, at least. Still the voices come off as more annoying to me than those of The Witcher 2 because I hate the characters themselves.

i agree, liked dragon age 2, liked witcher 2

No

Yeah,I´m sure you believe that.

"Dragon Age II is as good as The Witcher 2, and better than The Witcher."

"Dragon Age II is as good as The Witcher 2, and better than The Witcher."

Peredith

Awwww :) You quoted me in your sig. That's so sweet, how about you read the post now :)

Well many games are better than The Witcher (shouldn't have ever bought it >:O ) idk about 2 though

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="Haiyama"]

tl;dr

Haiyama

Well aren't you a retard for wasting your time typing something that 99% of system wars won't read?

True story. This is a forum of lazy people.

Oh God, just as the Skyrim vs. Dark Souls threads were dying down and the Skyrim vs. The Witcher (2) debate was on the rise, we get this.

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"Dragon Age II is as good as The Witcher 2, and better than The Witcher."

svenus97

Awwww :) You quoted me in your sig. That's so sweet, how about you read the post now :)

I've played both games. Comparing Dragon Age 2 to The Witcher 2 is insulting. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuEamLsr8Qk WATCH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!chilly-chill

For me the problem with DA II was how everything was changed. The events are happening at the same time as DA: Origins and yet it might as well be another universe figuratively speaking. A party not customizable to the player was maybe the biggest slap to the face imo. The combat was about the only thing I did like about the game even though it was maybe a bit too much. The party-members were boring and lacked the character the ones in Origins had, the dungeons was copy/pasted and on top of it all the game was practically riddled with bugs which is kind of amazing when thinking of how small the game was, but of course again fully understandable when they spent what? A year on it. The greatest thing in Origins was to see the results/consequences of the choices the player made throughout the game both big and even small things mattered, then DA II gives us a cliffhanger.....great. I for one am not holding my breath in anticipation of DA III.

This comes not from someone who is repeating the hatred of others, but a genuine opinion from someone that spent countless hours on Origins and got seriously dissapointed when finishing the second game which btw was over in no time compared to the first. I'm glad it did find an audience and people have a right to love it, just as people have a right to hate it, I'm just sad it didn't captivate the majority of the audience that loved origins.

I felt like a garbage man playing that game, unlike DA Origins where your an awesome Grey Warden.chilly-chill

Such magnificently false claims bring joy to my heart. System Wars is alive and kicking.

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]I felt like a garbage man playing that game, unlike DA Origins where your an awesome Grey Warden.svenus97

Okay fine, but do you think DA2 is better than Origins?chilly-chill

Go to bed Hamburger Helper. SAGE_OF_FIRE

I have no idea what you said, I assume it's another user ?svenus97

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[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="chilly-chill"]I felt like a garbage man playing that game, unlike DA Origins where your an awesome Grey Warden.skrat_01

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]I felt like a garbage man playing that game, unlike DA Origins where your an awesome Grey Warden.svenus97

DAO was cliched. DA2 was unfocused.

[QUOTE="svenus97"] I have no idea what you said, I assume it's another user ?Arach666

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I saw her pic in another thread and already talked about it there, so I'll just say I doubt The Witcher writes are sex gods.

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]Okay fine, but do you think DA2 is better than Origins?svenus97

Go to bed Hamburger Helper. SAGE_OF_FIRE

No...Just no.....Don't do this. I maybe a bioware fan but their is no way I can say DA2 is asgood as W2 with a a straight face. It's not. It a baddly done game ...Get over it.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="chilly-chill"]I felt like a garbage man playing that game, unlike DA Origins where your an awesome Grey Warden.Lionheart08

DAO was cliched. DA2 was unfocused.

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="chilly-chill"] No, I think Origins is better. I also think that DA II gets way too much hate for the things it does wrong and zero praise for things it does right. [QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Go to bed Hamburger Helper. chilly-chill

Making the most attractive female in the series your younger sister. :evil:

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"][QUOTE="svenus97"] I have no idea what you said, I assume it's another user ?Lionheart08

Making the most attractive female in the series your younger sister. :evil:

No...Just no.....Don't do this. I maybe a bioware fan but their is no way I can say DA2 is asgood as W2 with a a straight face. It's not. It a baddly done game ...Get over it.

dreman999