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#1  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-uncharted-nathan-drake-collection-is-more-than-just-a-remaster

"The number of changes made to the original assets suggests an overhaul exceeding that of The Last of Us Remastered, with many of the improvements reminding us of the level of effort that went into elements of the current-gen versions of Grand Theft Auto 5. Bluepoint is clearly one of the best in the business when it comes to remastering projects and all the evidence to date suggests that a highly talented developer is at work here, giving all due care and attention in porting over and enhancing three of PS3's most beloved games."

Ichiwawa, SW. I honestly didn't think I would get this or at least not at launch, but this is looking incredible. Your thoughts, SW? You gotta be impressed.

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#2  Edited By lostrib
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So did they make Nathan Drake an even better role model for children? or is it about the same?

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My body is ready.

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#4 Bigboi500
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Still just a remaster. Marketing bs 101.

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From what I've seen it's literally all the same assets they simply uncompressed the textures...

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#6 speedfreak48t5p
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It is more than a remaster. It's 3 remasters. So Eurogamer isn't lying.

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#7  Edited By j2zon2591
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@nyadc said:

From what I've seen it's literally all the same assets they simply uncompressed the textures...

Some look not as good IMO

Loading Video...

0:35 walls on PS4 seem to be missing a texture later

0:42 the 3 white marbles lose some of its sheen.

Anyway, PS4 LoD/draw looks better at 1:04

Seems a window reflection is missing at 1:59 + on the PS4.

Textures on the building/cement skeleton are different at 1:16

Dome below the ground at 1:35 has some sheen w/c the PS3 don't have (alpha/normal?)

extra foliage on the PS4 on the 1st window to the left at 1:40

Different asset at lower left @ 1:51 (ledge/window cover)? Maybe just lod

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#8 commander
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@Bigboi500 said:

Still just a remaster. Marketing bs 101.

still nice for someone that never played an uncharted game, like a lot of x360 owners that went sony this gen.

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@j2zon2591 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen it's literally all the same assets they simply uncompressed the textures...

Some look not as good IMO

Loading Video...

0:35 walls on PS4 seem to be missing a texture later

0:42 the 3 white marbles lose some of its sheen.

Anyway, PS4 LoD/draw looks better at 1:04

Seems a window reflection is missing at 1:59 + on the PS4.

Textures on the building/cement skeleton are different at 1:16

Dome below the ground at 1:35 has some sheen w/c the PS3 don't have (alpha/normal?)

extra foliage on the PS4 on the 1st window to the left at 1:40

Different asset at lower left @ 1:51 (ledge/window cover)? Maybe just lod

Honestly though, it's mostly just uncompressed existing assets and textures. Yeah they increased the LoD and draw distance, and I think people are confusing the missing assets on the PlayStation 3 with the fact that they are there but they do not see them because the draw distance on those assets is not allowing them to be rendered, they're too far away.

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no multiplayer....

Not worth the full price.

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#11 davem1992
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@RTUUMM: In your opinion, worth full price to me.

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#12 SakuraBomb
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I absolutely can't wait to dive into the collection on PS4!

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#13 Ten_Pints
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To me the PS3 version has better lighting and textures... the hell?

Maybe it's just a bad video stream.

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#14 cainetao11
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@RTUUMM said:

no multiplayer....

Not worth the full price.

Agreed. Maybe I can snag this from someone as a Birthday or Christmas gift, but I am not spending my money on this or Gears.

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And yet they could only be bothered to give you half of uc 2/3

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@nyadc said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen it's literally all the same assets they simply uncompressed the textures...

Some look not as good IMO

Loading Video...

0:35 walls on PS4 seem to be missing a texture later

0:42 the 3 white marbles lose some of its sheen.

Anyway, PS4 LoD/draw looks better at 1:04

Seems a window reflection is missing at 1:59 + on the PS4.

Textures on the building/cement skeleton are different at 1:16

Dome below the ground at 1:35 has some sheen w/c the PS3 don't have (alpha/normal?)

extra foliage on the PS4 on the 1st window to the left at 1:40

Different asset at lower left @ 1:51 (ledge/window cover)? Maybe just lod

Honestly though, it's mostly just uncompressed existing assets and textures. Yeah they increased the LoD and draw distance, and I think people are confusing the missing assets on the PlayStation 3 with the fact that they are there but they do not see them because the draw distance on those assets is not allowing them to be rendered, they're too far away.

Yeah and I'm a bit weirded out that some texture work looks better on the PS3 still. Maybe even missing a layer of texture like there again at 2:31 floor tiles. I prefer the PS3's.

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Dat PR

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#18  Edited By Cloud_imperium
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1080p PS4 port with minor improvements here and there. Nothing more. Wonder when will devs stop abusing the word "remaster".

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#19 RR360DD
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Still just a remaster, and no multiplayer lol laaaazy

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@j2zon2591 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen it's literally all the same assets they simply uncompressed the textures...

Some look not as good IMO

Loading Video...

0:35 walls on PS4 seem to be missing a texture later

0:42 the 3 white marbles lose some of its sheen.

Anyway, PS4 LoD/draw looks better at 1:04

Seems a window reflection is missing at 1:59 + on the PS4.

Textures on the building/cement skeleton are different at 1:16

Dome below the ground at 1:35 has some sheen w/c the PS3 don't have (alpha/normal?)

extra foliage on the PS4 on the 1st window to the left at 1:40

Different asset at lower left @ 1:51 (ledge/window cover)? Maybe just lod

Wow, how does PS3 textures look way better then PS4? WTF happened?

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Uh huh

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The lighting looks a bit more natural but I prefer the more vibrant look of the PS3 version.

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@RTUUMM said:

no multiplayer....

Not worth the full price.

I can live without multiplayer, I just wish the games allowed single player access the damn team and co-op levels. The data's on the disc anyway, so just let me play with it, server or no server.

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After watching the video I see no reason to buy them again.

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#25 Blabadon
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Of course it'll be good, it's Bluepoint. I'm just hoping some of the less savory differences are only because this is a beta build.

@lostrib said:

So did they make Nathan Drake an even better role model for children? or is it about the same?

Ugh

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I want to see these games in 1080p, they were impressive before so I look forward to seeing it in person.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

1080p PS4 port with minor improvements here and there. Nothing more. Wonder when will devs stop abusing the word "remaster".

so much that even ports are called remasters now...

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No multiplayer mode included, and just a minor visual overhaul (yes, I understand the technology behind it is impressive, yada yada. I don't care, the end result isn't worth it to me). It's objectively not worth full price.

I will be getting it because I really like Uncharted, but this is a pretty low key remaster.

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This gen is so lolz. Nothing to play? That's OK, just buy the same old games from last gen but with shinier textures!! Oh but wait, I thought console peasants didn't care about textures and pixels n what not.

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No, in fact reworking the assets and making sure the games are 1080/60 is the bare minimum of a remaster.

Many a games released this gen claiming to be a remaster, yet they barely showed any differences.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

No, in fact reworking the assets and making sure the games are 1080/60 is the bare minimum of a remaster.

Many a games released this gen claiming to be a remaster, yet they barely showed any differences.

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

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#32 Legend002
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@nyadc said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

No, in fact reworking the assets and making sure the games are 1080/60 is the bare minimum of a remaster.

Many a games released this gen claiming to be a remaster, yet they barely showed any differences.

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

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@nyadc said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

No, in fact reworking the assets and making sure the games are 1080/60 is the bare minimum of a remaster.

Many a games released this gen claiming to be a remaster, yet they barely showed any differences.

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

Touch ups are remasters. Last of US and Uncharted Collection are as close as one can get to what a remaster is. They keep the original intact without altering what it was, while bringing it up to speed on current tech. Revamping geometry would require changes to the game and could bring (more)bugs to the table. Also, simply adding a much higher resolution texture here and there doesn't always improve things.

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#34 LJS9502_basic
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@commander said:
@Bigboi500 said:

Still just a remaster. Marketing bs 101.

still nice for someone that never played an uncharted game, like a lot of x360 owners that went sony this gen.

That's true. Nothing is inherently wrong with remasters. Consumers have choices. They don't have to purchase anything again but it does give someone the option to play games they missed. Not sure why SW is so against that.

On the other hand......I can't see why anyone would buy the same game over but some people do.

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@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

Yeah specially the part where they don't work online for months while the last gen versions ran fine..

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People are really complaining about no multiplayer?

I didn't know that there was a vocal section of people who people who sucked so badly at real multiplayer games that they're upset that awful ones like Uncharted "multiplayer" isn't available.

To everyone upset go play some real multiplayer games, get good at the real ones instead of dragging down everything with pretend ones like in Uncharted.

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#37  Edited By FoxbatAlpha
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I love as waiting for this to get hyped with needless fluff. Wait over.

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@FoxbatAlpha said:

I love as waiting for this to get hyped with needless fluff. Wait over.

Could you translate this to English por favor.:P

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#39  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@nyadc said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

No, in fact reworking the assets and making sure the games are 1080/60 is the bare minimum of a remaster.

Many a games released this gen claiming to be a remaster, yet they barely showed any differences.

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

Nintendos Wind Waker, Ocania of Time, Majoras Mask, and A Link Between Worlds. Nobodys does it better.

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#40  Edited By NyaDC
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@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

@tormentos said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

Yeah specially the part where they don't work online for months while the last gen versions ran fine..

Yeah, maybe they should just remove the multiplayer entirely...

@mesome713 said:

Nintendos Wind Waker, Ocania of Time, Majoras Mask, and A Link Between Worlds. Nobodys does it better.

Forgive me, I honestly always forget that Nintendo even exists, and I'm not joking lol.

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They should try and ship a complete package. That would be nito.

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#42 Legend002
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@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

FFVII is PS4 exclusive until stated otherwise. The remake was decided because they wanted to boost PS4 sales so yeah and a reimaging is a remake in this instance.

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Meh.

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#44  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@Cloud_imperium: @nyadc: @lostrib:

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#45  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

FFVII is PS4 exclusive until stated otherwise. The remake was decided because they wanted to boost PS4 sales so yeah and a reimaging is a remake in this instance.

I dont think it is, if it was they would be screamin at the top of the mountains.

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#46  Edited By NyaDC
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@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

FFVII is PS4 exclusive until stated otherwise. The remake was decided because they wanted to boost PS4 sales so yeah and a reimaging is a remake in this instance.

Um well it has already been stated otherwise directly in the trailer, they specifically said "Play it first on PlayStation 4", it's not exclusive and it doesn't get more clear than that.

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#47 Legend002
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@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

FFVII is PS4 exclusive until stated otherwise. The remake was decided because they wanted to boost PS4 sales so yeah and a reimaging is a remake in this instance.

Um well it has already been stated otherwise, they specifically said "Play it first on PlayStation 4", it's not exclusive.

And then PC. Not like the Xbone will be able to run it anyway. Plus, no guns in first person.

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@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:
@nyadc said:

From what I've seen this gen only Microsoft has actually remastered games to the point where they could essentially be considered remakes, from the ground up overhauls, not touch ups like Sony is pounding out left and right.

FFVIIR, Ratchet

The Final Fantasy 7 remake is a Square Enix game and it's not exclusive to the PlayStation 4. The Rachet and Clank game coming out in 2016 is a reboot, not a remake and not a remaster.

FFVII is PS4 exclusive until stated otherwise. The remake was decided because they wanted to boost PS4 sales so yeah and a reimaging is a remake in this instance.

Um well it has already been stated otherwise, they specifically said "Play it first on PlayStation 4", it's not exclusive.

And then PC. Not like the Xbone will be able to run it anyway. Plus, no guns in first person.

To me it sounds like another Rise of the Tomb Raider as a timed PlayStation 4 exclusive out of Square, if that ends up being the case I can't wait to see how cows try to rationalize it when they've done nothing but bash Tomb Raider and Microsoft for a nearly identical situation.

"Bu...bu...bu... but Final Fantasy VII originally released on the PlayStation so it's okay..."

I can't wait lol...

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#49  Edited By deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
Member since 2012 • 12449 Posts

Its a friggin remaster.... wonder how much sony paid for this shill article.

gaming sites went to the dogs years ago.

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#50  Edited By Legend002
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@nyadc said:
@Legend002 said:

To me it sounds like another Rise of the Tomb Raider as a timed PlayStation 4 exclusive out of Square, if that ends up being the case I can't wait to see how cows try to rationalize it when they've done nothing but bash Tomb Raider and Microsoft for a nearly identical situation.

"Bu...bu...bu... but Final Fantasy VII originally released on the PlayStation so it's okay..."

I can't wait lol...

TR always did and will do better on PlayStation so it was confirmed the moment MS announced that deal at Gamescom. Final Fantasy on the other hand also better on PS, a lot better. I doubt they'll lose any money at all downgrading the game for Xbox. It's not an online FPS so kids don't want to play it.