Eurogamer Soapbox: Nintendo's creative decline

Read the article here (found this on GoNintendo).

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I think it goes to show that Nintendo's reception has hit Sonic level of bad.

Holy crap this whole nintendo bash-train is getting really old.

Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing are among the best things Nintendo has invented since the analogue stickEurogamer

[QUOTE="Eurogamer"]Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing are among the best things Nintendo has invented since the analogue stickIronBass

Luigi's Mansion was a great game. It did not need some fat Jeff Gerstmann easy mac champion to give it any credit. It was great on being fun. Animal Crossing was likewise a never-ending game that was fun forever.Olimar_the_Min

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Eurogamer"]Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing are among the best things Nintendo has invented since the analogue stickOlimar_the_Min

I'll reserve the rest of my judgement once Skyward Sword drops, but other than that Nintendo doesn't even have the slightest bit of creativity anymore in my opinion.

Nintendo definatly is not what it use to be back in the SNES and N64 days.

I use to love Nintendo consoles but this Wii has been pretty dissapointing imo. Just feels like they are not trying anymore, besides the odd game. I have not tried the new handheld though, but I do hope it gets alot of games in the future and that the new Nintendo console does well to and makes a few more hardcore, less casual games for the other fans NIntendo use to have.

They are not failing frmo a sales aspect, but imo the quality just is not there as much as it was in gens past from Nintendo. I hope there new console changes that and has Nintendo taking some chances and making some games for all gaming fans, not just casuals.

Hell I love my DS and games like Mario Galaxy1/2, Metriod, Paper Mario games but there is ALOT of crap out there to. More quality Nintendo please!

It's about time they start looking at the mediocrity that is Nintendo. Time to stop acting like they are the gods of gaming, because they are far from it.millerlight89

Its not over until the fat lady sings. All i hear are birds wispering a few doom predictions.

Praising Animal Crossing for being creative and saying SMG2 wasn't.

Okay, Eurogamer. :roll:

Praising Animal Crossing for being creative and saying SMG2 wasn't.

Okay, Eurogamer. :roll:

DarkLink77

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Praising Animal Crossing for being creative and saying SMG2 wasn't.

Okay, Eurogamer. :roll:

SaltyMeatballs

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Praising Animal Crossing for being creative and saying SMG2 wasn't.

Okay, Eurogamer. :roll:

charizard1605

nintendo isn't the GODS of gaming "they use to be when there really wasn't any competition on the market" but now, they need to change up their strats

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]And Zelda is teh rehash! :ocharizard1605

Stop defending them, everything Nintendo has put out has ben carbon copies of their itterations on the NES & SNES. There is basically no differences.

Even CoD has more creative design. Darklink agrees, he loves CoD as much as both of us do.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="6matt6"] But Zelda is. It hasn't changed much in 20 years the biggest change being when it moved to 3D. Even as a die hard Zelda fan I can't see how anyone can deny the game has stayed pretty much the same for 20 years(Zelda II not withstanding). It has stayed the same because its a good formula that people are familiar with. Lucianu

Stop defending them, everything Nintendo has put out has ben carbon copies of their itterations on the NES & SNES. There is basically no differences.

Even CoD has more creative design. Darklink agrees, he loves CoD as much as both of us do.

You know I agree but I have to be subversive about it because of my reputation as a Nintendo fanboy :cry:charizard1605

I apologize, but sometimes i can't resist not speaking the truth. Your reputation shall remain untouched, SW usually forgets after like a day.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]You know I agree but I have to be subversive about it because of my reputation as a Nintendo fanboy :cry:Lucianu

I apologize, but sometimes i can't resist not speaking the truth. Your reputation shall remain untouched, SW usually forgets after like a day.

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]And Zelda is teh rehash! :ocharizard1605

The guy is pretty spot on. Nintendo has lost its mojo. This has been obvious to me for about a decade or more though, the rest of the world is just catching up...

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Every Zelda game has tried something new, since Ocarina of Time that is. Even Twilight Princess.charizard1605

No ones denying the fact that they aren't different and that sequels should be that different, it still doesn't make it at all innovative. The only Zelda I can see being innovative is Skyward Sword because of it's motion controls, which I couldn't care less about.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="6matt6"] And its core gameplay has never truly changed. All the sailing in Wind Waker did was give you an interesting way to explore the land. All TP did was give you Wolf form which again didn't change up the gameplay all that much. Zelda is Zelda I don't think it needs to change. If you like Zelda you play the games and enjoy them. However to say these games are innovative or change things up drastically would be a bold face lie. I would go far enough to say if you play Ocarina you pretty much know what to expect from every game except they all have slight variations. Jolt_counter119

No ones denying the fact that they aren't different and that sequels should be that different, it still doesn't make it at all innovative. The only Zelda I can see being innovative is Skyward Sword because of it's motion controls, which I couldn't care less about.

Oh my God! Nintendo is doomed! :roll:

These people are annoying me now. Nintendo is not going anywhere.

Welcome to how Sony felt in 2006.

Dont worry. Microsoft will get their slice of the proverbial bash pie soon enough.

Yeah I agree with a lot of what that guy is saying in the article.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="6matt6"] How does RE1-3 play even remotely anything like RE4-5?6matt6

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Oh, that's what you're talking about. I get it. But then you could argue that that change has compromised on the identity of the series (which it has). Change for the sake of change is not good you know.Shinobishyguy

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[QUOTE="6matt6"] Yes. Point is there will always be people who hate the changes made and there will be those that love them. The point is there is a change. The criticism of Nintendo only really changing superficial things about their games is a legitmate one. I am pretty sure someone who got tired of Zelda after playing OoT wouldn't find much to satisfy them in any of the sequels. This is the point. I am a Zelda fanatic but Nintendo probably does have the biggest cult like fanbase that is driven by pure nostalgia not to see the weakness or faults of their games. 6matt6

They're releasing one of the most different console Zelda's in a while, two GOTYs in 3 years, one of the only AAAAe on GSPOT this gen, a great line up for 3DS already, they revive many IPs, and just a few games that wouldn't SELL WELL ANYWAY (Op Rainfall) that probably wouldn't even recoup their dev costs and four months of mediocre sales for the 3DS and everything is bad for Nintendo?

Please. They're introducing a new controller for a new system that will be what MS/Sony copy in 4-6 years anyway, 3D is a very immersive IMO and now the whole industry is taking notice (and the phone market too)

Give it a few months, the 3DS will sell out, all the first party 3DS games will get great sales/reviews, so will Skyward Sword, and the Wii U will launch in Q2 2012 and do very well too.

Now let's all over-react now and act like nothing will ever change.

Also, to the TC, how can someone reach Sonic Bad levels when Sonic Team can't put out hardly any AA/AAA games?

Also, to the TC, how can someone reach Sonic Bad levels when Sonic Team can't put out hardly any AA/AAA games?

darth-pyschosis

Holy crap this whole nintendo bash-train is getting really old.

OwldolphHootler

[QUOTE="6matt6"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]When these "superficial changes" net them classics like Wind waker and mario galaxy 1 and 2, why should we even care?

Shinobishyguy

*head-desk* I never said that.

I said you can't complain when people call them out for using the same formula for 2 decades. Its a legitimate criticism. Yes you brought up one instance where the change in gameplay ruined the game but what about the instances where it works like RE?

You assume the change would automatically be for the worse. I'm ok if they don't change it I'm still going to play, enjoy the Zelda games. However if they do decide to change up I won't complain. There could be changes that where for the better.

Personally, I'm just tired of gamers continually whining about "change."

when it comes to change, for gamers it's either

a) Omg this game is EXACTLY like previous games. MILKAGE. REHASH.

b) Omg This game is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from previous games in the series. WORST GAME EVER CONCEIVED.

Nintendo's ceativity is declining? So that's why SMG.2 is one of the best platformers ever and Skyward Sword is likely to become one of the best action-adventures ever?