Face it lemmings,power of the 360 has been tapped out and it is struggling now.

I may not even bother to respond to this thread cuz if somebody denies this then you can continue to live in the world of dillusions.And please this is not a thread for any PS3 discussion.But ofcourse 360 fanboys will be in epic denial.The following things pretty much prove this.Now deny all you want.

1.Halo 3 easily the biggest and most important game on the platform with nearly endless budget failed to run in the standard 720p resolution.

2.COD4 another big budget game made by talented devs who made COD2 which was easily the best technical accomplisement for a launch 360 game failed to run in 720p,heck it had to dumb down to a lowly 600p to maintain 60fps.

3.Mass effect another huge game had to suffer enormous technical problems perhaps due to the limited power of the 360 for what the devs wanted with the game.

4.And now the latest culprit is rainbow six 2 which runs worse than the original.Sorry fellows but in terms of technical progress this console is heading down and this never happended with any previous console because they didnt have to run games in HD resolutions.And ubisoft makes very good xbox games it's the other platforms that it makes bad ports and stuff.

So does it mean that i stop enjoying my console because of this?No absolutely no.However it's time to face the fact that the 360 was perhaps an underpowered console to begin with and it's future as an "HD" console isnt very good.

Gears of War 2, basically. I'm really not convinced that the issue is a lack of technological toolsets, it's a lack of technical prowess on part of the developers.

Have you seriously been asleep throughout this PS3 performance debacle? We don't have to discuss it, I just want you to acknowledge that it exists and that we came to much the same conclusion.

How it was described to me (the sub-HD thing) is that the framebuffer cannot fit a 720p image (10 MB eDRAM framebuffer) but now that I look back on this it doesn't appear to make any sense. You can actually store a 720p image several times over on a storage space of that size, but....

I don't claim to have any special insight and I have seen MANY multiplatform developers claiming expertise on Beyond3D forums discussing multiplat performance and they specifically mentioned something like tiling as one of the issues with developing for the 360.

The problem is that if you can't fit the image on the framebuffer you have to scale it down to a lower resolution in order that you will be able to use the framebuffer....because the performance tradeoff in lost cycles "tiling" the image is not always worth it. Most of the time the 720p games you see are not using the framebuffer, and if they are, there will be lost cycles.

So the choice is to scale down the image to take adv of the framebuffer or to make a game at 720p without use of the framebuffer.

I make no claim to special knowledge and feel free to doubt what I've written, I certainly do. Confirmation requested.

your poor grammar and spelling, along with the lack of facts presented fails to convince me of your argument.clone01

whats there to proof? just check out the damn games, no? I guess most lemmings don't even care about HD so it doesnt matter.

[QUOTE="clone01"]your poor grammar and spelling, along with the lack of facts presented fails to convince me of your argument.Rhubarb9

whats there to proof? just check out the damn games, no? I guess most lemmings don't even care about HD so it doesnt matter.

PS3s R6vegas runs worse than X360s

PS3s Cod 4 runs the same as X360s......

His argument is flawed.

I don't think you can use multiplats to argue graphics you have to use exclusives. But I do believe the X360 is tapped graphically. That is why lemmings still talk Gears of War. It's still the best looking game on the system and it's a year and a half old. If it wasn't tapped there would be better games by now.

When you look at PS3 the games are still getting better and better graphically. first Lair, then Heavenly Sword, then Ratchet and Clank took up a notch, then Uncharted, next month Gran Turismo: Prologue.

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[QUOTE="clone01"]your poor grammar and spelling, along with the lack of facts presented fails to convince me of your argument.jangojay

whats there to proof? just check out the damn games, no? I guess most lemmings don't even care about HD so it doesnt matter.

PS3s R6vegas runs worse than X360s

PS3s Cod 4 runs the same as X360s......

His argument is flawed.

I just learned of your first point.....and I am pissed.

Scccccccrew Ubisoft. I hated the first one and it looks like I won't touch the next one with a 100 foot pole.

First it was "delay delay delay," now it's "perf drop, perf drop, low res texture."

Sweet, thanks Ubi! I can see you're committed to console parity!

Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

nah i am sure you can get a bit more juice from the 360 and in theory you should get more performance from the PS3.

but basically what you have is the issue with a locked down console system and that is after a while you aren't going to have big graphical jumps.

hence why the PC is still the one to test new technology, because of its moving hardware, devs can create ambitious titles like crysis and by the next console generation apply that knowledge to the new consoles.

Amy of two runs at 720p x2 AA on 360. No AA in the ps3 version.

PS. Uncharted graphics are overrated. It looks nice, but it's behind many other games technically.

I don't think you can use multiplats to argue graphics you have to use exclusives. But I do believe the X360 is tapped graphically. That is why lemmings still talk Gears of War. It's still the best looking game on the system and it's a year and a half old. If it wasn't tapped there would be better games by now.

When you look at PS3 the games are still getting better and better graphically. first Lair, then Heavenly Sword, then Ratchet and Clank took up a notch, then Uncharted, next month Gran Turismo: Prologue.

EmperorSupreme

People keep saying that, but I can't remember a multiplat last gen that looked better on the PS2.

And how are we suppose to compare exclusives? If a game is exclusive, there's nothing on the other console to compare it with.

I think both consoles are roughly comparable 'power'-wise and both will have even better looking game towards the end of their life as history has shown us.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:BobHipJames

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

you couldn't be more wrong...

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:BobHipJames

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

gears>uncharted in graphic

tomb raider>tom raider in gameplay

i think you get the point

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:BobHipJames

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

look at my sig

go to youtube

type warhound gamplay

notice the 360 and pc in title

look at it and tell me that the 360 is maxed out

360 is the graphics king, your precious ps3 hasn't been able to out do a 2 year old gears of war...
colmusterd28

Unreal Tournament 3 is Epics current graphics showcase.. Mark Rein said it himself that UT3 trumps Gears in terms of graphics. More characters, bigger environments, more explosions, more of just about everything. And let's face it, it's not actually coming to X360 since you don't even have a release date yet.

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

Agreed! To the thread starter... You really need to wake up to reality and stop these dumb childish rants.

tell you whats going to interesting and that is far cry 2. again in theory it couldn't run on a console but apparently it does, so its going to be interesting to see how it does.

in the meant time here is a new demo of the game held in london, running on a PC

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/190062.html

Level 1 , nough said.blitzkid1

You were level 1 at one time as well.

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:Pokeratxbox

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

gears>uncharted in graphic

tomb raider>tom raider in gameplay

i think you get the point

Reviewers don't just say Uncharted is better they also say it's not even possible on X360.

Ripten review:http://www.ripten.com/2007/12/01/uncharted-drakes-fortune-review/

"Uncharted has great textures. So what? Well Gears of War is lauded as a graphical show piece mainly due to both its artistic vision and its high resolution textures. Uncharted, however, trumps Gears of War."

"Uncharted also has the best graphics you've ever seen on consoles"

Eurogamer review:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=87533&page=2

"Talking of environments, it's hard to think of a single game that's ever included such lush and staggeringly detailed gaming environment. As much as Gears of War provided a stunning next-generation shooter setting, the moody greys and browns made it a harsh, dark, hostile, and monochromatic place to be. In Uncharted, it's not just superior to Gears in terms of out and out detail, but brings a feel-good factor with the sheer level of environmental variety on offer."

"Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot."

Gamespy:http://goty.gamespy.com/2007/ps3/10.html

"We can confidently say that after playing Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, it is a game that could only be done on the PlayStation 3. Between the amazing vistas that stretch out over the horizon, rich foliage, and the sheer amount of data that pushes the limits of Blu-ray's storage capacity, Naughty Dog's incredibly rich visual splendor is something to behold."

"i think you get the point"

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"] 360 is the graphics king, your precious ps3 hasn't been able to out do a 2 year old gears of war...
EmperorSupreme

Unreal Tournament 3 is Epics current graphics showcase.. Mark Rein said it himself that UT3 trumps Gears in terms of graphics. More characters, bigger environments, more explosions, more of just about everything. And let's face it, it's not actually coming to X360 since you don't even have a release date yet.

GameSpot says June, 2.So does GameStop.

I may not even bother to respond to this thread cuz if somebody denies this then you can continue to live in the world of dillusions.And please this is not a thread for any PS3 discussion.But ofcourse 360 fanboys will be in epic denial.The following things pretty much prove this.Now deny all you want.

1.Halo 3 easily the biggest and most important game on the platform with nearly endless budget failed to run in the standard 720p resolution.

2.COD4 another big budget game made by talented devs who made COD2 which was easily the best technical accomplisement for a launch 360 game failed to run in 720p,heck it had to dumb down to a lowly 600p to maintain 60fps.

3.Mass effect another huge game had to suffer enormous technical problems perhaps due to the limited power of the 360 for what the devs wanted with the game.

4.And now the latest culprit is rainbow six 2 which runs worse than the original.Sorry fellows but in terms of technical progress this console is heading down and this never happended with any previous console because they didnt have to run games in HD resolutions.And ubisoft makes very good xbox games it's the other platforms that it makes bad ports and stuff.

So does it mean that i stop enjoying my console because of this?No absolutely no.However it's time to face the fact that the 360 was perhaps an underpowered console to begin with and it's future as an "HD" console isnt very good.

Musacircuit_2

Bottom line: keep on dreaming

The power of the PS2 was tapped out years ago and it still sells like hotcakes.

Fact: Games and price sell the systems champ.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:BobHipJames

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]Level 1 , nough said.Ragnarok1051

You were level 1 at one time as well.

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:EmperorSupreme

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

gears>uncharted in graphic

tomb raider>tom raider in gameplay

i think you get the point

Reviewers don't just say Uncharted is better they also say it's not even possible on X360.

"i think you get the point"

No we don't get the point. .....lol.. Just because some game reviewing site said Uncharted isn't possible on 360 doesn't make it true. Mass Effect has better visuals than Uncharted in my opinion. Unless they actually try and port it over to 360 we'll never know will we?? I never go by some one else's opinion. Only weak minded people rely on others for facts.

i guess ps3 is tapped out too since 99% of thier games dont run at the standard 1080p

and your arguement is flawed since almost every multiplat looks/runs better on 360(from what i hear and see)

You basically screwed your own argument by listing COD4 and Rainbow Six Vegas 2, two multiplats that run exactly the same on the PS3...unless your willing to admit the PS3 has "tapped out"?xTHExJUICEx

Exactly. I'm not sure what point there is here when the IGN review also sates there are PS3 issues. Worse in fact.

Are either the PS3 or 360 tapped out? I don't think so. What I know for sure, this game is not a good example to use.

The 360 is not maxed. You have no proof, its just your opinion, which is wrong.

I am not a fanboy i do actually like the ps3 a little more but the 360 is a great console. GeOW2 looks good, better than other games out. I think that the ps3 may be slightly more powerfull than the 360, but the 360 is by no means maxed out.

Plus the ps3 version of R6V2 is not as good as the 360 one, probably due to porting issues. I am still getting the ps3 one though as I dont have live.

PS3 and X360 both have framerate issues. Seriously this gen it's pretty bad.. I never encountered so many framerate issues with consoles EVER before this.jangojay

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:BobHipJames

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

hmmm...and yet it didn't score well, and it didn't sell well...weird....but what can you expect from enemies hide beyind 1 inch pipe railing hoping not to get shot and the amazing gameplay of I will put a big giant red gas barrel that blows up on the stern of my boat then rush towards the enemy, and lets not forget the plastic looking foilage and enviorments. plastic looking as in PD0 plastic looking.

Then why have countless PS3 games been dogged on by reviewers for even MORE slowdown than the 360 versions. IGN said that Rainbow Six Vegas 2 has slowdowns on the 360, but there are even more slowdowns on PS3, and worse textures.

The framerate issues are the developers IMO, because it seems that both of the true next-gen graphics consoles (Xbox 360 and PS3) suffer from slowdowns on many games. Neither console has an advantage

but haven't you noticed that almost every game doesnt allow you to go above 720p on ps3.....1080i should be standard...but for some dumb reason its not with ps3 games....imagine what 1080i/1080p would of made uncharted look like...it already looked friggin amazing..but that would of pushed it over the edge IMO

plus im still waiting for my ps3 to steal my attention....im sure it will EVENTUALLY....till then 360 4 teh winz!!!!!

COD2 which was easily the best technical accomplisement for a launch 360 game failed Musacircuit_2

Man, COD 2 graphicly was the worst X360 launch title. Ancient engine from first COD wich didn't have any dynamic lighting at all

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Why dont cow's face it that they bought into the hype of teh cell and blu-ray that makes there game superior :lol:WilliamRLBaker

Uncharted>everything released on 360 thus far.

Face that, then we'll talk.

hmmm...and yet it didn't score well, and it didn't sell well...weird....but what can you expect from enemies hide beyind 1 inch pipe railing hoping not to get shot and the amazing gameplay of I will put a big giant red gas barrel that blows up on the stern of my boat then rush towards the enemy, and lets not forget the plastic looking foilage and enviorments. plastic looking as in PD0 plastic looking.

im going out on a limb on this one...but im guessing you haven't played this game yet...this game made my friend who absolutely hates ps3 think twice before judging a ps3 game

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"] COD2 which was easily the best technical accomplisement for a launch 360 game failed goddamn_

Man, COD 2 graphicly was the worst X360 launch title. Ancient engine from first COD wich didn't have any dynamic lighting at all

graphically it wasnt the best but if i put my mind back to the 360 launch it was still impressive

graphically it wasnt the best but if i put my mind back to the 360 launch it was still impressiveCwlHeddwyn

PDZ and PGR 3 had much better visuals. DOA 4 just better

Let me be frank, I don't think the Xbox 360 OR the PS3 truly have the power to run full HD games. I think both Microsoft and Sony were in too big a hurry to one-up eachother in the console race they were short-sighted with the true ability of the hardware they equiped in these machines. Programmers can do some truly amazing things...they have and they will., but we won't see standard gaming in 1080p until next generation.Newsboy

Hey look guys! A sensible post!