Fallout 3: Most unsuprising game of all time.

I thought it would be good.supercubedude64

The advertizeing for this game was insane I must say.JangoWuzHere

Brilliant, very similar to Morrowind, modest commercial success, holds true to Fallout, somewhat bug-ridden.. honestly, is there anything about the final result of this game that no one foresaw?di_sgt_barber

Most of those things are good things. It is brilliant, being closer to Morrowind is better than being closer to oblivion, it is pretty true to fallout (there aren't any contradictions AFAIK) and at least it doesn't have as many bugs as daggerfall

Brilliant, very similar to Morrowind, modest commercial success, holds true to Fallout, somewhat bug-ridden.. honestly, is there anything about the final result of this game that no one foresaw?di_sgt_barber

Bethesda needs to fire everybody who writes their dialogue and story, and hire people with some degree of talent and imagination. There were some interesting elements and quirks, but none of them were really fully developed. Other than that, any problems I had with Fallout 3 were minor and easily modded to my liking.

Bethesda needs to fire everybody who writes their dialogue and story, and hire people with some degree of talent and imagination. There were some interesting elements and quirks, but none of them were really fully developed. Other than that, any problems I had with Fallout 3 were minor and easily modded to my liking.

t3hTwinky

The advertizeing for this game was insane I must say.JangoWuzHere

I didn't like Oblivion at all but this was one of my top games of 08. Yeah the main plot was really bad especially at the begging but towards the end it was not so bad. Besides I enjoyed the rest of the quests a lot more.

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Bethesda needs to fire everybody who writes their dialogue and story, and hire people with some degree of talent and imagination. There were some interesting elements and quirks, but none of them were really fully developed. Other than that, any problems I had with Fallout 3 were minor and easily modded to my liking.

II_Seraphim_II

I didn't like Oblivion at all but this was one of my top games of 08. Yeah the main plot was really bad especially at the begging but towards the end it was not so bad. Besides I enjoyed the rest of the quests a lot more.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Bethesda needs to fire everybody who writes their dialogue and story, and hire people with some degree of talent and imagination. There were some interesting elements and quirks, but none of them were really fully developed. Other than that, any problems I had with Fallout 3 were minor and easily modded to my liking.

Dystopian-X

for me it was one of the most surprisingly good games ever ... (like Kane&Lynch)

I dont care about Oblivion or elderscrolls or Bethesta ... but FO3 is like there where never a pause between FO2 and FO3, but there are actual 10years between those games... it must be the best sequel ever thought out... the advertising was horrible and fokused on all the things they expected 14year old kids would might like in agame... the advertising made me hate FO3 ...

but the actual game is genius and brilliant ... it was made by people wich cared about the original Fallout spirit... and sold by people wich made it as mainstream and thus appealing as possible ... if you take a second thought about this, the whole concept of the marketing followed a Fallout-scheme of making satiric and sarcastic fun out of actual (american) society ... besides GTA4 I never laughed so hard about american-lifestyle and its selfdestructive idotism ... (always check or hack the terminals and reas!)

greetz

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^ That's like saying that all the games that used the Quake III/UT engine where mods; and I wouldn't consider American McGee's Alice as a Q3 mod.

The difference is that Oblivion wasn't about choices when it came to quests (a characteristic witch put Fallout above all other rpgs), or the bleak-gritty setting.

Brilliant, very similar to Morrowind, modest commercial success, holds true to Fallout, somewhat bug-ridden.. honestly, is there anything about the final result of this game that no one foresaw?di_sgt_barber

Modest commercial success ?!

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I didn't like Oblivion at all but this was one of my top games of 08. Yeah the main plot was really bad especially at the begging but towards the end it was not so bad. Besides I enjoyed the rest of the quests a lot more.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] No, what Bethesda needs to do is to not force games to run under the Oblivion engine. Fallout 3 is the first mod I have ever paid for :(II_Seraphim_II

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]II_Seraphim_II

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Fallout 3 is an OK game, But It doesn't have that re-playability I always found in Morrowind, FO3 main quest wasn't all that good either I had more interest in the Side-quests then anything.

I did however find it better then Oblivion though (hell the only fun I had with Oblivion to be honest was looking up what mods to use...)

/Opinion

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"]I thought it would be good.di_sgt_barber

As a Bethesda game, you'd assume that the game would be terrible given its ties to Oblivion, and maybe even worse because they're playing with one of the more iconic RPG universes. I don't really know why he assumed that it would be good, tbh.

Having said that, the thing that surprised me was that the game wasn't actually terrible. I'd even go as far as to call it 'good'...maybe - at least it was enjoyable, despite its numerous flaws.

I still can't believe Oblivion scored the way it did, it's like the frickin' twilight zone.BobHipJames

Oblivion is probably my most hated game of all time, and yet I still got some small mote of enjoyment out of Fallout 3. The Fallout universe/mechanics do a lot to cover up Bethesda's terrible design choices.

...Other than the game being playable, nothing else surprised me - the dialogue was terrible, the story not even worth mentioning, the combat clunky, the setting was wrong and the content was lacking.

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="supercubedude64"] how could you be disappointed? you know it's by Bethesda, and it's in the Fallout universe. where is that even remotely misleading?Planeforger

As a Bethesda game, you'd assume that the game would be terrible given its ties to Oblivion, and maybe even worse because they're playing with one of the more iconic RPG universes. I don't really know why he assumed that it would be good, tbh.

Having said that, the thing that surprised me was that the game wasn't actually terrible. I'd even go as far as to call it 'good'...maybe - at least it was enjoyable, despite its numerous flaws.

I still can't believe Oblivion scored the way it did, it's like the frickin' twilight zone.BobHipJames

Oblivion is probably my most hated game of all time, and yet I still got some small mote of enjoyment out of Fallout 3. The Fallout universe/mechanics do a lot to cover up Bethesda's terrible design choices.

...Other than the game being playable, nothing else surprised me - the dialogue was terrible, the story not even worth mentioning, the combat clunky, the setting was wrong and the content was lacking.

As a Bethesda game, you'd assume that the game would be terrible given its ties to Oblivion, and maybe even worse because they're playing with one of the more iconic RPG universes. I don't really know why he assumed that it would be good, tbh.

Having said that, the thing that surprised me was that the game wasn't actually terrible. I'd even go as far as to call it 'good'...maybe - at least it was enjoyable, despite its numerous flaws.

Planeforger

of course, videogames are Art, its no question about that... because they are products of creativity... it depends on your very own definition of art... but if you get to the point where you can freely say, yes, I understand that art is the media of truth ... you will be able to really sort things out (if you get less comlex)... but for now its enough for you to know, yes, videogames are art...

greetz

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]

As a Bethesda game, you'd assume that the game would be terrible given its ties to Oblivion, and maybe even worse because they're playing with one of the more iconic RPG universes.

FrozenLiquid

Oh, I know that, but Oblivion was highly successful, and this was touted as being 'Oblivion with guns'. That's not a very fair description, though - it ended up being more like 'Morrowind with guns', which might actually be a compliment (maybe).

But I MUST ask what was enjoyable about the game, especially because you consider so many aspects to be a little worse than meh and the game to be almost good.BobHipJames

I wouldn't say that there's much intentional entertainment there, but (like Oblivion) there are plenty of ways of entertaining yourself, screwing around with the AI and physics and so on.

First of all, I called it a mod once. And if you check the Fallout 3 files, you will see that the files are under the ESM format "Elder Scrolls Manager" format. It is basically an elaborate mod for the Oblivion engine. And saying my statement isn't true really isnt going to change my mind....II_Seraphim_II

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^ That's like saying that all the games that used the Quake III/UT engine where mods; and I wouldn't consider American McGee's Alice as a Q3 mod.

The difference is that Oblivion wasn't about choices when it came to quests (a characteristic witch put Fallout above all other rpgs), or the bleak-gritty setting.

DOF_power

So basically because they didn't change a file extension, that makes FO 3 an Oblivion mod? Nice reasoning there.

Fallout 3 is overrated just like oblivion.McdonaIdsGuy

cosign

fallout 3 is trash

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]Fallout 3 is overrated just like oblivion.dthach614

cosign

fallout 3 is trash

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

I didn't like Oblivion at all but this was one of my top games of 08. Yeah the main plot was really bad especially at the begging but towards the end it was not so bad. Besides I enjoyed the rest of the quests a lot more.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] No, what Bethesda needs to do is to not force games to run under the Oblivion engine. Fallout 3 is the first mod I have ever paid for :(II_Seraphim_II

Just because they use the same engine does not make them a Mod. I mean Dosen't Halo 3 use the Halo 2 engine?

It was an awesome game really. It just had a horrible story.SpinoRaptor24

I wasn't expecting the ending to suck. :(Timstuff

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"]Brilliant, very similar to Morrowind, modest commercial success, holds true to Fallout, somewhat bug-ridden.. honestly, is there anything about the final result of this game that no one foresaw?II_Seraphim_II

It looks and feels like Fallout, that's why.

My only real complaint is that Fallout 3 doesn't have as much incentive to play the game differently absed on your character. In the old games, there was a definite advantage to sneaking and stealing, or playing as an unarmed brawler, or being a trigger happy shooter. Fallout 3 is very much a shooter in the fallout mold and no real reason to customize your character.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"]Brilliant, very similar to Morrowind, modest commercial success, holds true to Fallout, somewhat bug-ridden.. honestly, is there anything about the final result of this game that no one foresaw?ZIMdoom

It looks and feels like Fallout, that's why.

My only real complaint is that Fallout 3 doesn't have as much incentive to play the game differently absed on your character. In the old games, there was a definite advantage to sneaking and stealing, or playing as an unarmed brawler, or being a trigger happy shooter. Fallout 3 is very much a shooter in the fallout mold and no real reason to customize your character.

I can see where you're both coming from. I greatly enjoyed F3 but it kind of felt like someone doing an homage to a film they watched with the sound off, it just doesn't quite capture the essence of the original, its hard to explain.blue_hazy_basic

I feel like F3 is the next logical step for the game to take and that is why I felt it was almost exactly like F1 and F2...with the exception of the customization which I already mentioned. I think if Bethesda made any mistakes, it was they spent too much time worrying about 250 different endings and should have focused more on 250 different ways to play the character.

I think that is literally the only difference. The old games really let you customize your character and it affected how you played the game. I don't feel that with F3.

Ok, I left for a while and there are alot of responses I need to get to, so im just going to do them all in one post without quoting anyone: @ BobHipJames: I cant take the screens for you because I uninstalled FO3 from my computer a while back and don't really feel like installing it again. Once my internet stops acting up I'll look for a link and post it up for you. Im sure someone else has noticed this too. @JangoWuzHere, DOF_power , Dystopian-X : Let me explain. You guys gave examples regarding Halo 2 and Halo 3, and another regarding Quake 1 and Quake 2. What you need to realize about the examples you gave is that those games are from THE SAME SERIES, and thats my point. Everyone expects Halo 3 to be very similar to Halo2, as one would expect Quake 1 to resemble Quake 2 closely. What no one expects is for a fantasy themed RPG to closely resemble A post apocalyptic RPG, but they do. This is why I call Fallout 3 a mod. The graphics are identical to Oblivion, the enemy AI seems to be exactly the same as Oblivion, the combat system is just as terrible as in Oblivion, with the enemies that dont respond to being attacked, their only tactics are either rush or stand and shoot. The only thing thats different between Fallout and Oblivion, is VATS and thats it. Take out VATS, and someone could make a Fallout 3 in Oblivion. If you were to mod a gun in Oblivion, it would play just like Fallout, think of the guns in Fallout 3 as "fast bows". Even the dialog system is exactly the same. One would have hoped for different gameplay, but its exactly like the same gameplay as oblivion, apart from VATS. There are just too many similarities between FO3 and Oblivion that it feels like FO3 should have been renamed Oblivion: 2k :?II_Seraphim_II

I've played past fallout games extensively...and I fail to see your point. Enemies in past fallout games didn't react to being shot, either rushed or stood and shot. Oops, my bad, occassionaly there would be someone who randomly ran away when almost dead. There wasn't some super AI behind battles in past Fallout games. I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from.

The dialogue is the same as Oblivion? Uhmmmm....last I checked past fallour games had the same, point and click conversation tree with options based on your stats. I don't get how this is any different. Whether Oblivion did the same thing or not is irrelevant.

It seems to me your biggest complaint isn't based on the change from F2 to F3, but moreso you hated Oblivion and Fallout 3 was made by the same people so you have to hate it too. I'm also not a fan of Oblivion, but it is pretty ridiculous, as someone who played past Fallouts extensively, to act like Fallout 3 is completely betrayal to the series when it is largely the same.

I loved the setting of the game, but I kind of understand.

The main issue is not with the game. It's with the dialogue trees being the exact same thing you went through with games like Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, Oblivion, and Mass Effect. At least there isn't as much talking in Fallout 3 as there are in these other titles.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Ok, I left for a while and there are alot of responses I need to get to, so im just going to do them all in one post without quoting anyone: @ BobHipJames: I cant take the screens for you because I uninstalled FO3 from my computer a while back and don't really feel like installing it again. Once my internet stops acting up I'll look for a link and post it up for you. Im sure someone else has noticed this too. @JangoWuzHere, DOF_power , Dystopian-X : Let me explain. You guys gave examples regarding Halo 2 and Halo 3, and another regarding Quake 1 and Quake 2. What you need to realize about the examples you gave is that those games are from THE SAME SERIES, and thats my point. Everyone expects Halo 3 to be very similar to Halo2, as one would expect Quake 1 to resemble Quake 2 closely. What no one expects is for a fantasy themed RPG to closely resemble A post apocalyptic RPG, but they do. This is why I call Fallout 3 a mod. The graphics are identical to Oblivion, the enemy AI seems to be exactly the same as Oblivion, the combat system is just as terrible as in Oblivion, with the enemies that dont respond to being attacked, their only tactics are either rush or stand and shoot. The only thing thats different between Fallout and Oblivion, is VATS and thats it. Take out VATS, and someone could make a Fallout 3 in Oblivion. If you were to mod a gun in Oblivion, it would play just like Fallout, think of the guns in Fallout 3 as "fast bows". Even the dialog system is exactly the same. One would have hoped for different gameplay, but its exactly like the same gameplay as oblivion, apart from VATS. There are just too many similarities between FO3 and Oblivion that it feels like FO3 should have been renamed Oblivion: 2k :?ZIMdoom

I've played past fallout games extensively...and I fail to see your point. Enemies in past fallout games didn't react to being shot, either rushed or stood and shot. Oops, my bad, occassionaly there would be someone who randomly ran away when almost dead. There wasn't some super AI behind battles in past Fallout games. I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from.

The dialogue is the same as Oblivion? Uhmmmm....last I checked past fallour games had the same, point and click conversation tree with options based on your stats. I don't get how this is any different. Whether Oblivion did the same thing or not is irrelevant.

It seems to me your biggest complaint isn't based on the change from F2 to F3, but moreso you hated Oblivion and Fallout 3 was made by the same people so you have to hate it too. I'm also not a fan of Oblivion, but it is pretty ridiculous, as someone who played past Fallouts extensively, to act like Fallout 3 is completely betrayal to the series when it is largely the same.

1) If you played the previous fallout games you would realize that it was technically impossible for a character to just run away randomly, seeing as how the game was TURN BASED. They had to wait until it was their turn before they could react. This practically made the whole notion of cover and so forth non-existant. In a game like fallout which is in first person perspective and NOT turn based, which means that character have the OPTION to react while the player is attacking. In FO/FO2, they couldnt hide behind cover because the genre made it impossible, in FO3, they were free to move while being fired yet chose to stand and become a meat shield.

2)Also, FO3 took considerable more skill than FO3. All your perks and skillpoints counted for something, and you had to manage your AP wisely in order to come out of a battle. In Fallout3, you just shoot with VATS. Oh whats that? ran out of AP? Oh no problem! Just shoot manually, and since the characters either dont move or move as slow as molasses those head shots are easy to pull off unless if you are having a siezure!

3) What I mean about dialog is that it too similar to oblivion. Its like they took the Oblivion chat system, changed the words and change the UI. Thats it. Someone is telling you about how his daughter was kidnapped by Super-Mutants, yet he obviously cant be too distraught seeing as he cant even be bother to gesticulate. Its so lifeless and just lazy. Basically Bethesda took Oblivion, and changed the bare minumum possible for it to be considered a different game. Now if this where Oblivion 40k or something, sure that would be fine, because it would cater very well for people who loved Oblivion. But as a Fallout game its absolute crap. Its like banjo nuts and bolt. As a previous fallout fan I was hoping for a game that is difficult, filled with quirky humor, with an enthralling story, and heavy importance on character developement and some strategy in combat. But what I got instead was Oblivion with Guns. Fallout 3 is a game that disregards the fans who made the franchise what it is in favor for the larger casual market....much like the Wii.II_Seraphim_II

I find your reasons weak. You want to attack the game for not being past games, but your reasons for not liking Fallout 3 is for things that the past games didn't do anyway. Clearly your expectations from the game were always WAY OFF based on what was shown for a while before the game came out. You want the game to be "Fallout" and not some other game, yet seem to attack it because it isn't a real FPS or game with better animation...something the old games didn't do.

Seems to me, people are attacking the game not based on what it is and how it maintains the look and feel of past Fallout (and is therefore loyal to the original), but based on their inability to look at the game as NOT a real FPS, but Fallout set in a 3d environment.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]Fallout 3 is overrated just like oblivion.dthach614

cosign

fallout 3 is trash

Did casuals end up buying FO3? Or is mainly a favorite of the core crowd?soulsofblayck

It's like Halo and Gears in that it appeals to both casuals and "hardcore."