DVD9 REALLY IS limiting the content of games - its a fact

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#1 Cali3350
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I mean, just look at the Orange box. HL2 + EP1 + EP2 + TF2 + Portal. Thats ONLY five games on one disc. Pitiful!
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I mean, just look at the Orange box. HL2 + EP1 + EP2 + TF2 + Portal. Thats ONLY five games on one disc. Pitiful!Cali3350
:lol: very true
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#3 DivergeUnify
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I know, with blu-ray you could fit 50 games on disc with 20 hours of content each. Just look at Heavenly Sword. Oh wait...
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#5 Hitamaru-homia
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360 doesnt use DVD9 it uses Dvd-dl which is 8.5 gigs. HL2 portal and team Fortress are some big games. Team Fortest 2 looks like a promising online multiplayer ^^ even tho like 1 million of its player left TF1... and its like 25 people who play it now xD
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#6 cobrax75
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I agree with your point....

but its not actually 5 games.....only one of them is actually a full game...and Half Life 2 takes up very little space considering the length and detail of the game.

+its important to note that they all use the same engine.

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I know, with blu-ray you could fit 50 games on disc with 20 hours of content each. Just look at Heavenly Sword. Oh wait...DivergeUnify

:lol:

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#8 rdo
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lair 20+ gigs scores a 4.5. warhawk at less than 1 gig scores 8. who cares if it limits content as long as it dosn't limit quality. quality is better than quanity.
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#9 RedMarzBoy
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Dreamcast fans said the same thing about DVDs last gen. Bluray is not necessary just like DVDs aren't either, but they are better in the long run. 
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in the end: true
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#11 Riki101
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why does iD's RAGE ship on two DVD's?

games wont last on DVD9 forever

R-Dot-Yung

no one is expecting it to last forever, just untill 2010
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#12 Riki101
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Dreamcast fans said the same thing about DVDs last gen. Bluray is not necessary just like DVDs aren't either, but they are better in the long run.RedMarzBoy


DC fans were dumb i guese, ps1 had games with 6 discs thats more then what a DC disc can hold (1GB), so DVD was needed.....


show me a game thats on multiple discs on ps2 or xbox, and thats GOOD.... you cant, so DVD9 is good enough for now
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#13 Erkidu
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why does iD's RAGE ship on two DVD's?

games wont last on DVD9 forever

R-Dot-Yung
Who said anything about them lasting "forever"?
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#14 Hat_Damage
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why does iD's RAGE ship on two DVD's?

games wont last on DVD9 forever

R-Dot-Yung

they will last untill Blu-Ray or HD-DVD become standerd, and i dont see that happening any time soon

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#15 tyrant554
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Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

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yep, blooray's teh future, just look at heavenly flop...oh wait :lol:
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[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"]Dreamcast fans said the same thing about DVDs last gen. Bluray is not necessary just like DVDs aren't either, but they are better in the long run.Riki101


DC fans were dumb i guese, ps1 had games with 6 discs thats more then what a DC disc can hold (1GB), so DVD was needed.....


show me a game thats on multiple discs on ps2 or xbox, and thats GOOD.... you cant, so DVD9 is good enough for now

i dont know if you consider it good, but star ocean was 2 disks for PS2

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why does iD's RAGE ship on two DVD's?

games wont last on DVD9 forever

R-Dot-Yung

When most games ship on one disc, is Blu-Ray needed? No. Two discs, maybe but not really. Three or more, yes.

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I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.
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Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

tyrant554

I'm sure if Blue Dragon was 4 hours long it would take 1 disc, too.

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I know, with blu-ray you could fit 50 games on disc with 20 hours of content each. Just look at Heavenly Sword. Oh wait...DivergeUnify

XD

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Haha. I was about to bring up Mass Effect, but then saw i didnt need to. Nice Thread!
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I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.bman784
We may not appreciate it here in America. But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.
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[QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.RedMarzBoy
We may not appreciate it here in America. But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.

What? :|

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[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"]Dreamcast fans said the same thing about DVDs last gen. Bluray is not necessary just like DVDs aren't either, but they are better in the long run.Riki101


DC fans were dumb i guese, ps1 had games with 6 discs thats more then what a DC disc can hold (1GB), so DVD was needed.....


show me a game thats on multiple discs on ps2 or xbox, and thats GOOD.... you cant, so DVD9 is good enough for now

content =/= game length.
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#26 Idontremember
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Limited storage capacity. Thats why I think the 360 should get a firmware update to support HD VMD.

For the most of you who have no freaking idea what da hell i'm talking about. GOOGLE...

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[QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.RedMarzBoy
We may not appreciate it here in America. But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.

I don't think any Japanese person is going to buy a import of Heavenly Sword from America.

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[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"][QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.thirstychainsaw

We may not appreciate it here in America.But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.

What? :|

Well, we live in a global economy now. We may not care about playing Heavenly Sword in Italian or Spanish, but gamers in Italy or Spain will think that's the coolest thing ever. Not to mention that it makes business sense too.
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[QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.RedMarzBoy
We may not appreciate it here in America. But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.


Because games are only produced in one language, and people who don't speak English are just supposed to fill in the pieces. No wonder people don't buy Xbox games in Japan in Europe. They don't speak English! I'd analyze that statement a bit more closely.
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"][QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.RedMarzBoy

We may not appreciate it here in America.But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.

What? :|

Well, we live in a global economy now. We may not care about playing Heavenly Sword in Italian or Spanish, but gamers in Italy or Spain will think that's the coolest thing ever. Not to mention that it makes business sense too.

No...a game is released on multiple languages...its just that if you buy the English DVD you're not going to get the Spanish voice overs and vice versa :|

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[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"][QUOTE="bman784"]I know. Blu ray can hold Heavenly Sword! An unheard of 6 hours of game and 10 gigs of audio data, including every language from ancient Babylonian to Klingon. Now that is true power.bman784
We may not appreciate it here in America. But any where else in world they really think it's cool that they can play a game in their own language. That's one of the reasons why the PS does so good in pal countries.


Because games are only produced in one language, and people who don't speak English are just supposed to fill in the pieces. No wonder people don't buy Xbox games in Japan in Europe. They don't speak English! I'd analyze that statement a bit more closely.

I know a lot ofthe games supports French in Canada, but a lot of the times, the voice acting just scares da ?$%& out of me.

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#32 kingtito
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Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

tyrant554

Oh really.....and you have proof of this???

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#33 Idontremember
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[QUOTE="tyrant554"]

Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

kingtito

Oh really.....and you have proof of this???

Actually, Blue Dragon is really on 3 disks, and Epic said that the DVD dual-layer was indeed a limitation

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What? :|

thirstychainsaw

Well, we live in a global economy now. We may not care about playing Heavenly Sword in Italian or Spanish, but gamers in Italy or Spain will think that's the coolest thing ever. Not to mention that it makes business sense too.

No...a game is released on multiple languages...its just that if you buy the English DVD you're not going to get the Spanish voice overs and vice versa :|

Most games are in Japanese and English only. And outside of game manuals most games for the rest of the world are mostly in English. I went to stay im Mexico my first summer semester of college, and I can tell you that's how it was there.  Even most movies that are not block busters are in English only with sub titles when they're in the movie theater.
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HL2 is a 3 year old game though...
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Mass Effect one disc; that is all.
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#37 Snake_Plisken88
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Limited storage capacity. Thats why I think the 360 should get a firmware update to support HD VMD.

For the most of you who have no freaking idea what da hell i'm talking about. GOOGLE...

Idontremember

That sounds like a great option if they can make it work.

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#38 Silent_Mills
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are people happy with 3 year old games running on current technology, really?

I want new games on my top of the line game console....

HL2 is outdated in terms of visuals, face it. We should be using current games as a benchmark for how much storage space we need, rather than games from 3 years ago...

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]Most games are in Japanese and English only. And outside of game manuals most games for the rest of the world are mostly in English. I went to stay im Mexico my first summer semester of college, and I can tell you that's how it was there. Even most movies that are not block busters are in English only with sub titles when they're in the movie theater.RedMarzBoy

That may be true but a game being on Blu-Ray isn't magically going to have voice overs of more languages.

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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="tyrant554"]

Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

Idontremember

Oh really.....and you have proof of this???

Actually, Blue Dragon is really on 3 disks, and Epic said that the DVD dual-layer was indeed a limitation

I asked for proof not your opinion.

Fact - Mass Effect 1 DVD

Hmmm limitations of DVD huh.....I think not

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#41 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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I mean, just look at the Orange box. HL2 + EP1 + EP2 + TF2 + Portal. Thats ONLY five games on one disc. Pitiful!Cali3350

yea C&C first decade would be a better example, too badOrange boxand C&C 1st decade all the gamesalone could fitona CD....

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#42 Idontremember
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[QUOTE="Idontremember"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="tyrant554"]

Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

kingtito

Oh really.....and you have proof of this???

Actually, Blue Dragon is really on 3 disks, and Epic said that the DVD dual-layer was indeed a limitation

I asked for proof not your opinion.

Fact - Mass Effect 1 DVD

Hmmm limitations of DVD huh.....I think not

Just go on google and find it yourself lazy *&/*&/*.

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[QUOTE="Idontremember"]

Limited storage capacity. Thats why I think the 360 should get a firmware update to support HD VMD.

For the most of you who have no freaking idea what da hell i'm talking about. GOOGLE...

Snake_Plisken88

That sounds like a great option if they can make it work.

I read somewhere that since its the same red laser as dvd, pcs only need a firware update to make them work on regular DVD players.

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Blue Dragon, took what 3 Discs ? :lol:

Also UT3 wont have every map in it because of lack of disc size, so they will be downloadable content :lol:

tyrant554

Again... the only reason why BD took up 3 discs was because the cutscenes were not rendered in realtime. If they were, it would fit on one disc. Thanks for playing, try again. :|

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Am i the only person who thinks 9 Gb is still freaking huge? or is there something I am missing
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#47 Snake_Plisken88
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[QUOTE="Snake_Plisken88"][QUOTE="Idontremember"]

Limited storage capacity. Thats why I think the 360 should get a firmware update to support HD VMD.

For the most of you who have no freaking idea what da hell i'm talking about. GOOGLE...

Idontremember

That sounds like a great option if they can make it work.

I read somewhere that since its the same red laser as dvd, pcs only need a firware update to make them work on regular DVD players.

Sounds cool, I bet they can go with that and there areprobably more options than we dont know about that they can go with. I mean it's not like Microsoft doesn't plan for the future, they got cash and connections, they will make something happen, so this "the 360 is not going to make it because of DVD 9 or game will be dumb down" talk will be pretty much useless.

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#48 Idontremember
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[QUOTE="Idontremember"][QUOTE="Snake_Plisken88"][QUOTE="Idontremember"]

Limited storage capacity. Thats why I think the 360 should get a firmware update to support HD VMD.

For the most of you who have no freaking idea what da hell i'm talking about. GOOGLE...

Snake_Plisken88

That sounds like a great option if they can make it work.

I read somewhere that since its the same red laser as dvd, pcs only need a firware update to make them work on regular DVD players.

Sounds cool, I bet they can go with that and there areprobably more options than we dont know about that they can go with. I mean it's not like Microsoft doesn't plan for the future, they got cash and connections, they will make something happen, so this "the 360 is not going to make it because of DVD 9 or game will be dumb down" talk will be pretty much useless.

One thing I just remember that might block this idea. They are part of the HD DVD camp.

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#49 thelastguy
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Am i the only person who thinks 9 Gb is still freaking huge? or is there something I am missing BraveSirRobin21

9GB is nothing anymore. I mean hell apple just came out with a 160GB iPod

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#50 JAMES_L_BROOKS
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Am i the only person who thinks 9 Gb is still freaking huge? or is there something I am missing BraveSirRobin21

your missing something

PGR4 (8.5GB)

GT5 (more than 8.5GB)

dont be a fanboy and say PGR looks better than GT5, bcz ill have to get screenshots...and you will cry...lol