'Everybody who wants Halo 3 already has a 360'

...is apparently not the case.

I heard many Sonys fans echo this claim before Halo 3 was released, as I'm sure others will attest.

The proof is in the numbers: not every Halo fan already has a 360. And Halo 3 will continue to push consoles throughout the holiday season, as it tops the wish lists of many younger gamers. In combination with Mass Effect and the Forza 2/Marvel Alliance bundle, it will be difficult for PS3 to make gains against the 360 this holiday, even with a price drop and a lower SKU.

In fact, I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with the 360 Premium and Elite SKU's by March 2008, to coincide with the launch of Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet on Playstation 3.

you are way too neutral. stop that. :PMordred19

Yeah, I kept seeing people going into my local Gamestop and coming out with a copy of Halo 3 and a brand new 360.

I saw a Halo 3 bundle. It was the Halo console, a extra halo controller, the $69 game, Strategy book. I forget the price but it was at Costco.Eltroz

ahh, costco. they like doing things their way, don't they?

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

you are way too neutral. stop that. :PMordred19

TY, I'm actually not, and I've never hidden it :)

I'm more of a Playstation fan at heart, just because my favorite game series have been on Playstation platforms. Also, I tend to defend the PS3 more, because it's the system that's bashed most often here.

But the 360 is my first current gen console and my most anticipated game this holiday is on that system. I just try to call 'em how I see 'em: many Sony fans said that Halo 3 wouldn't be a system seller because everyone who wanted that game already owned the console, and the new NPD numbers have shown that's simply not the case.

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

Thompsonwhore

No, the real question is blah blah blah there IS no question. 360 and Halo 3 are dominating the competition, and all attempts to disagree are veiled damage control posts.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

V_Isle

No, the real question is blah blah blah there IS no question. 360 and Halo 3 are dominating the competition, and all attempts to disagree are veiled damage control posts.

[scared] i agree sir. halo is big we all know that. lets move on

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

V_Isle

No, the real question is blah blah blah there IS no question. 360 and Halo 3 are dominating the competition, and all attempts to disagree are veiled damage control posts.

I wasn't even arguing about sales. Maybe you should actually read what I said and reply with something that's not just a bunch of drooling fanboyism.

Thanks TC for making this thread. Lets hopefully remember this for the xbox 720 if halo isnt at launch last month's sales prove people DO wait for a game to launch to by the system.

I can't believe this was even argued here on system wars. I guarantee next year we'll have the "Gears 2 won't move consoles" debate.DaysAirlines

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

Thompsonwhore

Sure, why not? I don't see why that disproves my suggestion that there are still millions of gamers who want Halo 3, but don't have a 360 yet.

The problem is, there hasn't been a PS3 game deserving of Halo 3-level hype yet. When that quality game comes along, I'm sure it'll push PS3 sales. But none have arrived yet.

Halo 2 sold upwards of 8 million copies, do you really believe that Halo 3 sales have already been exhausted? This is why I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with their console early next year. By that time, Christmas sales of the game will have died down, and Microsoft can catalyze a new wave of hardware sales by packing Halo 3 with the console in order to lure the remaining fence-sitters.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

fuzzysquash

Sure, why not? I don't see why that disproves my suggestion that there are still millions of gamers who want Halo 3, but don't have a 360 yet.

The problem is, there hasn't been a PS3 game deserving of Halo 3-level hype yet. When that quality game comes along, I'm sure it'll push PS3 sales. But none have arrived yet.

Halo 2 sold upwards of 8 million copies, do you really believe that Halo 3 sales have already been exhausted? This is why I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with their console early next year. By that time, Christmas sales of the game will have died down, and Microsoft can catalyze a new wave of hardware sales by packing Halo 3 with the console in order to lure the remaining fence-sitters.

There's a difference between people who buy a system because of a particular title and games that tilts the opinion of a console in a more favoring position in the publics mind because of it's reception and success.

Such as Metal Gear Solid 4. Now, this is just hypothetical, of course. But let's say that it does tremendously well, it's more likely people who were on the fence before who will buy PS3's when the game comes out because of how well received it was, rather it because of them being fans of the game.

i admit, i do want to give halo a try, but i wont buy a system just for halo..
flame-ond3cus

Yup, I am waiting for huxley and jabar.

There's a difference between people who buy a system because of a particular title and games that tilts the opinion of a console in a more favoring position in the publics mind because of it's reception and success.

Such as Metal Gear Solid 4. Now, this is just hypothetical, of course. But let's say that it does tremendously well, it's more likely people who were on the fence before who will buy PS3's when the game comes out because of how well received it was, rather it because of them being fans of the game.

Thompsonwhore

em....perhaps, but I think you're walking a fine line there.

Whether they're preexisting Halo fans or soon-to-be Halo fans isn't really important. The point of my thread remains: Halo 3 has proven itself as a system seller, and there are still millions of gamers out there who want the game but don't have 360's right now.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

There's a difference between people who buy a system because of a particular title and games that tilts the opinion of a console in a more favoring position in the publics mind because of it's reception and success.

Such as Metal Gear Solid 4. Now, this is just hypothetical, of course. But let's say that it does tremendously well, it's more likely people who were on the fence before who will buy PS3's when the game comes out because of how well received it was, rather it because of them being fans of the game.

fuzzysquash

em....perhaps, but I think you're walking a fine line there.

Whether they're preexisting Halo fans or soon-to-be Halo fans isn't really important. The point of my thread remains: Halo 3 has proven itself as a system seller, and there are still millions of gamers out there who want the game but don't have 360's right now.

I'm not talking about whether they're fans of the game or not. I'm not even talking about whether they will enjoy the game or not.

I'm saying it's not that Halo 3 is such a good game that's giving it and the 360 such great sales, it's the media attention, the hype, the word of mouth that's doing it.

Your argument is that people are buying Halo 3 because they're fans of it. I'm saying that people are buying Halo 3 because of the hype; regardless of whether it lives up to it or not.

Neither of us can actually prove our respective sides of the argument, but Halo 3 isn't selling so well on it's merits alone. Nothing without some sort of marketing will sell well.

...is apparently not the case.

I heard many Sonys fans echo this claim before Halo 3 was released, as I'm sure others will attest.

The proof is in the numbers: not every Halo fan already has a 360. And Halo 3 will continue to push consoles throughout the holiday season, as it tops the wish lists of many younger gamers. In combination with Mass Effect and the Forza 2/Marvel Alliance bundle, it will be difficult for PS3 to make gains against the 360 this holiday, even with a price drop and a lower SKU.

In fact, I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with the 360 Premium and Elite SKU's by March 2008, to coincide with the launch of Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet on Playstation 3.

fuzzysquash

Majority already had their xbox 360. 3.3m sales for halo and 512k for 360 sold? what does the xbox 360 regularly sell a month 200k?

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

There's a difference between people who buy a system because of a particular title and games that tilts the opinion of a console in a more favoring position in the publics mind because of it's reception and success.

Such as Metal Gear Solid 4. Now, this is just hypothetical, of course. But let's say that it does tremendously well, it's more likely people who were on the fence before who will buy PS3's when the game comes out because of how well received it was, rather it because of them being fans of the game.

Thompsonwhore

em....perhaps, but I think you're walking a fine line there.

Whether they're preexisting Halo fans or soon-to-be Halo fans isn't really important. The point of my thread remains: Halo 3 has proven itself as a system seller, and there are still millions of gamers out there who want the game but don't have 360's right now.

I'm not talking about whether they're fans of the game or not. I'm not even talking about whether they will enjoy the game or not.

I'm saying it's not that Halo 3 is such a good game that's giving it and the 360 such great sales, it's the media attention, the hype, the word of mouth that's doing it.

Your argument is that people are buying Halo 3 because they're fans of it. I'm saying that people are buying Halo 3 because of the hype; regardless of whether it lives up to it or not.

you're right about the hype factor, the fans were the ones in line at midnight. For example, at my company, there are 200 employees. Out of those 200, I'd say at least 45 % have 360's. Each person that has a 360 bought Halo3. The Halo3 conversation alone is enough to make you want to buy a system so you can play with your friends online. I've had that game since launch and stil havent gone through the campaign. Thats the wierd success of halo, the multiplayer alone is enough to lure people in.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

The question is, who do you call a Halo fan?

The game may encourage people to take the plunge and buy the thing at last because of the hype around it, but to say that there are still however many Halo fans who are just saving up or waiting to buy a 360 is nonsense.

If there was a game with the sort of media and hype that Halo 3 had on the Playstation 3, do you not think people would be getting a PS3 and that game because it convinced them to finally get off the fence?

V_Isle

No, the real question is blah blah blah there IS no question. 360 and Halo 3 are dominating the competition, and all attempts to disagree are veiled damage control posts.

You don't have to trash everybody who disagrees with you... but yeah, I know "this is System Wars and if you don't like it, leave."

Most of your posts seem like veiled (actually, blatant) insults, but whatever.

I saw a Halo 3 bundle. It was the Halo console, a extra halo controller, the $69 game, Strategy book. I forget the price but it was at Costco.Eltroz

Halo 3 bundle is awesome, id love a halo 3

I'm not talking about whether they're fans of the game or not. I'm not even talking about whether they will enjoy the game or not.

I'm saying it's not that Halo 3 is such a good game that's giving it and the 360 such great sales, it's the media attention, the hype, the word of mouth that's doing it.

Your argument is that people are buying Halo 3 because they're fans of it. I'm saying that people are buying Halo 3 because of the hype; regardless of whether it lives up to it or not.

Neither of us can actually prove our respective sides of the argument, but Halo 3 isn't selling so well on it's merits alone. Nothing without some sort of marketing will sell well.

Thompsonwhore

If you look back at my original post, I never said anything about whether people buying or waiting to buy Halo are fans or not. I just said that the game tops the wish lists of many younger gamers, which means Christmas should see another boost in Halo 3 and 360 sales.

And I absolutely agree that hype is a factor in Halo 3's success, but if Halo 3 didn't have the merits to back up the hype, you can bet it wouldn't be doing as well.

In fact, I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with the 360 Premium and Elite SKU's by March 2008, to coincide with the launch of Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet on Playstation 3.

fuzzysquash

you're right. i think that would be a great idea for them.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm not talking about whether they're fans of the game or not. I'm not even talking about whether they will enjoy the game or not.

I'm saying it's not that Halo 3 is such a good game that's giving it and the 360 such great sales, it's the media attention, the hype, the word of mouth that's doing it.

Your argument is that people are buying Halo 3 because they're fans of it. I'm saying that people are buying Halo 3 because of the hype; regardless of whether it lives up to it or not.

Neither of us can actually prove our respective sides of the argument, but Halo 3 isn't selling so well on it's merits alone. Nothing without some sort of marketing will sell well.

fuzzysquash

If you look back at my original post, I never said anything about whether people buying or waiting to buy Halo are fans or not. I just said that the game tops the wish lists of many younger gamers, which means Christmas should see another boost in Halo 3 and 360 sales.

And I absolutely agree that hype is a factor in Halo 3's success, but if Halo 3 didn't have the merits to back up the hype, you can bet it wouldn't be doing as well.

Your whole thread was centered around Halo fan's not yet purchasing Halo 3 and the 360. But, neither of us can prove our respective sides on that anyway.

As for it having merit, well that's a matter of opinion. I personally think it's a casual game in every sense of the word when compared to Counter-Strike, Quake and Unreal Tournament.

A game doesn't need to have depth and mechanics to sell great. Look at Mario, Pokemon, Nintendogs and The Sims. A game that is simpler and easy to get into will always sell better than the hardcore games.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

...is apparently not the case.

I heard many Sonys fans echo this claim before Halo 3 was released, as I'm sure others will attest.

The proof is in the numbers: not every Halo fan already has a 360. And Halo 3 will continue to push consoles throughout the holiday season, as it tops the wish lists of many younger gamers. In combination with Mass Effect and the Forza 2/Marvel Alliance bundle, it will be difficult for PS3 to make gains against the 360 this holiday, even with a price drop and a lower SKU.

In fact, I think Microsoft should bundle Halo 3 with the 360 Premium and Elite SKU's by March 2008, to coincide with the launch of Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet on Playstation 3.

ff7isnumbaone

Majority already had their xbox 360. 3.3m sales for halo and 512k for 360 sold? what does the xbox 360 regularly sell a month 200k?

Sales for the system tripled WW and sales for the month in NA = near 600K. Tell me of another console that has ever sold that well in that month for NA.