Fallout Wars: The Lawsuit Battles between Interplay and Bethesda

"An Interplay stockholder details the countersuit filed by Interplay against Bethesda in reaction to Bethesda's lawsuit over the rights to Fallout Online and the original Fallout games. Interplay argues Bethesda is in breach of contract abd the contract to sell the rights to the series to Bethesda is null and void and Interplay owns the franchise again."

http://n4g.com/News-412811.aspx

This seems to be an interesting turn of events, thoughts? I hope Interplay comes out on top! Imagine if they gain back Fallout!

Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. KHAndAnime

It would be better if both work together to make a Fallout game. I personally liked Fallout 2 better than Fallout 3 and I want Fallout 2's story with Fallout 3's graphics.

Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. gamer620

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. gamer620

Then again I'm not a fan of Bethesda either. I loathe Oblivion with a passion.

oh no D=

me too. bethseda made a good open world post apocalyptic game...but interplay makes better fallout games. ReaperV7

You're confusing Interplay with Black Isle. By all accounts Bethesda is the lesser of two evils for Fallout fans.

Besides, this countersuit reeks of despiration. Interplay has literally no money ($16,000 in cash reserves and $2.54 million of debt as of June 30th), and as far as I know Bethesda bought the Fallout IP outright.

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. ToScA-

Then again I'm not a fan of Bethesda either. I loathe Oblivion with a passion.

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[QUOTE="gamer620"] Why? Interplay didn't develop the original Fallout, Black Isle did and last I checked Interplay doesn't own Obsidian entertainment which is where most black isle members are. Bethesda know more about RPGs than Interplay does.lettuceman44

Then again I'm not a fan of Bethesda either. I loathe Oblivion with a passion.

It sounds to me like Bethesda is totally in the right here, legally.

DOWN WITH BETHESDA!!! (It's cool to be trendy).

GO INTERPLAY!!! God I hope they succeed and get the license back.

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

lettuceman44

pretty much this.

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

lettuceman44

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

Phoenix534

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

Animal-Mother

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

Hopefully this goes nowhere. I'm not sure who is right in this case, but chances are it will be settled out of court. Almost everything is met with a counter sue when someone attempts to sue another, and it never comes to much.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

Animal-Mother

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Phoenix534

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

So in your opinion, rather than have Bethseda develop Fallout games that you wont play, that others will enjoy, you would have Interplay sit on the IP until they run out of money and the IP becomes lost? Even if you don't like the game others do, so your opinion dosn't really matterseeing as all youseem to seek is complete destruction of the IP, which is pointless.

GO BETHESDA GO!

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

tagyhag

That they are. I hope Interplay gets some rights though. Bethesda needs to lighten up and let Interplay finish Project V13.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] thats why the game got a AAA rating and has a 93 score on metacritic :roll:WasntAvailable

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

So in your opinion, rather than have Bethseda develop Fallout games that you wont play, that others will enjoy, you would have Interplay sit on the IP until they run out of money and the IP becomes lost? Even if you don't like the game others do, so your opinion dosn't really matterseeing as all youseem to seek is complete destruction of the IP, which is pointless.

They didn't just sit on the IP. The last Fallout game published by Interplay was in 2004, and they were having Black Isle make Fallout 3. That's anything but sitting on the license.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

tagyhag

Not in my opinion, but alot of people do think that. Also I liked Oblivion alot more than Morrowind, and Ithought it's score was fairly justified. It's all opinions, but you don't pull a 93 out of nowhere.It was a great game, but it was a popular target.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] thats why the game got a AAA rating and has a 93 score on metacritic :roll:WasntAvailable

Not in my opinion, but alot of people do think that. Also I liked Oblivion alot more than Morrowind, and Ithought it's score was fairly justified. It's all opinions, but you don't pull a 93 out of nowhere.It was a great game, but it was a popular target.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

Phoenix534

So in your opinion, rather than have Bethseda develop Fallout games that you wont play, that others will enjoy, you would have Interplay sit on the IP until they run out of money and the IP becomes lost? Even if you don't like the game others do, so your opinion dosn't really matterseeing as all youseem to seek is complete destruction of the IP, which is pointless.

They didn't just sit on the IP. The last Fallout game published by Interplay was in 2004, and they were having Black Isle make Fallout 3. That's anything but sitting on the license.

Diffrence is the last good Fallout game published by Interplay was 1998.Interplay never actuallypublished Fallout 3 if you recall, and they didn't make it because they couldn't afford it. They were sitting on it as far as I am concerned, they wern't going to do anything meaningful with the IP on any account.

It would be better if both work together to make a Fallout game. I personally liked Fallout 2 better than Fallout 3 and I want Fallout 2's story with Fallout 3's graphics.

OneLazyAsian

That's what Fallout New Vegas is for - Fallout 2's developers working on Fallout 3's engine to make a (hopefully) worthy sequel to the originals.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Animal-Mother

RPGs are sort of dead this gen, so anything with shiny graphics seems to be getting good marks.
Remember Oblivion? That didn't have a single meaningful roleplaying mechanic, and yet everyone loved it.

Anyway yeah, I don't care for either company (they've both screwed us over), but Bethesda are letting Obsidian make Fallout games so I hope they win.

I don't like Bethesda but they have the rights to the IP considering they bought them.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

So in your opinion, rather than have Bethseda develop Fallout games that you wont play, that others will enjoy, you would have Interplay sit on the IP until they run out of money and the IP becomes lost? Even if you don't like the game others do, so your opinion dosn't really matterseeing as all youseem to seek is complete destruction of the IP, which is pointless.

WasntAvailable

They didn't just sit on the IP. The last Fallout game published by Interplay was in 2004, and they were having Black Isle make Fallout 3. That's anything but sitting on the license.

Diffrence is the last good Fallout game published by Interplay was 1998.Interplay never actuallypublished Fallout 3 if you recall, and they didn't make it because they couldn't afford it. They were sitting on it as far as I am concerned, they wern't going to do anything meaningful with the IP on any account.

They didn't get it published because they couldn't handle money. Now, if they got it back and didn't do crap with it, then you know that either Bethesda or Obsidian(please let Obsidian get the Fallout license!!!) would take the license.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Phoenix534

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] So did COD:4 (AAA and 94) and that game was MUCH better than its predecessors right? :P On topic: Bestheda is legally right on this one.tagyhag

Not in my opinion, but alot of people do think that. Also I liked Oblivion alot more than Morrowind, and Ithought it's score was fairly justified. It's all opinions, but you don't pull a 93 out of nowhere.It was a great game, but it was a popular target.

You're talking about Fallout now, I was talking about Oblivion. Story in Fallout 3 was pretty awful, but it wasn't fantastic in Fallout 2 either, in fact it was a bit disapointing. I still think the original Fallout games are overrated. I can't get over how awful the combat system is, it just really bugs me. Click point click wait repeat. No skills, just repeating the same repetitive action over and over again. That ruined it for me.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

They didn't just sit on the IP. The last Fallout game published by Interplay was in 2004, and they were having Black Isle make Fallout 3. That's anything but sitting on the license.

Phoenix534

Diffrence is the last good Fallout game published by Interplay was 1998.Interplay never actuallypublished Fallout 3 if you recall, and they didn't make it because they couldn't afford it. They were sitting on it as far as I am concerned, they wern't going to do anything meaningful with the IP on any account.

They didn't get it published because they couldn't handle money. Now, if they got it back and didn't do crap with it, then you know that either Bethesda or Obsidian(please let Obsidian get the Fallout license!!!) would take the license.

What are you talking about? Bethseda do own the IP, and Obsidan are developing a Fallout game. If Interplay got the IP back they still wouldn't be making any money. They are going to run out of money if they keep going the way they are, Fallout or not. The developers of Fallout 1/2 no longer exsist. Interplay did not develop Fallout.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

Not in my opinion, but alot of people do think that. Also I liked Oblivion alot more than Morrowind, and Ithought it's score was fairly justified. It's all opinions, but you don't pull a 93 out of nowhere.It was a great game, but it was a popular target.

WasntAvailable

You're talking about Fallout now, I was talking about Oblivion. Story in Fallout 3 was pretty awful, but it wasn't fantastic in Fallout 2 either, in fact it was a bit disapointing. I still think the original Fallout games are overrated. I can't get over how awful the combat system is, it just really bugs me. Click point click wait repeat. No skills, just repeating the same repetitive action over and over again. That ruined it for me.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

Diffrence is the last good Fallout game published by Interplay was 1998.Interplay never actuallypublished Fallout 3 if you recall, and they didn't make it because they couldn't afford it. They were sitting on it as far as I am concerned, they wern't going to do anything meaningful with the IP on any account.

WasntAvailable

They didn't get it published because they couldn't handle money. Now, if they got it back and didn't do crap with it, then you know that either Bethesda or Obsidian(please let Obsidian get the Fallout license!!!) would take the license.

What are you talking about? Bethseda do own the IP, and Obsidan are developing a Fallout game. If Interplay got the IP back they still wouldn't be making any money. They are going to run out of money if they keep going the way they are, Fallout or not. The developers of Fallout 1/2 no longer exsist. Interplay did not develop Fallout.

I know Interplay didn't develop Fallout. Black Isle Studios(one of the best developers in the history of gaming I might add) and Obsidian is full of their old members. I know Obsidian is making New Vegas, but Bethesda isn't giving them any creative freedom on this project. Obsidian has already shown that they'd be much more competent with a license like this; one that needs story and characterization.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] Indeed it was a great game, but to say that it had a better story than 1 or 2, or even depth, that might be going a bit too far.tagyhag

You're talking about Fallout now, I was talking about Oblivion. Story in Fallout 3 was pretty awful, but it wasn't fantastic in Fallout 2 either, in fact it was a bit disapointing. I still think the original Fallout games are overrated. I can't get over how awful the combat system is, it just really bugs me. Click point click wait repeat. No skills, just repeating the same repetitive action over and over again. That ruined it for me.

The leveling system in Oblivion is pure perfection, IMO. It's way more realistic than anyother. And a real-time isometric RPG exists. It's called Diablo.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] Indeed it was a great game, but to say that it had a better story than 1 or 2, or even depth, that might be going a bit too far.tagyhag

You're talking about Fallout now, I was talking about Oblivion. Story in Fallout 3 was pretty awful, but it wasn't fantastic in Fallout 2 either, in fact it was a bit disapointing. I still think the original Fallout games are overrated. I can't get over how awful the combat system is, it just really bugs me. Click point click wait repeat. No skills, just repeating the same repetitive action over and over again. That ruined it for me.

But even still, the combat system is just plain bad regardless of time period. It's far too simplistic to keep it intresting for the entire game. Everything takes absolutely ages and you are basically using two items every time. Select gun, fire, wait, mabye heal at some point.That did my brain in very quickly. I mean they could have thrown in some other element to make it more intresting, like something to activate while in battle. I mean there were drugs, but there was literally no point in taking those because you knew there was allways a risk of addiction, and it never really made it worth it. It was just so... bland.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

You're talking about Fallout now, I was talking about Oblivion. Story in Fallout 3 was pretty awful, but it wasn't fantastic in Fallout 2 either, in fact it was a bit disapointing. I still think the original Fallout games are overrated. I can't get over how awful the combat system is, it just really bugs me. Click point click wait repeat. No skills, just repeating the same repetitive action over and over again. That ruined it for me.

Phoenix534

The leveling system in Oblivion is pure perfection, IMO. It's way more realistic than anyother. And a real-time isometric RPG exists. It's called Diablo.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] Ah sorry, I thought the 93 was meant for Fallout 3. :P Oblivion is hated by many, but its usually just because of the easier difficulty, the spoon-feeding, and the dumb leveling system. However, a modded Oblivion becomes a much better game than Morrowind excluding lore. And I don't understand what you mean by "Click point click wait repeat" That was all the rage in the 90's. :P You couldn't expect a real-time isometric RPG.tagyhag

The leveling system in Oblivion is pure perfection, IMO. It's way more realistic than anyother. And a real-time isometric RPG exists. It's called Diablo.

I meant your leveling system. Now, the monster stuff was a bad idea. And Diablo is still an RPG, although I personally wouldn't classify it as one.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

The leveling system in Oblivion is pure perfection, IMO. It's way more realistic than anyother. And a real-time isometric RPG exists. It's called Diablo.

Phoenix534

I meant your leveling system. Now, the monster stuff was a bad idea. And Diablo is still an RPG, although I personally wouldn't classify it as one.

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

They didn't get it published because they couldn't handle money. Now, if they got it back and didn't do crap with it, then you know that either Bethesda or Obsidian(please let Obsidian get the Fallout license!!!) would take the license.

Phoenix534

What are you talking about? Bethseda do own the IP, and Obsidan are developing a Fallout game. If Interplay got the IP back they still wouldn't be making any money. They are going to run out of money if they keep going the way they are, Fallout or not. The developers of Fallout 1/2 no longer exsist. Interplay did not develop Fallout.

I know Interplay didn't develop Fallout. Black Isle Studios(one of the best developers in the history of gaming I might add) and Obsidian is full of their old members. I know Obsidian is making New Vegas, but Bethesda isn't giving them any creative freedom on this project. Obsidian has already shown that they'd be much more competent with a license like this; one that needs story and characterization.

And you know this how? Bethseda isn't developing the game, if they wanted to make another Fallout the same way they developed 3 they would have done it themselves. It's not as if there's someone sitting there watching Obsidandevelopers making sure they make the game crappy enough so as not to make 3 look bad, hilarious as that would be. They have as much creative freedom as they want as long as they use the same engine that Fallout 3 used. Obsidan don't really make their own IPs anyway. They probably wouldn't buy it considering the way they work.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

What are you talking about? Bethseda do own the IP, and Obsidan are developing a Fallout game. If Interplay got the IP back they still wouldn't be making any money. They are going to run out of money if they keep going the way they are, Fallout or not. The developers of Fallout 1/2 no longer exsist. Interplay did not develop Fallout.

WasntAvailable

I know Interplay didn't develop Fallout. Black Isle Studios(one of the best developers in the history of gaming I might add) and Obsidian is full of their old members. I know Obsidian is making New Vegas, but Bethesda isn't giving them any creative freedom on this project. Obsidian has already shown that they'd be much more competent with a license like this; one that needs story and characterization.

And you know this how? Bethseda isn't developing the game, if they wanted to make another Fallout the same way they developed 3 they would have done it themselves. It's not as if there's someone sitting there watching Obsidandevelopers making sure they make the game crappy enough so as not to make 3 look bad, hilarious as that would be. They have as much creative freedom as they want as long as they use the same engine that Fallout 3 used. Obsidan don't really make their own IPs anyway. They probably wouldn't buy it considering the way they work.

That've already told Obsidian that they have to make it more like Fallout 3 and less like whatever they planned on making it in the fist place. Now, I'm going to go ahead and admit defeat in this battle, but I don't admit that all of my platforms were wrong.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] Realistic as in how? Why would a monster get stronger if you get stronger? They see you leveling so they figure they must lv too? :P Diablo is Hack N' Slashtagyhag

I meant your leveling system. Now, the monster stuff was a bad idea. And Diablo is still an RPG, although I personally wouldn't classify it as one.

If the monster didn't level with you, had good characters, and it actually had a good story, I would have easily named this game perfect. The combat system was fantastic and the world was beautiful.

Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game:

I would really like to Interplay get the rights back and then sell them to Obsidian or BioWare/EA.Zero5000X

This would be perfect.