DX 10 Futere for Microsoft / what about sony

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#1 D3ADMaggot911
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Well i was thinking that Microsoft has the Rights to DX10
and so Microsofts Next Console will probly have DX 10

But What About Sony?

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#2 martin_f
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Blu X10?
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#3 Meu2k7
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OpenGL 3 ... which is some ways is better, so Ive heard anyway.
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open GL...which is bassiclly just as good.
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Sony has badazz flyin' dragonzzz!
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#6 D3ADMaggot911
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OpenGL 3 ... which is some ways is better, so Ive heard anyway.Meu2k7

Intersting

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Sony has badazz flyin' dragonzzz!Riverwolf007
Ya but they only score 4.5
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#8 rimnet00
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Sony could always use their own API, or the latest version of DX10. Also, by the time the next XBox comes out, it may very well have DX11 capabilities, if not a subset of DX11 capabilities.
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#9 mattyomo99
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who cares that 7-8 years down the road

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#10 -D3MO-
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i expect DX11 by next-gen consoles...and OpenGL 3 or 4.
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#11 BambooBanger
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I'm expecting a DX11.5 for Microsoft's next-gen console.
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#12 XaosII
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There isnt anything that says that Sony cant use DX.
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1337 Open GL
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#15 EnergyAbsorber
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"so Microsofts next console will probably have DX10" - Hopefully DX11 will be ready by then. I want to see a bigger gap in power than the gap betweenXbox360and DX10.
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#16 Teuf_
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Graphics API's are not important on consoles like they are on PC's. Regardless, whatever GPU Sony uses it will be heavily based upon whatever tech PC's are currently using.
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#17 Douja555
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Powa of the C311 will pull then through.
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#18 BambooBanger
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"so Microsofts next console will probably have DX10" - Hopefully DX11 will be ready by then. I want to see a bigger gap in power than the gap betweenXbox360and DX10.EnergyAbsorber

I think Microsoft are aware of this and will bridge the gap next gen.

I also think the next Xbox will come with a ****load of RAM.

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#19 zero9167
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What's the PS3 using now if not DX9?
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[QUOTE="EnergyAbsorber"]"so Microsofts next console will probably have DX10" - Hopefully DX11 will be ready by then. I want to see a bigger gap in power than the gap betweenXbox360and DX10.BambooBanger

I think Microsoft are aware of this and will bridge the gap next gen.

I also think the next Xbox will come with a ****load of RAM.

All new consoles better have a ****load of RAM or I'm out of the Console game and staying on my PC.
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#21 Teuf_
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What's the PS3 using now if not DX9?zero9167


It's using a custom OpenGL-based API.
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#22 rimnet00
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Graphics API's are not important on consoles like they are on PC's. Regardless, whatever GPU Sony uses it will be heavily based upon whatever tech PC's are currently using.Teufelhuhn

Of course they are... they are just as important.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Graphics API's are not important on consoles like they are on PC's. Regardless, whatever GPU Sony uses it will be heavily based upon whatever tech PC's are currently using.rimnet00

Of course they are... they are just as important.

They are just as important. Why do you think so many developers are having problems with the PS3.

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#24 Spindoc_SEI
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Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.
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#25 Spindoc_SEI
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They are just as important. Why do you think so many developers are having problems with the PS3.Deihmos

OpenGL is A LOT easier to program with than DirectX. I've had first-hand experience.

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#26 osan0
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next version of openGL id imagine. MS dont have control over the computer graphics sector only DX. PS1,2 and 3 use open GL (a modified version mind) so itll probably be a case of taking openGL3 or 4, making a few changes, cutting out some useless crap and making there own additions and BAM...theres the PS4s API set. they might make there own custom built APIs, but i doubt it. sony seem pretty happy with openGL.
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#27 Guitartod
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I'm expecting a DX11.5 for Microsoft's next-gen console.BambooBanger

For real xbox720 better be dx 11 or 12

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#28 Deihmos
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Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.Spindoc_SEI

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]They are just as important. Why do you think so many developers are having problems with the PS3.Spindoc_SEI

OpenGL is A LOT easier to program with than DirectX. I've had first-hand experience.

that is probably true but its not hardware not the software that devs hate
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I hate topics like this in System Wars, this place is full of 13 year olds who have no clue what an API is and yet they're going to chime in with their "expert" opinions, and if I or someone else who has a clue tries to chime in, they get treated like the "enemy."
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[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.Deihmos

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

i will find some pics comparing the two(DX10 and Open GL 2.1)

OpenGL 2.1 Real-time:

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot1.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot4.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot5.jpg

Only a Tech Demo but it is the most photorealistic tech demo you will even see...

Here is a complete comparison

http://game1.ali213.net/attachments/day_070523/OpenGL%20VS%20DirectX_zhMeefFNF1fp.jpg

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#33 Vax45
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OpenGL 3.0

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. The GPU in the PS3 isn't designed for it. OGL 2.1 has been out for a while but I didn't know what it could handle... what was the framerate when the dev's were taking the screenshots for the above pics?

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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.horrowhip

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

i will find some pics comparing the two(DX10 and Open GL 2.1)

OpenGL 2.1 Real-time:

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot1.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot4.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot5.jpg

Only a Tech Demo but it is the most photorealistic tech demo you will even see...

Here is a complete comparison

http://game1.ali213.net/attachments/day_070523/OpenGL%20VS%20DirectX_zhMeefFNF1fp.jpg

RAGE(id Software's new IP)is supposed to be on Open GL 2.1

Im pretty sure they said they are using DX9.

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#35 horrowhip
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Im pretty sure they said they are using DX9.

MrGrimFandango

yeah.. I edited... Carmack does like Open GL more than DX though...

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OpenGL 3 ... which is some ways is better, so Ive heard anyway.Meu2k7

yep, ps3 uses open gl 1.8 imo (but really is it s custom API), and 360 uses dx 9.9c so said by both companies. assuming the trends continue, just add the scores bigger and the consoles will use a better verison of each software...

open gl usually turns out better visuals but it is harder to get good frame rates with (tho easier to work with)as well as things to run on. from what i've seen to, open gl is huge and dx 10 is only great with actual tech demos and graphics...but who knows what about dx 10.9? lol. there is already dx 10.2 which is equal to open gl 3.0

main reason dx is big is becaus eof windows an dpcs using windows. Does mac use open gl or does it uses both? i know windowc an use both but most games run bettwer with dx on windows.

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#37 LibertySaint
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.MrGrimFandango

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

i will find some pics comparing the two(DX10 and Open GL 2.1)

OpenGL 2.1 Real-time:

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot1.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot4.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot5.jpg

Only a Tech Demo but it is the most photorealistic tech demo you will even see...

Here is a complete comparison

http://game1.ali213.net/attachments/day_070523/OpenGL%20VS%20DirectX_zhMeefFNF1fp.jpg

RAGE(id Software's new IP)is supposed to be on Open GL 2.1

Im pretty sure they said they are using DX9.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.MrGrimFandango

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

i will find some pics comparing the two(DX10 and Open GL 2.1)

OpenGL 2.1 Real-time:

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot1.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot4.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot5.jpg

Only a Tech Demo but it is the most photorealistic tech demo you will even see...

Here is a complete comparison

http://game1.ali213.net/attachments/day_070523/OpenGL%20VS%20DirectX_zhMeefFNF1fp.jpg

RAGE(id Software's new IP)is supposed to be on Open GL 2.1

Im pretty sure they said they are using DX9.

yeh exactly they are so close.

btw , i remeber those pics, those pics are mostly made by crytek, epic, nvidia and ati to shows case there graphics and graphics cards, the face was made by nvidia no? hey look up the dx 10 frog from nvidia that looks sweet and its frunning off of a 8600 gts at 30fps, it s avideo but check out what the card is capable of, the frog is in dx 10 btw.

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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]Everything that's implemented in DX10 is already implemented in OpenGL anyway. OpenGL sets the standard based on the yearly SGI conferences.horrowhip

Give an example of an openGl game on PC. The last one i played was Quake Wars and it looked really old. If you are referring to the PS3 then that is not what i have been reading.

i will find some pics comparing the two(DX10 and Open GL 2.1)

OpenGL 2.1 Real-time:

http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot1.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot4.jpg
http://www.nzone.com/docs/IO/42736/screenshot5.jpg

Only a Tech Demo but it is the most photorealistic tech demo you will even see...

Here is a complete comparison

http://game1.ali213.net/attachments/day_070523/OpenGL%20VS%20DirectX_zhMeefFNF1fp.jpg

Nice but I was searcing the internet and I found a video with the same Face you posted with the bald guy and it says Dx10 demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkgYret8syk&feature=related

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#39 ff7isnumbaone
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Sony has badazz flyin' dragonzzz!Riverwolf007

who cares that 7-8 years down the road

mattyomo99

well its 3 year for microsft and plus sony already started on ps4.