DX 12 oversimplified .. Yes it applies to Xbox One as well..

DX12 is the real deal. Someone please post this as it deserves its own thread. This Dev simplifies the differences and talks about DX12 impacting both the PC and Xbox One.

DirectX 11 vs. DirectX 12 oversimplified

It’s not magic

DirectX 12 won’t make your PC or XBox One magically faster.

First off, the developer has to write their game so that they’re interacting with the GPU through multiple cores simultaneously. Most games, even today, are still written so that only 1 core is dedicated to interacting with the GPU.

Second, this only benefits you if your game is CPU bound. Most games are. In fact, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a modern Nvidia card get GPU bound (if anyone can think of an example, please leave it in the comments).

Third, if you’re a XBox One fan, don’t assume this will give the XBO superiority. By the time games come out that use this, you can be assured that Sony will have an answer.

okay.............sounds like some one has insecurity issues with his console.......

500 posts bruh, and there are a lot of inconsistencies on what you are saying but i am too sleepy to explain to 12 year olds this late.

inb4lock

Not really. I don't care about which one is stronger. Its a puzzle that's starting to come together. Most Devs like this sort of investigation.

I'm not saying it. Read the article...

i have read the article. we should keep this thread open.

the proof is in the pudding, now, where's my pudding?

You should let it be known that the article is written by the CEO of Stardock.

And Stardock has published games like Sins of a Solar Empire and Galactic Civilizations

Let it be known Xbone runs games like crap, and will never touch PC.

@RoboCopISJesus:

Yet always better than your PC Jankar

I don't think you realize how big of a boost this is for PCs. For the Xbox One it's not going to do anything but make development a bit easier through general advancement of the API, better function calls, and all of that jazz. On the PC it's going to allow devs to finally program graphic renderers that can do some serious draw calls without murdering the CPU. This has been a huge thorn in the side of DirectX for years. The CPU utilization has been terrible because you had to still limit talking to the GPU with one core. Better than DX9 where you couldn't separate that to a separate thread.

Draw calls and CPU/GPU useage has never been a problem of consoles. That's always been a huge benefit of the consoles. They get specialized APIs that are built specifically for their hardware even if they are based on OpenGL or DirectX. Draw calls have never been a problem on the consoles and the consoles have always been able to do certain graphic functions better than even the best PCs because of it. Of course that doesn't tell the whole story (so don't accuse me of saying consoles have better graphics than the PC) as there is way more to the final image than the number of draw calls you can do per frame, but it has always been an advantage and has made developing on a console just a bit easier than the PC.

The next version of OpenGL is doing something similar to DX12. It's very exciting to finally be breaking down those CPU bottlenecks and really getting our GPUs to perform.

Whose that?

DX12 will help with better software optimization on the X1, but not enough to overcome the hardware differences with the PS4.

jankar has a PC?

I don't think TC even understands the concept of DirectX. DirectX is nothing more than a standardization of protocol. Without DirectX, companies like AMD, Nvidia, ATI and Intel...and even software makers will have to write their own version of the code, leading to huge cross-compatibility issues. So DirectX was created by Microsoft as a universal platform for all these hardware companies to base their protocol on. Hence, regardless of what hardware and/or software you have, it'll work.

Without DirectX, software and hardware makers will simply have to write their own protocol. It could very possibly be better than DirectX since it'll be more specific to the software and hardware. Consoles don't really need DirectX due to standardized hardware. That isn't the case for PCs.

As always it does nothing to xbone. But excited to see what happens with pc.

I'm here for the pudding.

you never explain anything to anyone. ur not capable of explaining anything to anyone...u just troll threads, thats it. so dont pretend like theres more to you than that lol.

on topic, 500 guy...500...5-0-0. fear not.

A moderator already responded on the thread, so I think they'll let it slide for this one time.

oh good, well i guess they can lock mines then. i just reposted it for him.

In before the lock.

Eat it, lems.

@GrenadeLauncher said:

In before the lock.

Eat it, lems.

Cool, you completely read it wrong.

1. It's a developer thing
2. So most games are CPU bound, so it will have an effect
3. It won't give superiority, but nobody asked for that. He is clearly saying: Yes it will help, but Sony will do something similar. AKA DX12 will help the Xbox One.

Owned by your own picture

@CrownKingArthur: Okay when this thread is lock, feel free to repost this.

And of course, you fail to take into account the Xbone already has most of the DX12 benefits the PC will enjoy in its API.

DX12 gonna do jack squat, friend.

Looks like its going to make the Xbox One even better. But it will make future PC games pretty awesome.

Minor improvements for da Bone, still a jank console with nothing going for it.

Major improvements for PC.

I think it'll do more than people think. It won't make the hardware itself any better but the bottlenecks that are facing gaming today will be much more manageable. By the end of the generation I wouldn't be surprised if the X1 goes toe to toe with ps4 without issue.

So GS allows freshmen to create threads and then locks them because they didn't reach the 500 posts threshold.

This is brilliant.

On topic: it was an interesting read TC, thanks.

And of course you take your own spin on it and neglect everything the actual developer just said. Nice try cow

I'm quoting what developers and analysts have been saying about it since reveal, Slow Robert.

Keep hoping DX12 pulls your shit console out of the mire. It sure isn't getting it to 60fps.

With those frame rate drops to 40fps. Delicious. On last gen games too.

Obsolete hardware already, but don't worry, I'm sure DX12 will ensure future drops will only be to 45fps. ;)

Freaking $400 PCs run games better than the Xbone.

The PS4 has been struggling with frames lately due to its massive CPU bottle neck. DX12 will only make the Xbox better. Oversimplified is right.

@FoxbatAlpha:

So awesome I can actually count the individual 10 trillion leaves. :o

Fable remains foliage king. :P

Oh, "for the most part" counts now, does it, Simon?

Must have been the engine wheezing to keep it at over 40fps as the cause for the multiplayer shitting the bed. Dat clawd powwa couldn't handle it yo!

Gonna be funny for you when 95% of the Xbone's games are still sub-30fps past this Christmas, Justin. Keep waiting. :)

Wait like you are doing from last summer for a PS4 game? Got it.

You're incoherent, Justin. Take ten minutes and chill out. :)

@GrenadeLauncher: I think Sony's answer is already known, it's GPGPU. Not saying they can't take advantage of multi-thread CPU but I think their vision for PS4 was always to have the GPU do most of the work, it's been shown already that working with one CPU core alone the bandwidth of the PS4 drops significantly, not too mention that Planetside 2 devs and many others have already said PS4 CPU is the main bottleneck they're facing. I think that's the reason Cerny said balance was at 14 cu's, having the GPU do most of the work will be the best option for the PS4.

@GioVela2010: Indeed. This is a serious dev with dx12 access.

@farrell2k: umm I do. This is the Api most games use. Kinda a big deal.

Lol, no they haven't. The only ones saying that, are the ones that haven't used it.

Xbox One at least has games at 60fps, because gameplay trumps graphics. Forza 5 => 1080p/60fps, sure they had to cut back with stuff like the crowd. But that doesn't matter because these racing games need 60fps, and you don't see the crowd when you race at 100mph. Naughty Dog is already saying they probably can't get to 60fps for UC4, but yeah the Xbox One is lacking behind ;)

@slimdogmilionar: I think that will generate too much heat. To me the flaw in sony's architecture is the slim design of the console which limits heat distribution ..

Any process that pushes the GPU more will generate more heat.

@ttboy: Microsoft software engineers > Sony software engineers.

So, to say "Sony will have a n answer", is baseless speculation.

Everyone on this site has insecurity issues with their console. Especially Cows. lol!! DX12 by itself won't do much. It's just a key for the XB1.

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You trolls keep believing that. lol!! The fun is just getting started.

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