Fallout Wars: The Lawsuit Battles between Interplay and Bethesda

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

I know Interplay didn't develop Fallout. Black Isle Studios(one of the best developers in the history of gaming I might add) and Obsidian is full of their old members. I know Obsidian is making New Vegas, but Bethesda isn't giving them any creative freedom on this project. Obsidian has already shown that they'd be much more competent with a license like this; one that needs story and characterization.

Phoenix534

And you know this how? Bethseda isn't developing the game, if they wanted to make another Fallout the same way they developed 3 they would have done it themselves. It's not as if there's someone sitting there watching Obsidandevelopers making sure they make the game crappy enough so as not to make 3 look bad, hilarious as that would be. They have as much creative freedom as they want as long as they use the same engine that Fallout 3 used. Obsidan don't really make their own IPs anyway. They probably wouldn't buy it considering the way they work.

That've already told Obsidian that they have to make it more like Fallout 3 and less like whatever they planned on making it in the fist place. Now, I'm going to go ahead and admit defeat in this battle, but I don't admit that all of my platforms were wrong.

Well obviously it's still going to use the same gameplay mechanics as Fallout 3 otherwise it would cost too much money and take too much time. They are still free to develop the game any way they feel like within those boundaries and considering the core gameplay of Fallout 3 is fairly solid itallows for quite alot of freedom. Chances are they will write their own story aswell.

I hope Interplay wins just so they can sell the rights to Obsidian since they can make a Fallout game a lot better than Bethesda.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I would really like to Interplay get the rights back and then sell them to Obsidian or BioWare/EA.Phoenix534

This would be perfect.

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For me it wont, :( , If The Fallout franchise goes to BioWare I might literally cry, I know I'm in the minority but I prefer Bethesda to BioWare,

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Mass Effect had a great story but the gameplay mechanics, the side quests, the DLC and the game world left me very VERY dissapointed, I was excited getting into Mass Effect believing it would crush Fallout 3, but alas Fallout 3 was a much much BIGGER experience, I love how bathesda create their game worlds and quests, and I'd prefer they stay with the Fallout franchise,

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Basically I'm among the minority who thinks currently Bethesda > Bioware (even if they have released fewer games, they put a lot more into their game worlds)

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I heart Bethesda, it's a shame it's become a trend to hate on them, they deserve more respect than they get,

Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game:

Tauu

...You know they made descent3 right?

I think Bethesda should keep the IP... Interplay doesn't have the resources to make another quality Fallout game.

I heart Bethesda, it's a shame it's become a trend to hate on them, they deserve more respect than they get,

ethanradd

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Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game:

topgunmv

...You know they made descent3 right?

Yeah, but it wasn't nearly as good as 1 & 2.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

Phoenix534

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

I think Bethesda should keep the IP... Interplay doesn't have the resources to make another quality Fallout game.

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]I heart Bethesda, it's a shame it's become a trend to hate on them, they deserve more respect than they get,

foxhound_fox

The good mods for oblivion show nothing of a sort that the people that made it could make a game from the ground up and better, they used the framework and blood sweat and tears and just spent weekends adding textures and coding scenarios.

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You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Phoenix534

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

I think Bethesda should keep the IP... Interplay doesn't have the resources to make another quality Fallout game.

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]I heart Bethesda, it's a shame it's become a trend to hate on them, they deserve more respect than they get,

foxhound_fox

Oblivion is a great game, most of the only reason morrowind people were pissed is cause they couldn't create an instantly lvl up all my stats scroll, they actually had to do some sort of work in oblivion.WilliamRLBaker

No they didn't. Enemies levelled up with you, so 'actually doing work' only made the game more difficult - which was a terrible design choice.

Not that it mattered, since there were less skills to choose from, and many of them were redundant (lockpicking could be replaced by an item, speech was pointless, mercantile was pointless, destruction never got powerful enough to be useful, etc.).

And sorry to say but any mod that takes a year or more and simply replaces for the most part textures isn't ground breaking, any one can do that and have so many mods have been made for other games its pretty much shown mod making is not a unique area, there is nothing ground breaking pretty much any more.WilliamRLBaker

There's also nothing groundbreaking about Oblivion. At least the modders were creative in their quest/item/area design - Bethesda's work was simply bland.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] thats why the game got a AAA rating and has a 93 score on metacritic :roll:lettuceman44

Yes. By the same reviewers that will give so many undeserving games high scores becasue they do one or two things well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fallout 3. But Bethesda isn't a good developer IMO.

Interplay isn't a developer. They're publishers.

Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game: Descent!Tauu

Interplay isn't a developer. They're publishers.Phoenix534

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

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[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

gamer620

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

I've tried all of Bethesda's games. All of them very light on real RP elements. And also, the IP going to Interplay is only part of a chain of events that could very well give Fallout story and give it back some of the missing elements.

Isn't Interplay a dead company?

Isn't Interplay a dead company?

Gta3-fan334

Pretty much. They've survived, but they'll roll over and die very soon.

I hated the complete noobification of the Fallout series by Bethesda and their stories are rubbish. That said, I would hate to see Interplay win anything out of this as they did nothing but break the original Black Isle, the greatest dev team of all time IMO.

I also understand people liked F3 and rather than the franchise die I'd like to see more games in hope of a return to past glory.

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Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game: Descent!Phoenix534

Interplay isn't a developer. They're publishers.Phoenix534

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You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

Phoenix534

I've tried all of Bethesda's games. All of them very light on real RP elements. And also, the IP going to Interplay is only part of a chain of events that could very well give Fallout story and give it back some of the missing elements.

Obsidian buying it instead? Yea thats definently going to happen.

I think Bethesda should keep the IP... Interplay doesn't have the resources to make another quality Fallout game.

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]I heart Bethesda, it's a shame it's become a trend to hate on them, they deserve more respect than they get,

DOWN WITH BETHESDA!!! (It's cool to be trendy).

topgunmv

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[QUOTE="gamer620"] Seriously? Did you ever PLAY the games? I don't deny that Fallout 3 and Oblivion are lighter offerings than the previous installments in both series, but to say that they don't know how to make RPGS with good elements? Seriously? Both games are 2 of the best RPGs of the generation with some of the most expansive content in the genre. I was a huge fan of the original Fallout games, and I have enough common sense to realize that Fallout 3 is a completely different beast and definitely stands on its own merit. This hate for Bethesda is retarded. You would rather see the Fallout brand go back to interplay who has NO developers worthy of tackling the IP and will likely once again sell off the rights to someone else (who would be an even worse choice than Bethesda). Interplay want's money. Their lawsuit is stupid.lettuceman44

I've tried all of Bethesda's games. All of them very light on real RP elements. And also, the IP going to Interplay is only part of a chain of events that could very well give Fallout story and give it back some of the missing elements.

Obsidian buying it instead? Yea thats definently going to happen.

Not Obsidian particularly. There's a long chain of events that could lead to Fallout gaining elements that it deserves. Although, it's obvious that Bethesda will win this, since they are legally right in this situation. Interplay is just trying to survive instead of giving up like they should have a long time ago.

Well, if Interplay DOES win this, I hope they take advantage of the opportunity.rcignoni

Knowing Interplay, they wouldn't do anything but try and get someone to buy it so they can live another long, cold day as they rot away into nothingness.

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

I've tried all of Bethesda's games. All of them very light on real RP elements. And also, the IP going to Interplay is only part of a chain of events that could very well give Fallout story and give it back some of the missing elements.

Obsidian buying it instead? Yea thats definently going to happen.

Not Obsidian particularly. There's a long chain of events that could lead to Fallout gaining elements that it deserves. Although, it's obvious that Bethesda will win this, since they are legally right in this situation. Interplay is just trying to survive instead of giving up like they should have a long time ago.

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[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

Animal-Mother

You left out the fact that Bethesda doens't know how to make RPGs with good elements; they've used a whole lot of the same techniques for their last few games, not changing much; and they can't write a story worth two cents.

How was it ruined. Seriously? Because it was different? lettuceman44

It is easy to say modders are better at making a game than the developers are when the modders have ALL OF THE HARD WORK done for them [...] gamer620

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]How was it ruined. Seriously? Because it was different? RyuRanVII

So play the old games and leave the newer games to their respected fans. For someone who has been playing games for two decades you'd think it would be easier to come to that conclusion.

How are your older games ruined because the newer games don't suit you? Your opinion is better then the fans of the newer games because you've been playing for two decades? You sound like an old ass geezer! "Back in my day blah blah blah......". Cry more. These bastardizations of generes still have a big fanbase despite your opinion. Move on. The developers have and they don't need you or care about your whining.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]I hope that Interplay fails. Let's not forget that they are the reason why Van Buren was canceled. They're the reason why there is no Black Isle anymore. If they retained the franchise once more, what would they be able to do with it? Nothing, unless they pick up Obsidian which is not likely happening. Let Beth keep it. At least they have the resources to do something with the franchise.12345678ew

Knowing them, they'd probably do that. They'll do anything to live another pointless, lonely day day.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. ReaperV7

Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. KHAndAnime

LOL, why? the last fallout game they made was absolutely wretched.

Or is this just another case of fallout fanboys selective memory?

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. ReaperV7

Like brotherhood of steel? thats what you consider a good fallout game eh? being the last fallout game before 3 and the only one developed by interplay, good ole selective memory strikes again.

why anyone wants that trash company back in charge is beyond me.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

LOL, why? the last fallout game they made was absolutely wretched.

Or is this just another case of fallout fanboys selective memory?

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Wicked. Hopefully Interplay wins this. warmaster670

Like brotherhood of steel? thats what you consider a good fallout game eh? being the last fallout game before 3 and the only one developed by interplay, good ole selective memory strikes again.

It's probably ignorance rather than selective memory... Anyone that wants Interplay in charge of Fallout does not know the state of interplay. Interplay destroyed fallout until they finally sold it, and disbanded Black Isle. Interplay just needs to go away, they will lose and eventually run out of money never to be heard from again, hopefully.

I like how people saying go interplay have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Interplay:

- They are in debt

- Destroyed Black Isle

- Destroyed Fallout

-Destroyed Themselves

-Never made Fallout

-Sat on the Fallout IP for years doing nothing

Bethesda:

-Bought the IP after Interplay put it up for sale

-Actually released a fallout game

-Has a mostly good track record

-Actually isn't in debt and releases games

-Gave Fallout New Vegas to Obsidian(Black Isle)

lettuceman44

I would love it if bethfatheadsa didn't have the fallout rights anymore. Go Interplay!

As much as I dislike Bethesda, they're the lesser of two evils here.

Interplay should have died years ago.

Yeah, lets give this newly rekindled franchise back over to the broke-ass drunks/crack addicts that drove it into the ground in the first place.

It's basically just a fancy legal way of saying NO U

Go Interplay! I still want a new version of this game:

Tauu