DX11 support looks more and more like a joke

Not only Crysis 2 won't support it when it comes out, even the PC exclusive Shogun 2 won't have it now.

It makes me question whatfor would someone have a high-end graphics card then. Or even change his trusty old DX10 (or even DX9) graphics card.

The only game that's looking promising is Battlefield 3 but we'll have to see if it lives up to the hype.

I think the real next-gen graphics will come with the next-gen consoles.

Dx10 was hyped to won't surprise me if dx11 will be more or less the same. There isn't really any true dx10 game either.

DX11 is just what DX10 should have been, they rushed out DX10 for Vista; and features that are in DX11 were cut.

That said, I don't think you quite understand how PC hardware works. The install base for DX11 is tiny, DX10 is only now exceeding 60%. Only with a large install base, does full utilization (native support) of a new technology starts to happen on PC. Right now it is just being patched on top of games, most of which are console ports, which is hardly ideal.

PC evolves over time, the market needs time to digest new technology, people wanting instant gratification don't understand how new technologies are implemented on PC.

Developers not utilizing it properly or it all doesn't make it a joke. Fail to see the logic there that makes it a joke at all.

I'm not too worried. By the time DX11 is the standard, I'll buy and unlock another 6950 to crossfire.

DX11 will be the new DX9, give it time.SaltyMeatballs

I thought it was going to be cyclical like DX7 > DX10, DX8 > DX11, and DX9 > DX12 whenever that comes out

There isn't really any true dx10 game either.

Robbazking

Not only Crysis 2 won't support it when it comes out, even the PC exclusive Shogun 2 won't have it now.

It makes me question whatfor would someone have a high-end graphics card then. Or even change his trusty old DX10 (or even DX9) graphics card.

The only game that's looking promising is Battlefield 3 but we'll have to see if it lives up to the hype.

I think the real next-gen graphics will come with the next-gen consoles.

nameless12345

DX11 is just what DX10 should have been, they rushed out DX10 for Vista; and features that are in DX11 were cut.

That said, I don't think you quite understand how PC hardware works. The install base for DX11 is tiny, DX10 is only now exceeding 60%. Only with a large install base, does full utilization (native support) of a new technology starts to happen on PC. Right now it is just being patched on top of games, most of which are console ports, which is hardly ideal.

PC evolves over time, the market needs time to digest new technology, people wanting instant gratification don't understand how new technologies are implemented on PC.

AnnoyedDragon

Dx10 was hyped to won't surprise me if dx11 will be more or less the same. There isn't really any true dx10 game either.

Robbazking

The install base isn't large enough for developers to care that much. DX10 has just recently become large enough that it's being used properly.

Why do you make always PC hating threads dude? SWTORmmo

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

agreed 10 thousand percent. bluray is the only way to advance in the gaming biz from now on imho

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Not only Crysis 2 won't support it when it comes out, even the PC exclusive Shogun 2 won't have it now.

It makes me question whatfor would someone have a high-end graphics card then. Or even change his trusty old DX10 (or even DX9) graphics card.

The only game that's looking promising is Battlefield 3 but we'll have to see if it lives up to the hype.

I think the real next-gen graphics will come with the next-gen consoles.

tenaka2

I don't know but I predict late 2013/2014.

agreed 10 thousand percent. bluray is the only way to advance in the gaming biz from now on imho

_SWAG_

agreed 10 thousand percent. bluray is the only way to advance in the gaming biz from now on imho

_SWAG_

I lol'd

BF3 is being built from the ground up in DX11

agreed 10 thousand percent. bluray is the only way to advance in the gaming biz from now on imho

_SWAG_

[QUOTE="SWTORmmo"]Why do you make always PC hating threads dude? nameless12345

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

If you want a better card your only option are still a DX11 card. I'll admit DX11 has not been great so far, but I guess everyone is hoping its the next DX9, which pretty much every game uses now.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="SWTORmmo"]Why do you make always PC hating threads dude? Makari

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

My point is still valid. Why buy a new graphics card when you're not missing much on your old one?

My point is still valid. Why buy a new graphics card when you're not missing much on your old one?nameless12345

[QUOTE="Makari"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

nameless12345

My point is still valid. Why buy a new graphics card when you're not missing much on your old one?

and now the equally blindingly obvious answer that will somehow just now be discovered today for the first time EVER in human history - because the new tech also tends to be pretty sweet, whether or not you use the bleeding edge components of it. Win7 is awesome compared to XP even if you don't use DX11. A GTX 570 is win compared to a GTX 285 even if you don't use DX11. A top of the line 3D-capable TV can still be badass compared to a cheap 2D one even if you don't use the 3D. an $80k Benz that can park itself is still a rather nice car even if you don't use the self-parking. etc.

[QUOTE="Makari"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

nameless12345

My point is still valid. Why buy a new graphics card when you're not missing much on your old one?

Why buy a new console when you are perfectly fine with current ones?mitu123

Oh wait, I can play REGULAR games on it too?

(edit: sarcasm very much not aimed at you :D)

took them ages just to get dx 10 going . DX 11 does not really add that much anyways .

[QUOTE="Makari"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

nameless12345

My point is still valid. Why buy a new graphics card when you're not missing much on your old one?

Faster speed? Higher Resolution? Immersion (5000-6000 AMD triple screen from 1 video card), HDMI out, lower power consumption, less heat, higher quality settings(AA, particle effects, filtering, textures, etc etc)?

The question is.. Why pose a "rebuttle question" when you are not arguing against anyone.

What is your clasification of "high-end graphics card". I have a 125 dollar DX11 video card that can play all the games I want at my resolution with very high settings and its a card thats only 8 or so months old since being released.

DX11 will be the new DX9, give it time.SaltyMeatballs

I'm still using a dx10 card. Don't plan on getting anything else until more games can utilize it properly.

Not only Crysis 2 won't support it when it comes out, even the PC exclusive Shogun 2 won't have it now.

It makes me question whatfor would someone have a high-end graphics card then. Or even change his trusty old DX10 (or even DX9) graphics card.

The only game that's looking promising is Battlefield 3 but we'll have to see if it lives up to the hype.

I think the real next-gen graphics will come with the next-gen consoles.

nameless12345

If the idea of "next gen consoles" is 1080p native support at 30-60 fps then I will say that "next gen consoles are already obsolete and outdateD", due I'm currently playing at higher res in a single display and in some cases at higher framerrate. Next gen consoles will not stat anything that PC gamer weren't playing in the last 3 years...

It makes me question whatfor would someone have a high-end graphics card then. Or even change his trusty old DX10 (or even DX9) graphics card.nameless12345

We buy new cards mainly for the performance increase and OVERALL new features and tech.

I didn't buy my 6870 just for DX11, I bought it for the 50%+ performance increase over my old 4850. Also for Morphilogical AA and maybe Ill an Eyefinity setup someday.

[QUOTE="SWTORmmo"]Why do you make always PC hating threads dude? nameless12345

What does this thread have to do with, according to you, "hating PC" ?

I just state that I see little value in high-end graphics cards considering there are barely games showing off the new graphics features.

What if you want to game in 1080P with 8Xeqaa and 16X anistrophic filtering or Eyefinity resoluitons at 7680 x 3200? Can you do that with consoles? Didn't think so.

The problem is that most console games are DX9 based (with added dx10 software extensions) but not fully dx10 compatible... ps3 doesnt use DX, neither does the wii, and, PC's are just getting used to DX10.

Dx10.1 is what dx 10 was supposed to be, DX 11 is a good improvement of features. Whats nice about DX 10 is that it was a rewrite of the DX code completely, so backwards compatibility from DX11 to DX10 isnt too difficult like DX9 to DX6 was. It's true though, as games progress they will take advantage of what consoles can handle, in case they get ported over. We won't see full use of DX 11 until next generation when its standard in the next xbox (or DX12 by then)

And it is even more mind blowing when UE3 used tesselation as transformation. This actually requires even greater tool to support such editing.magicalclick

Geometry shader I think.

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]

There isn't really any true dx10 game either.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]

There isn't really any true dx10 game either.

Captain__Tripps

too many PC gamers on Windows Xp