Yep, A one time use code will be suplied with new games and people that by used games will be outta luck :(
Edit: Correction... peoplewho by used will have to pay a $10 dollar fee to play online (this includes rentals)
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Yep, A one time use code will be suplied with new games and people that by used games will be outta luck :(
Edit: Correction... peoplewho by used will have to pay a $10 dollar fee to play online (this includes rentals)
Full story from Yahoo and IGN
good. I always buy new, I prefer my money going to those who earned itYep, A one time use code will be suplied with new games and people that by used games will be outta luck :(
Shattered007
This kind of stuff is going to spread to every publisher, and its going to kill Gamestop. Oh well.
h575309
No maybe they will have fair prices on their used games now. I've traded in games and got $16-18 for them and the put them out for sale used at$38-44.
The mark up is rediculous at gamestop.
Again, by doing this they LEGALLY have to say "ONLINE COMPONENT NOT INCLUDED IN STANDARD RELEASE", meaning they literally have to make the online stuff premium add-on content. This of course means they cannot be reviewed on said content, or advertise said content as coming standard with said games. Therefore, by "locking out multiplayer content", they've locked themselves out of the online sports market. Great decision. :roll:
...Used game sales =/= piracy. In any way, shape or form. Would you people be cheering if a car company said "Sorry, we're turning off the steering and brakes for the next owner if you sell your car...the used market is costing us money!"? Doubtful, and yet this is the same situation, it's gimping a product when the consumer utilizes their LEGAL rights.Good, we can't let people play pirated copies of the game!
smokeydabear076
I don't really play Multiplayer in EA Sport titles. I play the Be a Pro modes in the NHL series. I also play Local Multiplayer.
But this is still bad news because Used Games doesn't equal Piracy.
[QUOTE="h575309"]
This kind of stuff is going to spread to every publisher, and its going to kill Gamestop. Oh well.
No maybe they will have fair prices on their used games now. I've traded in games and got $16-18 for them and the put them out for sale used at$38-44.
The mark up is rediculous at gamestop.
How do you think they make such huge profits off their used gaming division? By screwing gamers over, thats how. Almost 50% of their gross profit comes from used game sales, cut that margin down, and down goes profits....[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]...Used game sales =/= piracy. In any way, shape or form. Would you people be cheering if a car company said "Sorry, we're turning off the steering and brakes for the next owner if you sell your car...the used market is costing us money!"? Doubtful, and yet this is the same situation, it's gimping a product when the consumer utilizes their LEGAL rights.Nah, it would be great they could disable vehicles like that. I mean, a lot less people would be drivng and so the planet would be a trillion times safer from global warming.Good, we can't let people play pirated copies of the game!
Andrew_Xavier
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]...Used game sales =/= piracy. In any way, shape or form. Would you people be cheering if a car company said "Sorry, we're turning off the steering and brakes for the next owner if you sell your car...the used market is costing us money!"? Doubtful, and yet this is the same situation, it's gimping a product when the consumer utilizes their LEGAL rights. Lol, car analogies. EA just want their share of the used game, when someone buys a used game instead of a new copy the publishes loses out. A pirate would have to pay, which is good. That being said, this is just for the online MP. So more tacked on online maybe? This is just an extension of the Cerberus network, but for online multiplayer instead of DLC.Good, we can't let people play pirated copies of the game!
Andrew_Xavier
[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]...Used game sales =/= piracy. In any way, shape or form. Would you people be cheering if a car company said "Sorry, we're turning off the steering and brakes for the next owner if you sell your car...the used market is costing us money!"? Doubtful, and yet this is the same situation, it's gimping a product when the consumer utilizes their LEGAL rights. Lol, car analogies. EA just want their share of the used game, when someone buys a used game instead of a new copy the publishes loses out. A pirate would have to pay, which is good. That being said, this is just for the online MP. So more tacked on online maybe? This is just an extension of the Cerberus network, but for online multiplayer instead of DLC. Cerberus Network offered new, free content to gamers for buying new as incentive, which is brilliant. This LITERALLY gimps the game and charges you for what's on the disc for your legitimate purchase. If you don't like car analogies...okay, how'd you feel if bluray companies said "If you buy the movie used, you can only watch 1/2 the film unless you pay us for a code to unlock the rest."Good, we can't let people play pirated copies of the game!
SaltyMeatballs
Indeed,and the developers are starting to reckon that the used market is very bad for them,so I feel that EA is doing the rigth thing.Good, we can't let people play pirated copies of the game!
smokeydabear076
Console gamers are no better than PC gamers,so if PC is hampered by such things,why would it be any different on the consoles?
Expect many more devs to follow EA´s lead.
So should I be forced to buy 2 games because my son and I both want to play online? Should I not be allowed to rent a game for the weekend and play online? Yes this affects used games but it affects more than that as well. So far it's only EA Sports but I am sure Mr Kottick at Activision is salavating over this concept.Waits for people to rush in saying used game sales is not a problem because it's teh legal!!!!! Guess what, it's a problem just because of that.
Espada12
Gamer has a choice, if you want to play the single player it won't affect you, if you don't have an internet connection, etc.SaltyMeatballsAccording to the law, EA cannot promote the online features of their games as standard any longer, and they have no right to the content once it's purchased. I think the MASSIVE loss of sales they will experience when having to alert people at POINT OF SALE that their game features NO STANDARD ONLINE FEATURES, but costs the same as a full game, is great. So, again, R.I.P Electronic Arts, you were a horrific company that never cared about the gamer anyways.
so if PC is hampered by such things,why would it be any different on the consolesArach666If console game sales died down to the level that DRM-infested PC games sales have, the industry would cease to exist.
I doesn't bother me since I buy my games new. Will be interesting to see how it works out.RoslindaleOneSo, you never resell your games on craigslist/ebay/anywhere? You just horde them or give them away when finished? You never rent? Or lend to a friend?
[QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]I doesn't bother me since I buy my games new. Will be interesting to see how it works out.Andrew_XavierSo, you never resell your games on craigslist/ebay/anywhere? You just horde them or give them away when finished? You never rent? Or lend to a friend? Why are you so defensive? I used to trade in games a few years back but when I found myself rebuying them, I felt there's no point in me trading in games anymore. Yes, I do have gamefly and yes I let my friends borrow games. I don't see why your asking ME these questions. All I said is it didn't bother me. lol
[QUOTE="Arach666"]so if PC is hampered by such things,why would it be any different on the consolesAndrew_XavierIf console game sales died down to the level that DRM-infested PC games sales have, the industry would cease to exist. Well,be gratefull it´s only the MP,the SP is safe...for now.
[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]I doesn't bother me since I buy my games new. Will be interesting to see how it works out.RoslindaleOneSo, you never resell your games on craigslist/ebay/anywhere? You just horde them or give them away when finished? You never rent? Or lend to a friend? Why are you so defensive? I used to trade in games a few years back but when I found myself rebuying them, I felt there's no point in me trading in games anymore. Yes, I do have gamefly and yes I let my friends borrow games. I don't see why your asking ME these questions. All I said is it didn't bother me. lol Well, because now your gamefly will be useless, and the game you lend to your friend will be gimped. That's why I ask how taking away a consumer right doesn't bother you.
If console game sales died down to the level that DRM-infested PC games sales have, the industry would cease to exist. Well,be gratefull it´s only the MP,the SP is safe...for now. Taking away the MP on MP-centric games is enough to kill their sales. You know what would make sense? Do what they are doing, but charge LESS for the game new. People would go for that. They will not do that.[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Arach666"]so if PC is hampered by such things,why would it be any different on the consolesArach666
as it encourages people to go out there and buy a new gameblue_hazy_basicNo it doesn't. Taking away features convinces people to go out and buy A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ALL TOGETHER, not buy more of the gimped product.
I'm mainly a PC gamer who buys only legit software, no pirated games, songs, films, etc on my comp. I fully support EA in this endeavour (I only buy the very occasional used game for my 360) as it encourages people to go out there and buy a new game, rather than letting gamestop exploit us twice (firstly for giving us a crap deal on the used copy and secondly for making $5 less than the new game).blue_hazy_basicI've said it before but what about a household of gamers? What about renting? It's more than just antiGamestop.
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]as it encourages people to go out there and buy a new gameAndrew_XavierNo it doesn't. Taking away features convinces people to go out and buy A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ALL TOGETHER, not buy more of the gimped product. Why? If you buy it new theres no extra expense. What difference would it make? This isn't nickle and diming us through DLC its protecting developers.
Again, by doing this they LEGALLY have to say "ONLINE COMPONENT NOT INCLUDED IN STANDARD RELEASE", meaning they literally have to make the online stuff premium add-on content. This of course means they cannot be reviewed on said content, or advertise said content as coming standard with said games. Therefore, by "locking out multiplayer content", they've locked themselves out of the online sports market. Great decision. :roll:
Andrew_Xavier
What are you talking about? When you buy the game brand new you will get a code that gives you access toall the content on the disc so they can advertise as the normally do.
Game developers don't intend on there games being sold used and bought by people the second hand users are out of luck.
don't try to be an internet lawyer
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]I'm mainly a PC gamer who buys only legit software, no pirated games, songs, films, etc on my comp. I fully support EA in this endeavour (I only buy the very occasional used game for my 360) as it encourages people to go out there and buy a new game, rather than letting gamestop exploit us twice (firstly for giving us a crap deal on the used copy and secondly for making $5 less than the new game).KingTuttleI've said it before but what about a household of gamers? What about renting? It's more than just antiGamestop. You mean more than account/game? hmmmm yea thats crappy not sure how that is handled As for renting, again I do do that and it would suck I guess, pay the extra $10, but I stand by what I said.
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Again, by doing this they LEGALLY have to say "ONLINE COMPONENT NOT INCLUDED IN STANDARD RELEASE", meaning they literally have to make the online stuff premium add-on content. This of course means they cannot be reviewed on said content, or advertise said content as coming standard with said games. Therefore, by "locking out multiplayer content", they've locked themselves out of the online sports market. Great decision. :roll:
xxyetixx
What are you talking about? When you buy the game brand new you will get a code that gives you access toall the content on the disc so they can advertise as the normally do.
Game developers don't intend on there games being sold used and bought by people the second hand users are out of luck.
don't try to be an internet lawyer
The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1908 (see Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus) and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made. This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule."How's that for internet lawyer? If they advertise the online components as standard/not add-on after purchase content, they break copyright law.
[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]as it encourages people to go out there and buy a new gameblue_hazy_basicNo it doesn't. Taking away features convinces people to go out and buy A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ALL TOGETHER, not buy more of the gimped product. Why? If you buy it new theres no extra expense. What difference would it make? This isn't nickle and diming us through DLC its protecting developers. No, it's eliminating your consumer right to resell the product your purchased. If you GIMP the software by disabling online features for all resales, you cannot advertise said features as standard. People will NOT buy a gimped product, especially when, at point of sale, they have to say "DOES NOT INCLUDE STANDARD ONLINE COMPONENTS".
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] No it doesn't. Taking away features convinces people to go out and buy A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ALL TOGETHER, not buy more of the gimped product.Andrew_XavierWhy? If you buy it new theres no extra expense. What difference would it make? This isn't nickle and diming us through DLC its protecting developers. No, it's eliminating your consumer right to resell the product your purchased. If you GIMP the software by disabling online features for all resales, you cannot advertise said features as standard. People will NOT buy a gimped product, especially when, at point of sale, they have to say "DOES NOT INCLUDE STANDARD ONLINE COMPONENTS". Its not eliminating your right to do anything. EA have the right what to include in their game or not. You as the consumer can exercise your right as a consumer by not purchasing it.
Used games hurt the industry.
[QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] So, you never resell your games on craigslist/ebay/anywhere? You just horde them or give them away when finished? You never rent? Or lend to a friend?Andrew_XavierWhy are you so defensive? I used to trade in games a few years back but when I found myself rebuying them, I felt there's no point in me trading in games anymore. Yes, I do have gamefly and yes I let my friends borrow games. I don't see why your asking ME these questions. All I said is it didn't bother me. lol Well, because now your gamefly will be useless, and the game you lend to your friend will be gimped. That's why I ask how taking away a consumer right doesn't bother you.
Again it's not gimped, the will be offering the people that did not purchase the game new, the peoplethat provided no money to the developer the chance to give money to the deveolper by purchasing the code to play the MP.
Well, used games are just as bad as piracy. So I see no problem.RichardStallmanHow the hell is buying a legitimate copy of a game anything like stealing a game? Is buying a used car theft? Or a used house? Or used land? Or going to a restaurant?
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] No it doesn't. Taking away features convinces people to go out and buy A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ALL TOGETHER, not buy more of the gimped product.Andrew_XavierWhy? If you buy it new theres no extra expense. What difference would it make? This isn't nickle and diming us through DLC its protecting developers. No, it's eliminating your consumer right to resell the product your purchased.
How is that different from the PC,eh? If it was so obviously illegal,don´t you think someone woud have said something by now?
Face it,it´s a lost war,and a measure that other companies will follow as well.
Well, because now your gamefly will be useless, and the game you lend to your friend will be gimped. That's why I ask how taking away a consumer right doesn't bother you.[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"] Why are you so defensive? I used to trade in games a few years back but when I found myself rebuying them, I felt there's no point in me trading in games anymore. Yes, I do have gamefly and yes I let my friends borrow games. I don't see why your asking ME these questions. All I said is it didn't bother me. lolxxyetixx
Again it's not gimped, the will be offering the people that did not purchase the game new, the peoplethat provided no money to the developer the chance to give money to the deveolper by purchasing the code to play the MP.
A feature that was in the game, was forcibly removed. AKA GIMPED. AGAIN, if a bicycle company said "If you sell your bike, the next owner doesn't get the wheels/breaks/handlebars unless they pay us, we're losing money on used bike sales!" or if a food market said "THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE RESELLING OUR INGREDIANTS, no no no, the food they serve must become 50% dust, we're losing money on RESALES OF RAW FOOD!" or if Blurays started offering people who bought used copies 20% of the movie unless they pay the studio for the rest? IT'S. CALLED. GIMPING.The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1908 (see Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus) and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made. This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule."
Well, used games are just as bad as piracy. So I see no problem.RichardStallman*MEGA FACEPALM* you realize there are a ton of things 2nd hand in real life such as cars, houses, buildings, computers (ocassionally), etc. this is nothing like piracy, piracy is duplicating a license while selling used games is selling it. (the one you already bought tho)
No, it's eliminating your consumer right to resell the product your purchased.[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Why? If you buy it new theres no extra expense. What difference would it make? This isn't nickle and diming us through DLC its protecting developers.Arach666
How is that different from the PC,eh? If it was so obviously illegal,don´t you think someone woud have said something by now?
Face it,it´s a lost war,and a measure that other companies will follow as well.
You think people haven't? If I buy a used copy of a game, and put my serial code in and it isn't accepted, and I email the game company screenshots of my legitimate purchase, and serial code on the manual, they HAVE to activate it. I've done this before. It's law.[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] No, it's eliminating your consumer right to resell the product your purchased. Andrew_Xavier
How is that different from the PC,eh? If it was so obviously illegal,don´t you think someone woud have said something by now?
Face it,it´s a lost war,and a measure that other companies will follow as well.
You think people haven't? If I buy a used copy of a game, and put my serial code in and it isn't accepted, and I email the game company screenshots of my legitimate purchase, and serial code on the manual, they HAVE to activate it. I've done this before. It's law. And you have to pay for the activation,just like EA is doing. See,problem solved.Please Log In to post.
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