Fallout 3 hatred?

There is an immense amount of hatred on the internet for fallout 3 just because it doesn't play exactly like fallout 1 and 2.

So While fallout 1 and 2 are great games, they do not stand up to the test of time.You could argue all you want about how the writing and atmosphere is better, but it really isn't. You could argue that it is harder (It probably is, doesn't make it better just because you have to save all the time.)

In fallout 3, you can explore the game from a first person perspective. You might argue that this is bad, but it actually makes the fallout universe feel more alive. Would you rather see a vault boy on a billboard from the top down? or would you rather simply look at it?

Also combat is a lot more exciting, you can actually circle strafe if you want, but you can go into v.a.t.s and shoot if you want to, to those that say that the game is simply pressing the vats button and blowing heads off, I will tell you that if your agility stat is below 6 you will not hit your mark the majority of the time.

Also there is a much greater feeling for the need to conserve your resources. That means that somebody who found a fat man can't just launch mini nukes all wily nily.

BUT I could argue all I want about how the game is better and you may or may not agree.

However there is no denying that fallout 3 is a pretty decent game, and the original fallout fanbase is very lucky that they even made fallout 3.

without it you wouldn't have a good sequel, you would only have brotherhood of steel.
It is pretty ungrateful to say that a sequel to an obscure game that improves on the games in a lot of ways is a bad way to treat the fallout franchise.

Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

Espada12

It was a good game.

However when you start playing, and are reminded of TES: Oblivion, that kind of ruined it for me. The gameplay is somewhat different, but it just rings Oblivion when I sit to play it.

I love fallout 3. Fallout 1 & 2 doesn't look interesting.Soulja_West

FALLOUT3 SUCKED

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]I love fallout 3. Fallout 1 & 2 doesn't look interesting.Aljosa23

I agree. People whine because Fallout 3 isn't like the originals, Oblivion isn't like Morrowind, and Bioshock didn't stand up to the System Shock series.

But these are all solid games (at least in my opinion) that stand up quite well on their own. Can't we just appreciate games for what they are rather than what we thought they should have been?mattbbpl

i never played the original fallouts and i can still tell you fallout was a broken game. boring at times as well

i still enjoyed it, i just dont think it deserves the praise it got

hell, oblivion was really boring at times too...soo much walking...

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Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

absorbent_kitty

I sit on the same couch when PC gaming as when console gaming. You sir, are wrong.

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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]I love fallout 3. Fallout 1 & 2 doesn't look interesting.Soulja_West

Why play games when we can watch someone on justin.tv play them?

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I would love to know your reasoning behind that statement.

Why play games when we can watch someone on justin.tv play them?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I agree. People whine because Fallout 3 isn't like the originals, Oblivion isn't like Morrowind, and Bioshock didn't stand up to the System Shock series.

But these are all solid games (at least in my opinion) that stand up quite well on their own. Can't we just appreciate games for what they are rather than what we thought they should have been?

i never played the original fallouts and i can still tell you fallout was a broken game. boring at times as well

i still enjoyed it, i just dont think it deserves the praise it got

hell, oblivion was really boring at times too...soo much walking...

I enjoyed the first 2, was expecting the third to be a crapfest, but was pleasantly surprised.

I'm not going to waste my money on something that I don't think I'm going to like. Just by looking at some gameplay videos of Fallout 1 & 2, they look boring.Soulja_West

I love fallout 3. Fallout 1 & 2 doesn't look interesting.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] I'm not going to waste my money on something that I don't think I'm going to like. Just by looking at some gameplay videos of Fallout 1 & 2, they look boring.Aljosa23

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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]I love fallout 3. Fallout 1 & 2 doesn't look interesting.Soulja_West

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[QUOTE="Soulja_West"] I'm not going to waste my money on something that I don't think I'm going to like. Just by looking at some gameplay videos of Fallout 1 & 2, they look boring.Soulja_West

Oh man, you're right! I guess it's official, F3 is the best Fallout game because GameSpot said so.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Oh man. I could say the exact same thing for Fallout 3...

Oh man, you're right! I guess it's official, F3 is the best Fallout game because GameSpot said so.

I personally thought the map design of Washington DC sucked.

Me - Oh cool the objective of the quest is right up the road

Game - HAHA I BLOCK YOUR WAY WITH RUMBLE ,*****! HAVE FUN USELESSLY WONDERING THROUGH GENERIC TUNNEL SYSTEM NUMBER 15!

Me - :cry:

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Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

absorbent_kitty

What? :lol: does this even make sense??

The problem isn't with Fallout 3 in and of itself, it's with Bethesda's treatment of the Fallout IP and its fans. Rather than doing the honest thing and saying:

"Look, we can't make a true Fallout sequel; it would never be profitable, and frankly it isn't the type of game we want to make. Yes we're going to make some changes, and no you probably won't like all of them, but give us a chance."

Bethesda essentially said:

"We're the biggest Fallout fans in the world. Hell we're such big fans we understand the franchise better than the ex-Black Isle'rs who created it. Not only is Fallout 3 going to be a faithful sequel to the prior games but it'll be a thousand times better. Also, it will in no way, shape or form, be Oblivion with guns."

The problem being Fallout 3 is more-or-less Oblivion with guns, which essentially makes it the anti-Fallout game. The original Fallout titles were great because they allowed you to shape the world: you could do virtually anything you wanted, but you would have to deal with the consequences. Oblivion was the exact opposite: sure you could do virtually anything you wanted, but there were no consequences whatsoever (or at least, no permanent/significant ones).

Now Fallout 3 was certainly an improvement over Oblivion, but it still had many of the same issues -- broken level-scaling, robotic and unlikable characters, and a general feeling that (with the possible exception of Megaton, which BTW made zero goddamn sense -- how does an unexploded bomb leave that big a crater?) you weren't having an appreciable effect on the game's world. Combine that with Bethesda ****ing all over the Fallout lore/backstory, and I think it's easy to understand why Fallout fans are so pissed off.

I loved all of the Fallouts even Tactics. I don't count Brotherhood of Steel.

I don't like Fallout 3 because it's just like the old games, I like it because it isn't. There is nothing wrong with the old games except for a bit of aging. That aside they are still among my favorite games of all time. I think Fallout 3 is a great, flawed game and I can understand why people don't like it. But I like it and to me, that's the most important thing. I put over 200 hours into it and I can't wait for Broken Steel this week.

So While fallout 1 and 2 are great games, they do not stand up to the test of time.absorbent_kitty

Sure they do.

You could argue all you want about how the writing and atmosphere is better, but it really isn't.absorbent_kitty

No, it really is.

Also there is a much greater feeling for the need to conserve your resources. That means that somebody who found a fat man can't just launch mini nukes all wily nily.

absorbent_kitty

Fallout 1 & 2 absolutely had the need to conserve, and arguably, to a greater extent. What are you on about?

Listen, Fallout 3 was a shockingly good game, and is definately deserving of the Fallout title, but it is simply not on par with the original two, in my opinion.

The majority of ppl who played all 3 will tell you that 1 +2 are better rpg's.

While I do like F3 I have this to say:

I've replayed F1+2 numerous times even several years after they were released. The same thing will not happen with the third.

I completely understand where those people are coming from tbh, but I will say that I didn't find Fallout 2 to be particularly great, and could never get around to finishing it. Fallout 1 was fantastic though, even the music beats Fallout 3 stupid.

Oh I know what you're talking about. I hate it when people try to make themselves seem so all knowing just because they played the older games and their opinion matters more. It was the same sort of thing with Resident Evil 4. There's a difference between being disappointed in a game and then bashing other people's opinions just because they didn't play the original games. Fallout 3 gets a lot of praise and hate because it's a popular game, just like Halo 3 and MGS4, or better yet Grand Theft Auto IV...I've seen a lot of hate for that game.

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Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

-Traveller-

I sit on the same couch when PC gaming as when console gaming. You sir, are wrong.

It's right to complain about Fallout 3 not being like Fallout 1 & 2, it's a damn series anyway! Fallout fans didn't liked Fallout 3 not because thefirst-person camera, it's about the depth of gameplay. Compare Fallout 2 to Fallout 3 is like compare an ocean to a cup of water, and I'm not exagerating...

It's right to complain about Fallout 3 not being like Fallout 1 & 2, it's a damn series anyway! Fallout fans didn't liked Fallout 3 not because the first-person perspective, but because the lack ingameplay depth. Compare Fallout 2 to Fallout 3 is like compare an ocean to a cup of water, and I'm not exagerating...

fallout 3 is one of my fav games this gen :) i dont understand all this apparent hatred for it...i loved it :P

fallout 1-2 were good games back in the day but last time i played them was about 10 years ago :/

I'm sure it's a great game and all, but I found it to be really unpolished, one thing that really ticked me off was how horrible the animations were, like when you zoomed out and played in 3rd person. Didn't really like it too much.

I played through and beat Fallout 1 & 2 long before 3 was ever announced. Fallout 1 had a certain gritty and dire atmosphere that I think 2 lacked. I found Fallout 1 to be a far better game than 2 mainly because of the ending. With that said I don't think anyone could have done as good or a better job of making Fallout 3 as Bethesda did. When I play Fallout 3 it doesn't feel at all like playing 1 or 2 but then again I didn't expect it would. Fallout 3 is so much more immersive visually that finding a common ground between the games is tough, for instance in 1 & 2 you needed a map for fast travel between areas, whereas in 3 you travel to the areas in person thus never breaking the suspension of disbelief like the fist games could and would. Ultimately I would say the single biggest reason I think Fallout 3 succeeds is because I love the game for almost all of the same reasons I loved the originals. The story, atmosphere, RPG with guns, mature content. I don't think I would have enjoyed 3 anywere near as much as I do if they had retained the original perspective, just like I wouldn't have enjoyed GTA 3, VC, SA, and 4 had they retained the original perspective ala GTA 2.

I loved Fallout1 and 2 and i enjoyed Fallout3 alot.

Fallout1 and 2 are still much better games (atmosphere is much better, more humour, story is better, and dialogue is better).

But with all that being said, Fallout3 is far from a bad game.

So i guess ium one of the few who has enjoyed all the games in the Fallout series.

And i dissagree with you about the older afllout games not standing the test of time, they are still lots of fun imo.

Fallout1 = 10/10

Fallout2 = 9/10

Fallout 3 - 8.5/10

All in my opinion of course.

Some people are just impossible to please. Fallout 3 is an amazing game. I've played through it 4 times.

Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

Espada12

Did everyone forget the term "Oblivion with guns" because thats exactly what Fallout 3 is, a heavily toned down casualized butchered of it's depth WRPG with mediocre gun play. Morrowind and Fallout 1 & 2 where true master pieces and real WRPGs. You don't see this type of goodness in games anymore because of the newer more easily pleasing generation of gamers.

I love Fallout 3, easily the best WRPG this generation, possibly even the best game this generation.

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Fallout 3's gameplay isn't good by today's standards.. so I don't see how you can say 1+2 didn't stand the test of time. The game gets boring about 7hours in.

cainetao11

Wait wait, so what response should I give other than my own opinion on the matter?