Facts about the Wii

Fact: Wii DOES NOT come close to graphical presentation in comparison to the 360/PS3.

Fact: Wii DOES NOT come close to the subscription service of XBOX Live.

Fact: Wii DOES sell the most consoles currently.  They are currently winning in sales, no matter who is buying the console.

Fact: Wii DOES sell at a profit.  Nintendo is a company, a company is supposed to make profit off what they sell.

Fact: Wii DOES hold the capacity to make a lasting, and entertaining game.  And USES that capacity in several titles.

These are five facts about the Wii.  Unequivocal.  These facts often are meddled with by "Wii-haters" who try to spin the Wii into a negative light.  This thread is a futile attempt to get those to understand that, yes, Wii in fact does not have graphics to the specifications of their competitors.  And no, it does not need those graphics to sell their system either.  Otherwise the current scenario would look drastically different.

Thank you.

Finally, someone more concerned about the facts of the war than the slightly twisted junk ordinarily brought to the table. In other news...

Just to add some facts from my perspective as a mainly PC gamer.

Fact - PC games have been playing at HD settings, the major 'claim to fame' of the other two consoles, for years. The lowest HD setting, 480p, is even an even lower resolution than the absolute lowest PC setting for ANY game.

As such, I am more interested in having an interesting game and new control scheme than shiny graphics on my console. If I want to look at something shiny, I'll be on my gaming rig.

Fact - The Wii-mote is the most daring gamble nintendo, or any company really, has taken on the gaming industry in years. The failure of the Wii-mote (and I don't mean the wrist straps...) would have meant the certain failure of the Wii as a next-gen console and millions down the drain for nintendo. This can hardly be said for any other 'revolution' currently released. HD wasn't a terrible leap, just the next logical step. No developer has released anything particularly revolutionary in quite a while, preferring to stick to tried-and-true game and business models to avoid a complete failure.

If anyone cares to point out a more daring gamble in the industry in recent years, please let me know and I will feel free to concede or at least discuss the point. Still, I do hope that this gamble's complete success helps set a new precedent. I am getting extraordinarily tired of seeing the same old, same old year after year in this industry.

In the end, hats off to nintendo. They took a risk and its paying off big. Now I just hope they don't squander it in similar ways to the DS technology. They've set the stage for making some monumental changes in the nature of gaming and if they don't take advantage of it, the industry may as well have signed its own death warrant and simply lie down in the rut it has created for itself. Long live the game.

Finally, someone more concerned about the facts of the war than the slightly twisted junk ordinarily brought to the table. In other news...

Just to add some facts from my perspective as a mainly PC gamer.

Fact - PC games have been playing at HD settings, the major 'claim to fame' of the other two consoles, for years. The lowest HD setting, 480p, is even an even lower resolution than the absolute lowest PC setting for ANY game.

Der_Niabs

I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live. The VC is fantastic. I think I have 10 VC games now. Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Firelore29

i dun buy vc, i still have my n64

I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live. The VC is fantastic. I think I have 10 VC games now. Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Firelore29

I was speaking of Xbox Live as a multiplayer gaming experience.  You pay for the best. 

The VC, in my opinion, is better than Arcade, I have 8 games myself, and I love it.  But that cant be considered a fact because its arguable.

Vs The worst looking Ps3 game still looks better than a future Wii game.Dualshockin

and it will continue like that, still the wii is alot of fun 

and it will continue like that, still the wii is alot of funKaosed

[QUOTE="Kaosed"]and it will continue like that, still the wii is alot of funDualshockin

thats why the wii is just 250 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Kaosed"]and it will continue like that, still the wii is alot of funKaosed

thats why the wii is just 250

[QUOTE="Der_Niabs"]

Finally, someone more concerned about the facts of the war than the slightly twisted junk ordinarily brought to the table. In other news...

Just to add some facts from my perspective as a mainly PC gamer.

Fact - PC games have been playing at HD settings, the major 'claim to fame' of the other two consoles, for years. The lowest HD setting, 480p, is even an even lower resolution than the absolute lowest PC setting for ANY game.

Tasman_basic

What are those games, like 20 years old? 

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW ! 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Vs The worst looking Ps3 game still looks better than a future Wii game.Kaosed

and it will continue like that, still the wii is alot of fun

Why are you comparing a PS2 game to a PS3 game (since the smart ones know that UBI soft is just porting the PS2 version)?   By the way do you want me to bring out Gundam?  I didn't think so.  

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

molinex

The core is called the tard pack for a reason. 

[QUOTE="molinex"]

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

bloodychimp

The core is called the tard pack for a reason.

lol and still that tard pack kicks the Wii ass easily:lol:

I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live.  The VC is fantastic.  I think I have 10 VC games now.  Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Firelore29

PSP is more capable than the VC. 

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live. The VC is fantastic. I think I have 10 VC games now. Xbox live is full of junk and demos.mahjustin

PSP is more capable than the VC.

So with the PSP I can download and play games from the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Turbo Ghx16, and soon Neo Geo?  Your statement is ridiculous.  

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="molinex"]

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

molinex

The core is called the tard pack for a reason.

lol and still that tard pack kicks the Wii ass easily:lol:

Wow how old are you?  8? Naw maybe 10. 

Behold the usual nintendo fanboy

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[QUOTE="Firelore29"]I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live. The VC is fantastic. I think I have 10 VC games now. Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Ichiroisawsome

PSP is more capable than the VC.

So with the PSP I can download and play games from the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Turbo Ghx16, and soon Neo Geo?  Your statement is ridiculous.  

Wow if you think my statement is ridiculous, you are truly uninformed about the capabilities of the PSP. Everything you just stated/questioned is right, and that's just scratching surface.

Fact:  Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week. 

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="molinex"]

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

molinex

The core is called the tard pack for a reason.

lol and still that tard pack kicks the Wii ass easily:lol:

Not really - no wireless controller, no internal memory, I would hate to have a core pack.

The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game. 

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live. The VC is fantastic. I think I have 10 VC games now. Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Ichiroisawsome

PSP is more capable than the VC.

So with the PSP I can download and play games from the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Turbo Ghx16, and soon Neo Geo? Your statement is ridiculous.

In a word, yes. The irony of the situation is that I will probably end up buying a PSP to play all my old Nintendo games on the road. Only the ones I own though. I would never dream of stealing from a company like Nintendo after all the fun they have brought me over the years. 

Why are you comparing a PS2 game to a PS3 game (since the smart ones know that UBI soft is just porting the PS2 version)? By the way do you want me to bring out Gundam? I didn't think so.Ichiroisawsome

The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.bloodychimp

[QUOTE="molinex"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="molinex"]

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

bloodychimp

The core is called the tard pack for a reason.

lol and still that tard pack kicks the Wii ass easily:lol:

Not really - no wireless controller, no internal memory, I would hate to have a core pack.

The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.

still not even close to the power of the 360 face it $250 for a console that offers little upgrade to its prodecesor is

just dumb

Fact:  Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week. 

Corvin

Fact: That is an onpinion.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

Fact: Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week.

Marka1700

Fact: That is an onpinion.

Maybe I'm too educated on the hardware of next-gen consoles but seems like a fact to me.  It would be an opinion if I said the Wii was properly priced, but the fact is, its not, it is a completely rip-off for its price range but most don't see it because they are willing to be ripped off because it is supposedly more 'fun', and that makes it worthwhile to them.  Thats capitalism for ya.  I'd pay maybe $199, ideally $179 for a Wii.  Not $250, thats just about as bad as a $180 120 GB HDD for the 360.

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="molinex"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="molinex"]

50 more bucks can buy you a 360

only 50 more bucks WOW !

molinex

The core is called the tard pack for a reason.

lol and still that tard pack kicks the Wii ass easily:lol:

Not really - no wireless controller, no internal memory, I would hate to have a core pack.

The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.

still not even close to the power of the 360 face it $250 for a console that offers little upgrade to its prodecesor is

just dumb

Why is it dumb? If it has fun games what makes it not worth the $250? I would rather spend $250 for 2001 hardware than $600 for a console that seems to exist solely to push a disc format that is about to be raped by Wal-Mart. 

I will agree with all of those except the Xbox Live.  The VC is fantastic.  I think I have 10 VC games now.  Xbox live is full of junk and demos.Firelore29

I agree, and you have to pay for P2P gaming :lol: 

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"]The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.Dualshockin

Could SMG be pulled off on a GC? I think not. Also, the lack of harddrive doesn't really matter, as I doubt most people will ever use more than the internal solid state memory. And if it costs $200 to manufacture, why would Nintendo sell it at a loss? They are a business, they exist to make money.

I'm not going to deny that the Wii online really sucks. FCs are possibly the worst abomination ever. 

[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

Fact: Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week.

Corvin

Fact: That is an onpinion.

Maybe I'm too educated on the hardware of next-gen consoles but seems like a fact to me. It would be an opinion if I said the Wii was properly priced, but the fact is, its not, it is a completely rip-off for its price range but most don't see it because they are willing to be ripped off because it is supposedly more 'fun', and that makes it worthwhile to them. Thats capitalism for ya. I'd pay maybe $199, ideally $179 for a Wii. Not $250, thats just about as bad as a $180 120 GB HDD for the 360.

I think it should be $199 to, but Nintendo can't make enough of them to sell at $250 so you really cant fault them for it. They are a business and they exist to make money. It is getting enough good games in the next few months to warrent the price though. I would pay $250 for SSB online alone, even with friend codes.

Fact: Wii DOES NOT come close to the subscription service of XBOX Live.hiho24

[QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

Fact: Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week.

bloodychimp

Fact: That is an onpinion.

Maybe I'm too educated on the hardware of next-gen consoles but seems like a fact to me. It would be an opinion if I said the Wii was properly priced, but the fact is, its not, it is a completely rip-off for its price range but most don't see it because they are willing to be ripped off because it is supposedly more 'fun', and that makes it worthwhile to them. Thats capitalism for ya. I'd pay maybe $199, ideally $179 for a Wii. Not $250, thats just about as bad as a $180 120 GB HDD for the 360.

I think it should be $199 to, but Nintendo can't make enough of them to sell at $250 so you really cant fault them for it. They are a business and they exist to make money. It is getting enough good games in the next few months to warrent the price though. I would pay $250 for SSB online alone, even with friend codes.

Considering the Wii is not exactly built on any cutting-edge hardware there is no good excuse why they can't manufacture these things fast enough to keep up with demand. 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"]The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.bloodychimp

Could SMG be pulled off on a GC? I think not. Also, the lack of harddrive doesn't really matter, as I doubt most people will ever use more than the internal solid state memory. And if it costs $200 to manufacture, why would Nintendo sell it at a loss? They are a business, they exist to make money.

I'm not going to deny that the Wii online really sucks. FCs are possibly the worst abomination ever.

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"][QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

Fact: Wii is overrated and overpriced compared to what the other consoles offer, most consumers just aren't tech savvy enough to realise it, and Nintendo knows that.

If I were working at a place like Gamestop or EB Games, I would completely recommend the 120$ PS2 over the Wii any day of the week.

Corvin

Fact: That is an onpinion.

Maybe I'm too educated on the hardware of next-gen consoles but seems like a fact to me. It would be an opinion if I said the Wii was properly priced, but the fact is, its not, it is a completely rip-off for its price range but most don't see it because they are willing to be ripped off because it is supposedly more 'fun', and that makes it worthwhile to them. Thats capitalism for ya. I'd pay maybe $199, ideally $179 for a Wii. Not $250, thats just about as bad as a $180 120 GB HDD for the 360.

I think it should be $199 to, but Nintendo can't make enough of them to sell at $250 so you really cant fault them for it. They are a business and they exist to make money. It is getting enough good games in the next few months to warrent the price though. I would pay $250 for SSB online alone, even with friend codes.

Considering the Wii is not exactly built on any cutting-edge hardware there is no good excuse why they can't manufacture these things fast enough to keep up with demand.

They simply dont have the plants for it. They are not a huge hardware manufacturer like Sony is. And by the time they got more plants built the demand will have died down. 

The very first fact TC brought up was

 Fact: Wii DOES NOT come close to graphical presentation in comparison to the 360/PS3.

So isn't dumb to bring in the graphics argument again? Yes, everybody knows the Wii is weaker than 360/PS3 by now, how can they not? You have trolls bringing in the graphics argument into any Wii topic. Catch up, will you? You have been doing graphics comparison since the Wii came out, so yes, it's getting boring.

After playing Resident Evil 4 on the GC,I highly believe SMG can be pulled off on the GC. Isnt the internal memory 512 MB?what good is this? Agreed on the friend codes,Nintendo need to remove this nonsense asap.Dualshockin

Let's wait until the game actually comes out before we go saying whether it could or could not have been done on the Gamecube.

As for the Wii's memory, it also has an SD card slot, remember? SD cards currently reach 8GB in HCSD format (2GB in standard format), with the maximum size increasing fairly frequently. Save game files and legacy games are pretty small, so 512MB is plenty. To put this in perspective, the standard PS2 memory card is 8MB. What takes up a bunch of space on the 360 and PS3 is all of those videos and other assorted crap that people download. The HD South Park episode alone takes up over 1GB.

SD cards do have a very solid advantage over hard drives, in spite of their smaller size: they are solid-state. SD cards have no moving parts, and thus are much less likely to fail. A hard drive will eventually wear out, whereas an SD card won't.

The worst looking Ps3 game still looks better than a future Wii game.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="bloodychimp"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="bloodychimp"]The Wii has all the "neccessary" bells and whistles - WiFi built in, wireless controllers, the cool disk eating drive, an SD slot instead of using proprietary memory cards, internal solid-state memory. Its a pretty sweet package for $250 with a game.Dualshockin

Could SMG be pulled off on a GC? I think not. Also, the lack of harddrive doesn't really matter, as I doubt most people will ever use more than the internal solid state memory. And if it costs $200 to manufacture, why would Nintendo sell it at a loss? They are a business, they exist to make money.

I'm not going to deny that the Wii online really sucks. FCs are possibly the worst abomination ever.

My gripe with the Wii is the Gamecube vibes i am getting from it! Patience did not see a solid library of decent games released for the Cube ... walk into any gameshop, there are walls full of titles for the PS2 and Xbox, many of them quite good - then there is just a fraction of wall space devoted to the Cube - with only a smal handful of titles worthy of any play! Give it a couple more years and i'm quite confident i can post a HUGE list of games that blew me away on 360 and PS3, while only listing a tiny amount of Wii games that were worthy of purchase! VC is a grand idea, but there is a wealth of really poor games available, with such a grand history (NES and SNES) behind them, it's such a shame to see this concept is not being implemented as well as it could be! Dismemba

What "gamecube vibes" do you speak of? The Wii is the fastest selling console of all time. By the end of this year alone, it will have sold almost as much as the gamecube did in it's lifetime. Developer support for the Wii is much higher and the software tie-ratio is much higher. Third party sales in the US are good. The Wii is nothing like gamecube.

As far as the VC is concerned, Nintendo would have to be idiotic to release everything at once. -and by releasing a few titles at a time, they are giving people a chance to take a look at games they may not have heard about but may interest them. Really, if you can't find anything good to buy on the VC yet then you really don't like the NES/SNES anyway.

My gripe with the Wii is the Gamecube vibes i am getting from it! Patience did not see a solid library of decent games released for the Cube ... walk into any gameshop, there are walls full of titles for the PS2 and Xbox, many of them quite good - then there is just a fraction of wall space devoted to the Cube - with only a smal handful of titles worthy of any play! Give it a couple more years and i'm quite confident i can post a HUGE list of games that blew me away on 360 and PS3, while only listing a tiny amount of Wii games that were worthy of purchase! VC is a grand idea, but there is a wealth of really poor games available, with such a grand history (NES and SNES) behind them, it's such a shame to see this concept is not being implemented as well as it could be! Dismemba

Are you mad? I have 24 GCN games, all of which I love, except Sonic Mega Collection...