Exclusives, one of the main driving force behind System wars and huge bragging rights by gamers. Often there is confusion over the meaning of the word, some don't realise that if the experience is the same on both systems then the game is not an exclusive, whether it's PC/PS3 or 360/PC and even PS3/360. If a game is found on more then one system it's not exclusive because as we all know exclusives are not determined by the system you own but the system the game is available on.
Now I have belief that if a game has far more content on one system compared to another system it becomes an exclusive. Take for example Tales of Vespria and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. Both versions are on the 360 but in comparison the PS3 versions have far more content, like 50% more game basically. Now that 50% cannot be played on the 360 therefore I believe the PS3 version are exclusive. You may think Im doing this to increase PS3 exclusive count but that's not true, 360 still retains exclusivity of it's versions as well.
Now exclusive disc content is very different to DLC, with DLC not every gamer is going to have that extra content, granted it does make the version more favourable for purchase but it doesn't make the disc based game any less of a multiplatform title. It's perfectly fine to say exclusive content to the DLC but not to the actual game. Games like NGS2 and TOV have been deemed exclusive by many sites because the games are vastly improved, not only in the way of graphics but also gameplay (new missions, weapons, characters etc), story (expanded), new modes and additional features thus making them the complete version.
Being the generous fella I am I will let SW decide if such games should be considered exclusive, but I would say that at the end of the day a multiplatform game is one that has the same experience on all systems, compared to an exclusive game where the experience is exclusive to one system. Now don't you think NGS2 and TOV disc experience is exclusive to the PS3?
You know, I would agree with you. I think the problem comes when drawing the fine line as to how much is enough to warrant a mutually different experience from two games that are essentially the same.
When I look at a game like the NG game coming for PS3, it really offers a whole lot-- but others argue that since the gameplay and story are the same, the game remains a multiplatform.
For the sake of SW, I just disregard the notion you are trying to put forth, but I think it would be something I would adhere to subjectively
You still having trouble coping with the fact that the GTA IV DLC is the same as Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2?
MizFitAwesome
GTA4 dlc has to be bought separately. NGS2 comes with the extra content for no extra charge. same with tales of vesperia. and TC, i agree. what's wrong with counting them as exclusives for both systems?
You still having trouble coping with the fact that the GTA IV DLC is the same as Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2?
SilverChimera
GTA4 dlc has to be bought separately. NGS2 comes with the extra content for no extra charge. same with tales of vesperia. and TC, i agree. what's wrong with counting them as exclusives for both systems? Isn't there a version putting the DLC onto the disc? If so, this is another reason why this issue isn't so black and white. I think for simplicity's sake SW has always been against this
Superior multiplat =/= exclusive, period. Btw, what exactly has the PS3 of ToV over the 360 version?IronBass
aparently. a lot.
Full voice acting
Tie-ins with Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike[8]
New playable character (Patty Fleur)
Flynn as a fully customizable, playable character
Repede and Flynn as selectable on-screen avatars
New mini-games (Racing mini-game for Repede)
New cutscenes
New subplots
New main game quests
New sidequests
New songs
New towns
Remodeled towns
New dungeons
New bosses (including the Sword Dancer, Don Whitehorse, and Clint/Tison/Nan)
Boss fight replays at Nam Cobanda Isle (in an area called the Door of Memories)
New Overlimit Levels up to 8[14]
New Hi Ougi/Mystic Artes (including a dual Mystic Arte with Yuri and Flynn)
New Artes
New Skills
New Equipment
A Key Item known as the "Artes Ball," which allows characters to assign up to 8 Artes to the left stick, and 8 Arte Shortcuts to the right stick for a new maximum of 16 Artes.
New Costumes (Including costumes based on other Tales characters and Sgt. Frog[15])
New Skits
A scene-skip feature
Added Team Arena
Connectivity with Tales of VS[16]
Pre-Order Bonus (Abyss character costumes for Yuri, Flynn, and Estelle)
You still having trouble coping with the fact that the GTA IV DLC is the same as Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2?
Alpha-Male22
GTA4 dlc has to be bought separately. NGS2 comes with the extra content for no extra charge. same with tales of vesperia. and TC, i agree. what's wrong with counting them as exclusives for both systems? Isn't there a version putting the DLC onto the disc? If so, this is another reason why this issue isn't so black and white. I think for simplicity's sake SW has always been against this yes, but it still has to be bought separately. the NGS2 content is on the disc for free. and it adds so much more replayability.
[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] GTA4 dlc has to be bought separately. NGS2 comes with the extra content for no extra charge. same with tales of vesperia. and TC, i agree. what's wrong with counting them as exclusives for both systems? Isn't there a version putting the DLC onto the disc? If so, this is another reason why this issue isn't so black and white. I think for simplicity's sake SW has always been against this yes, but it still has to be bought separately. the NGS2 content is on the disc for free. and it adds so much more replayability. Ah I see. And wow, I didn't know ToV was THAT different.
Sorry I had to split my posts in two parts guys, Im using my PS3 browser and it can be a pain in the ass with it's limitations and whatnot, lol.
BTW it's not just a matter of superior version it's the exclusive experience you won't find on other systems. DLC can either be multiplatform or exclusive but the disc game is not counted as an exclusive because it has the same content on both discs, with games like NGS2 and TOV the disc game has far more content, I'll create a list of the extra content a bit later (unless someone else kindly does it for me :P) but it's evident by many previews that both games are new experiences thus gaining exclusive status.
[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] Isn't there a version putting the DLC onto the disc? If so, this is another reason why this issue isn't so black and white. I think for simplicity's sake SW has always been against this yes, but it still has to be bought separately. the NGS2 content is on the disc for free. and it adds so much more replayability. And wow, I didn't know ToV was THAT different. LOL me neither until i checked wikipedia.
[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] it's not just a matter of superior version it's the exclusive experience you won't find on other systems.IronBass
That's exactly why we call a multiplat "superior". Because it offers something the other version does not. Still, superior multiplat =/= exclusive.Extra texture, better lighting here and there is not a new experience. More game modes, expanded story, more gameplay, additional characters, anything like that is a new experience thus warrant an exclusive status. Exclusive DLC is just that, it's not an exclusive game but a game which has far more content on the disc I believe does become an exclusive.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] it's not just a matter of superior version it's the exclusive experience you won't find on other systems.Swift_Boss_A
That's exactly why we call a multiplat "superior". Because it offers something the other version does not. Still, superior multiplat =/= exclusive.Extra texture, better lighting here and there is not a new experience. More game modes, expanded story, more gameplay, additional characters, anything like that is a new experience thus warrant an exclusive status. Exclusive DLC is just that, it's not an exclusive game but a game which has far more content on the disc I believe does become an exclusive.
You could say that the content is exclusive, but going on to say that the whole game becomes exclusive is a bit of a stretch.
[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] it's not just a matter of superior version it's the exclusive experience you won't find on other systems.vaderhater
That's exactly why we call a multiplat "superior". Because it offers something the other version does not. Still, superior multiplat =/= exclusive.Yep I guess that makes sense-- but I think if a game can be superior it can detach itself from being known as a multiplatform. The question is, how much is enough to differentiate a game, and on that question, there will never be a consensus. What exactly does =/= mean? I've seen it forever but never figured it out yet.
[QUOTE="IronBass"] That's exactly why we call a multiplat "superior". Because it offers something the other version does not. Still, superior multiplat =/= exclusive.Alpha-Male22
Yep I guess that makes sense-- but I think if a game can be superior it can detach itself from being known as a multiplatform. The question is, how much is enough to differentiate a game, and on that question, there will never be a consensus. What exactly does =/= mean? I've seen it forever but never figured it out yet.
You still having trouble coping with the fact that the GTA IV DLC is the same as Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2?
SilverChimera
GTA4 dlc has to be bought separately. NGS2 comes with the extra content for no extra charge. same with tales of vesperia. and TC, i agree. what's wrong with counting them as exclusives for both systems? I cant find Sigma 2 for anywhere under £29.99. I can find NG2 for £9.99. Is that extra content really worth £20:|
If extra content is your reasoning for it being exclusive then gears of war should be exclusive to 360 and pc because the pc version has extra campaign
Fine I accept NGS2 and TOV not to be exclusives but clearly superior versions with new experiences :D My topic title till stands though, oh also exclusive DLC should not be called exclusive since it's just extra content like NGS2 and TOV, and most gamers cannot get the DLC. here's looking at you arcade owners, lol
I still believe the GTA4 DLC pack Episodes from Liberty City is exclusive. Together its about 20 hours of gameplay and not available on any other system, AND does not need the original. NGS2 over NG2 is different for a whole bunch of reasons, but mainly its just an improvement with some extra features, not a new game.
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