Fable 2 to have one of the best combat systems to date **RPG KING***

In getting my hands dirty with a throng of bandits, I experienced the pleasures of the combat variations. While only playing a couple of minutes out of the 50 or more hours Peter Molyneux claimed it would take to do everything doesn't exactly give a full realizing of the depth promise, I can assure that the single-button combat works. And as a long-time RPG fan, I can see the potential for Fable 2 to have one of the best combat systems to date. Whether Molyneux and co. can deliver remains to be seen. But I have faith.

heres waiting for the Xbox 360's price drop with the newer chips, Final RehasxtasyXIII what???

Just because every final fantasy game has the same name, doesnt mean that its a rehash. Every game has a different story/characters.

I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

uh huh :roll:

I saw the gameplay demo on IGN. Needless to say, I didn't buy Peter's self-compliments.

Just because every final fantasy game has the same name, doesnt mean that its a rehash. Every game has a different story/characters.

I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

asdasd

Yeah I never realized why people called FF games a rehash.

Fable was a super flop. I have no faith in this guy.

I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

asdasd

Yeah I never realized why people called FF games a rehash.

Fable was a super flop. I have no faith in this guy.

NobuoMusicMaker

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Yeah I never realized why people called FF games a rehash.

Fable was a super flop. I have no faith in this guy.

project343

It was hyped "The RPG to end all RPGs" which would put it beyond AAAA.

I was one of the few who actually really enjoyed Fable 1's combat system (heck, I'm one of few who like Fable 1 is general), so I'm a bit skeptical about the change.project343

Wasn't Fable 1 also hyped as the absolute best RPG ever? Wasn't it hyped as the most original and creative RPG? Wasn't it hyped as being the God of all RPGS? I personally lost a lot of respect for molyneux after all those ridiculous claims and how none of them delivered when Fable came out. Hes already making ridiculous claims again with this game. How about we wait till it comes out.BrownWalrus

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I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

project343

If jrpg's aren't considered rpg's, what category do they belong in? :?

White Knight > Fabletonythestudent

It was hyped "The RPG to end all RPGs" which would put it beyond AAAA.

NobuoMusicMaker

Uh oh Fable 1 repeat . Whats next " falbe 2 will be the best rpg ever "iNeedFreedom

did you played it? how, when, where.

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Yeah I never realized why people called FF games a rehash.

Fable was a super flop. I have no faith in this guy.

project343

If jrpg's aren't considered rpg's, what category do they belong in? :?

fuzzysquash

If sony fan boys hype killzone 2 then whats the problem with hyping fable 2BillGates_Money

probably the insecurity and envy

If sony fan boys hype killzone 2 then whats the problem with hyping fable 2BillGates_Money

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]If sony fan boys hype killzone 2 then whats the problem with hyping fable 2Capal_vicious

probably the insecurity and envy

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I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

project343

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]If sony fan boys hype killzone 2 then whats the problem with hyping fable 2project343

lol WOW

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I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

Saturos3091

In getting my hands dirty with a throng of bandits, I experienced the pleasures of the combat variations. While only playing a couple of minutes out of the 50 or more hours Peter Molyneux claimed it would take to do everything doesn't exactly give a full realizing of the depth promise, I can assure that the single-button combat works. And as a long-time RPG fan, I can see the potential for Fable 2 to have one of the best combat systems to date. Whether Molyneux and co. can deliver remains to be seen. But I have faith.

heres waiting for the Xbox 360's price drop with the newer chips, Final RehasxtasyXIII what???

Capal_vicious

Haha, im going to remember this name because your probably one of the lemmings that say FF13 is coming to the 360, yet you call it a re-hash, then name a game RPG King whenits predecessor was horrible by most RPG fans opinion.

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I will play fable 2 , but Im not buying it. I bought the first one on launch day, beat it the next day.. Thats not what a RPG is supposed to be.

DGZeus

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

If jrpg's aren't considered rpg's, what category do they belong in? :?

project343

I guess it's okay if you want to make that definitional distinction, but most people would disagree with it. However, there is some self-contradiction in your argument.

You said that Fable 1 was a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That implies that you think both Fable and Final Fantasy games are rpg's (hence, Fable is a better rpg than Final Fantasy). If you thought that FF was under a different category of games, that statement would not make sense.

So the real question is, can you assert that Fable is a better game than any Final Fantasy?

[QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

If jrpg's aren't considered rpg's, what category do they belong in? :?

fuzzysquash

I guess it's okay if you want to make that definitional distinction, but most people would disagree with it. However, there is some self-contradiction in your argument.

You said that Fable 1 was a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That implies that you think both Fable and Final Fantasy games are rpg's (hence, Fable is a better rpg than Final Fantasy). If you thought that FF was under a different category of games, that statement would not make sense.

So the real question is, can you assert that Fable is a better game than any Final Fantasy?

nice....

I guess it's okay if you want to make that definitional distinction, but most people would disagree with it. However, there is some self-contradiction in your argument.

You said that Fable 1 was a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That implies that you think both Fable and Final Fantasy games are rpg's (hence, Fable is a better rpg than Final Fantasy). If you thought that FF was under a different category of games, that statement would not make sense.

So the real question is, can you assert that Fable is a better game than any Final Fantasy?

fuzzysquash

I was one of the few who actually really enjoyed Fable 1's combat system (heck, I'm one of few who like Fable 1 is general), so I'm a bit skeptical about the change.project343

I liked its combat sytem, also.

I take the Witcher over this anytime...

Even the demo of Retro Studio Raven Blade was looking better than this.

[QUOTE="project343"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Yeah I never realized why people called FF games a rehash.

Fable was a super flop. I have no faith in this guy.

NobuoMusicMaker

It was hyped "The RPG to end all RPGs" which would put it beyond AAAA.

Beyond AAAA!?

Wow, just wow.

You're the one that wanted to know what category I would put them in if they weren't labeled "RPGs". They are RPGs, as our industry is a bit too lenient with the definition of the RPG.

About the "better" game, it's down to opinion. I like Fable more, as I'm not a big fan of the MMO combat system (FFXI, FFXII), grid-based (Tactics, etc.), or the standard turn-based system (too many to name). Fable's combat system was more like the familiar 3D Zelda system, with lock-on, strafing, lock-on ranged, 1st person ranged, etc. and I'm a huge Zelda fan (although, don't get me started on Twilight Princess' shortcomings).
project343

Alright, I see what you're saying. You would define rpg's differently from the industry's definition. Fair enough.

I just diagree with the argument that wrpg fans tend to put forth that jrpg's are not true rpg's, and therefore any jrpg is inferior to any wrpg. That's what I thought you were implying when you said that Fable is a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That seems to raise Fable on a higher pedestal than FF on a purely definitional basis, which I think is unfair.

But I don't know if that's the argument you were trying to make, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: wow, "c l a s s i f y" is a banned word on GS.

I take the Witcher over this anytime...

Even the demo of Retro Studio Raven Blade was looking better than this.

Redgarl

Same here. The Witcher looks fantastic--much more innovative and fresh than Fable 2.

To the person(s) saying FFs/JRPGs aren't really RPGS:

I can be a jerk too and say Halo is an RPG because you play the role of MasterChief. Would I be right then? Technically, yes. But that's not the definition of RPG in the biz.

From what I understand, an RPG means pretty much any game that has your characters evolving, with equipment, stats and items usually being heavily involved (thus GOW for examplewouldn't be an RPG since it doesn't feature much of any, just a bit here and there).

I just diagree with the argument that wrpg fans tend to put forth that jrpg's are not true rpg's, and therefore any jrpg is inferior to any wrpg. That's what I thought you were implying when you said that Fable is a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That seems to raise Fable on a higher pedestal than FF on a purely definitional basis, which I think is unfair.

fuzzysquash

This certainly isn't what I'm doing. The only reason why I brought up the WRPG / JRPG comparison was to defend Fable from the comment "thats not what a RPG is supposed to be," which implies length is key to an RPG, a trait which most JRPGs hold; however, length has nothing to do with the matter. Role-playing is obviously the fundamental focus to an RPG, and role-playing allows for heavy amounts of replayability, thus diminishing the importance of the main quest's length. I've completed Fable 11 times, bought out every piece of property twice, and pretty well done everything imaginable. My hours of play time in Fable ranges in the triple digits. Anyway, I'm getting a little off-topic. Earning 80 hours on a single linear path isn't superior to earning 80 hours through several play-throughs due to the role-playing factor / customization, and vice-versa. Neither genre is superior to the other; however, the WPRG typically involves more "role-playing" then the JRPG, which means it's truer to the genre.

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I just diagree with the argument that wrpg fans tend to put forth that jrpg's are not true rpg's, and therefore any jrpg is inferior to any wrpg. That's what I thought you were implying when you said that Fable is a better rpg than any Final Fantasy. That seems to raise Fable on a higher pedestal than FF on a purely definitional basis, which I think is unfair.

project343

This certainly isn't what I'm doing. The only reason why I brought up the WRPG / JRPG comparison was to defend Fable from the comment "thats not what a RPG is supposed to be," which implies length is key to an RPG, a trait which most JRPGs hold; however, length has nothing to do with the matter. Role-playing is obviously the fundamental focus to an RPG, and role-playing allows for heavy amounts of replayability, thus diminishing the importance of the main quest's length. I've completed Fable 11 times, bought out every piece of property twice, and pretty well done everything imaginable. My hours of play time in Fable ranges in the triple digits. Anyway, I'm getting a little off-topic. Earning 80 hours on a single linear path isn't superior to earning 80 hours through several play-throughs due to the role-playing factor / customization, and vice-versa. Neither genre is superior to the other; however, the WPRG typically involves more "role-playing" then the JRPG, which means it's truer to the genre.

okay, it seems I misunderstood.

My bad.

To the person(s) saying FFs/JRPGs aren't really RPGS:

I can be a jerk too and say Halo is an RPG because you play the role of MasterChief. Would I be right then? Technically, yes. But that's not the definition of RPG in the biz.

From what I understand, an RPG means pretty much any game that has your characters evolving, with equipment, stats and items usually being heavily involved (thus GOW for examplewouldn't be an RPG since it doesn't feature much of any, just a bit here and there).

Xolver

Killzone didnt live up to it's promises, so let's hype it's sequel to no end!

Fable didnt live up to it's promises, so let's hype it to no end!

Please, albeit they both sound great (Just like the first ones...) I'll wait and see.