EA states Steam sales 'cheapen intellectual property', talks smack

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#1 dzaric
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From Joystiq.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/09/origins-demartini-steam-sales-cheapen-intellectual-property/

Considering the desolate wasteland that EAs origin is compared to Steam, i wouldnt start talking crap just yet. Hey at least it isnt GFWL.

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#2 tagyhag
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"We won't sell games for cheap, and this is why..."
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#3 -CheeseEater-
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EA mad. Nuff said.
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#4 UnrealLegend
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They be jealous. :lol:

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#5 randomguy15
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I look at the topic title to see talk smack and I can't help but to laugh. :lol:

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#6 SPYDER0416
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EA has a bad habit of talking smack about things that do better then them. Remember when they said BF3 would outsell CoD and they made fun of Elite?

Honestly, this is just their way of saying that they think the business and corporations matter more then the gamers that buy their games. They don't want to give us good deals, so they insult Steam for treating us incredibly well.

I just hope Origin fails already, not because I'm a Steam fanboy, but because Origin honestly has nothing to offer compared to Steam or GoG except BF3 really, and its not nearly as good or polished as Steam is.

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#7 senses_fail_06
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I would never buy a game off origin. Fvck EA
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#8 noscope-ak47
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Steam is one of the best things to ever happen to gaming IMO. The reason pc gamers buy so many games is the price. Sure I would reather have a physical copy but when the price of the DD version is much lower then it makes it easy to forget about the hard copy. I know personally that I would not have half of they games I own if not for steam. As a matter of fact I have so many games I can't play them all.

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#9 blues35301
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Steam is one of the best things to ever happen to gaming IMO. The reason pc gamers buy so many games is the price. Sure I would reather have a physical copy but when the price of the DD version is much lower then it makes it easy to forget about the hard copy. I know personally that I would not have half of they games I own if not for steam. As a matter of fact I have so many games I can't play them all.

noscope-ak47
Agree fully. Normally I'm the type of person that won't buy something just because its on sale its only if i actually want it. But when I see a certain game on sale on steam and I know I've wanted to play it I figure might as well get it cheap now because when i want to play it itll be back to full price. This is the glory of the steam sale.
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#10 DJ_Lae
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EA dumps their entire iOS library down to 99 cents several times a year. They have nothing on Steam.
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#11 Mr_Ditters
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Thats funny because I seem to recall buying several games dirt cheap on Origin. They are just trash talking because Origin isn't as sucessful as they would like.

I don't hear developers complaining when they make a ton of cash off of a game that no one planned on buying because Steam offered it on a huge sale. I recall one company saying that they made more revenue years after realease on a Steam sale weekend than they did in the first month after release.

Customers are happy. Developers are happy. Steam is happy. EA isn't happy.

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#12 Cherokee_Jack
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Sniping at other companies before you do 1 thing better than them. Class.

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#14 noscope-ak47
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[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

Steam is one of the best things to ever happen to gaming IMO. The reason pc gamers buy so many games is the price. Sure I would reather have a physical copy but when the price of the DD version is much lower then it makes it easy to forget about the hard copy. I know personally that I would not have half of they games I own if not for steam. As a matter of fact I have so many games I can't play them all.

blues35301

Agree fully. Normally I'm the type of person that won't buy something just because its on sale its only if i actually want it. But when I see a certain game on sale on steam and I know I've wanted to play it I figure might as well get it cheap now because when i want to play it itll be back to full price. This is the glory of the steam sale.

I know that steam may not sell games at full price but they make up for that with voulume. I brought a indie pack of games I would never have got but the price was right.

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#15 RandomWinner
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Origin is trash. They lost sales not putting Battlefield on steam.

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#16 dovberg
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Wow, I think this calls for an Origin boycott ;) After all most(maybe all) of their good games are on console and the service itself is garbage.

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#17 lx_theo
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Whether you love to bash on EA and make love to Steam or not, they have a good point.

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#18 Animal-Mother
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EA is just damage controlling for the market share they couldn't get.

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#19 Cherokee_Jack
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Wow, I think this calls for an Origin boycott ;)dovberg
You don't need a boycott when no one uses it in the first place.
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#20 noscope-ak47
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Whether you love to bash on EA and make love to Steam or not, they have a good point.

lx_theo

What is the point that EA service is not doing the numbers like steam is ??

That the pc market does better than the 360 and ps3 combined??

That EA makes you use their own servers so that used games need to pay to pay online.

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#21 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Whether you love to bash on EA and make love to Steam or not, they have a good point.

noscope-ak47

What is the point that EA service is not doing the numbers like steam is ??

That the pc market does better than the 360 and ps3 combined??

That EA makes you use their own servers so that used games need to pay to pay online.

I never said EA is doing it better... I am saying that they have a good point that the discount system Steam uses devalues franchises and brand names.
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#22 dzaric
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[QUOTE="dovberg"]Wow, I think this calls for an Origin boycott ;)Cherokee_Jack
You don't need a boycott when no one uses it in the first place.

Hah that gave me a larf! :lol:

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#23 cslayer211
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Steam sales allow for more profit for the developers because digital distribution is so cheap... and allows for way lower prices... so EA is mad, probably about having to sell their games cheaper in order to compete with Steam?
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#24 mccoyca112
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I really wish they decided to get their panties in a bunch after ME3 was released.... I still wanna play it even though the complaints are high, and the ending is a lol-er. I refuse to allow origin on my pc though. There was already a thread on this but yeah, they're getting pissy, because they're strictly business, where as steam is business and the community. Guess which one will have a more dedicated fanbase, always and forever.

I swear if heightened intelligence monkeys took over as Ceos at EA, you have nearly identical results.

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#25 Vesica_Prime
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Go drive another developer into the ground and hoard their IPs you insufferable fvcks. And go fvck off and trashtalk the very thing you copy you hypocritical oxygen thieves.

Oh and I had more fun with $5-$10 games than the steaming piles of sh*t you flog at $110.

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#26 Chuubby
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Repost.

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#27 badtaker
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Valve needs to change publisher :P
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#28 ionusX
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old i had a thread up nearly a week ago on this.. mcvuk dropping the dime on ur source

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#29 noscope-ak47
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Screw what EA is saying money talks so steam can't hear what you saying.

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#30 Joedgabe
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Go drive another developer into the ground and hoard their IPs you insufferable fvcks. And go fvck off and trashtalk the very thing you copy you hypocritical oxygen thieves.

Oh and I had more fun with $5-$10 games than the steaming piles of sh*t you flog at $110.

Vesica_Prime

Calm down bro.. calm down... you don't need to kill nobody today :|

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#31 Fizzman
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F*** EA.

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#32 OneLazyAsian
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Is this starting to become a trend at EA?

1. Talk smack about a rival company's product and how much their product is better.

2. Watch their product fail to live up to what they hyped it to be.

3. Pretend they weren't serious about the smack talk before.

4. ??

5. Profit!

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#33 LordRork
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Never say never, it just ends badly.

If publishers and developers didn't want 75% off sales, they would have either renegotiated with Valve or abandoned Steam a very long time ago.

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#34 noscope-ak47
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Never say never, it just ends badly.

If publishers and developers didn't want 75% off sales, they would have either renegotiated with Valve or abandoned Steam a very long time ago.

LordRork

Sure they would have but when the sale hits everybody picks up games. Sure they could keep the old price and sell a couple copies or drop the price and move hundreds of copies.

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#35 LordRork
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Sure they would have but when the sale hits everybody picks up games. Sure they could keep the old price and sell a couple copies or drop the price and move hundreds of copies.

noscope-ak47

Absolutely. The artistic integrity argument only goes so far, and with games usually on multiple services and platforms I find the "intellectual property" argument a load of rubbish. The publishers must be fairly happy to have games sold for peanuts given the way it raises the games' profile on the service and forums like these...particularly when they've probably done the vast majority of their full price sales in the first month.

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#36 Arbiterisl33t69
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EA butthurt, lol.
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#37 Vesica_Prime
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Calm down bro.. calm down... you don't need to kill nobody today :|

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Sorry mate, EA's trash talking just bothers me. Smacks of the holier than thou attitude all whilst being hypocritical in their business.

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#38 milannoir
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And that's one of the reasons why I'm never going to buy something from Origin.

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#39 tomarlyn
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Mass Effect on the iPad costs less than a pizza and their big dogs like Dead Space/FIFA often go on sale for pennies or free. EA is and always will be full of s***
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#40 GhoX
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[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

Whether you love to bash on EA and make love to Steam or not, they have a good point.

lx_theo

What is the point that EA service is not doing the numbers like steam is ??

That the pc market does better than the 360 and ps3 combined??

That EA makes you use their own servers so that used games need to pay to pay online.

I never said EA is doing it better... I am saying that they have a good point that the discount system Steam uses devalues franchises and brand names.

Go learn economics. What Steam does is fishing in a lot of customers who wouldn't have otherwise even considered the games at the original prices. When a game comes out, at the original price there is a certain number of players interested in buying. After those players bought the game, what's next? Simply waiting for people to change their mind about the price? No, instead they should discount the price once in awhile, that way players who aren't willing to pay the full price may get the game too. What's the end result? The developer managed to make sales to both the primary audience, and secondary audiences who would only pay discounted prices. They manage to make more money. It's not as if the people who paid for the game at full price start demanding for refund. Unless, of course, the game sucks, but then they are demanding refund not because of the price, but because of an absence of quality. The games are also digital copies too, so there is little room for resale.
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#41 SaudiFury
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your average full price game profits will happens in the first 1-3 months after a game then begin to taper off.

the issue that EA, Sony, Microsoft, and others with their digital stores don't get is you cannot expect sales to continue for your titles 1 or more years down the road if you maintain asking for a full price of the game, when 10 or more retailers and services are offering the same "cheapend intellectual property" at a much lower price.

Steam isn't cheapening intellectual properties, it's keeping it alive by 1. helping to undercut pirates by offering some discount to a game, no hassle, no torrents, not screwing around with files. 2. getting the games in the hands of more players.

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#43 Hexagon_777
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GOG did say something similar a while back.
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#44 imprezawrx500
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Origin exclusive means no sale unless it is dirt cheap bargain bin material. Steam is just awesome though.
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#45 ArisShadows
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Never will touch Origin..
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#46 pelvist
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Werent they giving away Burnout Paradise on Origin a few months back to get people to install Origin? Surely if they beleive what they are saying then wouldnt giving away a game for free cheapens its intelectual property more than putting it in a sale?

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#47 KungfuKitten
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Wouldn't it be great if intellectual property became practically worthless? I think it would be.

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#48 loosingENDS
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There right in a way

If you bring huge AAA games for 10$, you complelty destroy any attempt of indie or smaller developers to get in the marekt, eventually destroying any chance we have to see new unique experiences than AAA huge budget more of the same games only

So, essentially they are right, even though they do mention it as rivals

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#50 IAmNot_fun
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Fvck you EA, you shouldnt trash talk Steam before fixing that fvck-up also known as Origin client