FF 13 will still be the highest selling Final Fantasy game... to date.

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#1 thattotally
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There's no denying that it's multiplatform status will shatter FF 7's previously held record of most copies sold. Since it's announcement at a certain E3 event this was the first thing that would come into anyone's head. This record will only increase as SE continue to dilute the series to other platforms, and hopefully include the PC, the Wii (its successor that is), and available Apple products so that they can gain even more profit for minimum effort while their teams do... whatever it is that they do.

And in light of recent events, most of the "flaws" are really a non issue since previous Final Fantasies didn't see the need to include alternate voice acting, for example. After all, just because a format is capable of something doesn't mean a company will utilize it. What possible benefit could Square Enix gain from it? Just look at the entirety of the ps3 really. Practicality is always the most important rule, and the ps3 doesn't follow it too well.

Also, believing that any company would achieve photo-realistic graphics at this point is unfair, not to mention extremely costly, to the developers. It doesn't matter if the game has slight jaggies or a less-than-perfect-look. SE have been doing something these past 4 years haven't they? They have been doing their very best to achieve a worthy product, and so what if they instigate tired old mechanics? Having the game seem "cut up" or what have you is perfectly reasonable. Rumors of them shortening the length of the game must certainly be taken out of context, or at least be not the way it may sound. Sure they were able to release back to back stellar games in the past, with FF 9 and 10 having only a year's difference.

But that doesn't mean the time they've spent now isn't proportionate to the quality of the game, which I'm sure will last gamers many many hours of enjoyment. Which is the whole point isn't it? At $60+, an 8 hour or so game isn't going to cut it if you plan on buying many of them. Unless you're 13 years old and enjoy goofing off online with just one single (and very old) game (case in point, my cousin) as you've bought an enhanced bluetooth device which alters the tone of your voice (and at 13 years old, this seems to never get old apparently. Or so I'm told)

At the end, you have to take a step back and tell yourself, "it's just a videogame". Getting riled up because SE have been total *****'s to the ps3 for this entire generation and complete hypocrites is not justifiable, as Square Enix wish to not fall victim to the recession's claws, and must stay on top lest they have hundreds of employees lose jobs and become unable to support their innocent families. Sure they haven't released any other rpg's for the ps3 this whole time, sure there was no reason to withhold Star Ocean 4 as more copies sold would surely boost SE's revenue. But they must have something to show for their lackluster contribution to this generation of gaming. And I'm sure FF 13 will prove that by taking the time to focus on one game, the pay-off will be worth it.

Who agrees? Am I missing anything else? I feel like I'm missing something important, but I just can't quite put my finger on it. Please feel free to add information I might have missed and would find beneficial.


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#2 mythrol
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FF7 was Multiplat.
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#3 Couth_
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Agreed. I have said this since the announcement of it being on 360. It will result in massive sales
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#4 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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It's Final Fantasy, that alone means it'll sell a ton.
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#5 CommanderDisco
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It's been hyped out the ass and will probably rival Modern Warfare 2 and GTAIV in overall sales - FFVII managed to break 10 million units on less hype than this game - but it will be a staggeringly mediocre RPG and I look forward to enjoying the buyer's remorse this forum sees.
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#6 PlatinumAngel03
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^mediocre RPG my ***. There wasnt any main title FF that was bad or mediocre. all were good and got great reviews and sales, some people like more of ones, other people like others, but ALL have their fans. so stop with the FF hate just cause its a sucessfull game and you think its cool to hate it.
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#7 FF6fan
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Well FFVII sold around 10 million copies(not including the PSN DLable version) so i really don't think it'll beat that. FFX and FFXII sold around 5-6 million. Unless FFXIII becomes another huge mainstream hit like FFVII was i don't think so. Also it would be kinda funny considering both main characters(Lightning and Cloud) are basically twins/clones design-wise.
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#8 Chutebox
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I doubt it.

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#9 double_heist
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I doubt it will sell as big as FFVII. It can probably reach FFX or FFVII (around 8m sales).

The thing is not everyone has this gen's console (PS3 and X360 compared to last gen and the previous gen) so there might be lesser sales... I'm guessing 6m.

Just like GTAIII compared to GTAIV. I believe GTA3 reached around 20m or 18m? Whereas GTA4 reached 12-11m.

The probable exception I know is MGS4 (it sold more than MGS3, MGS3 was around 3m, MGS4 was 4m)

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^mediocre RPG my ***. There wasnt any main title FF that was bad or mediocre. all were good and got great reviews and sales, some people like more of ones, other people like others, but ALL have their fans. so stop with the FF hate just cause its a sucessfull game and you think its cool to hate it.PlatinumAngel03
A game with a battle system that is VATS minus all tactical elements is going to be poor. Bethesda knew that VATS couldn't stand up on its own; Square-Enix, in their desperation to please fans of an increasingly niche genre, have decided that it must, even once they strip out the only bits that made it interesting. It's going to be a bad game. And it's going to tell a bad story, because Sakaguchi and Matsuno are gone. The reviews will all be bought so that it sounds good, and maybe a few people will convince themselves it is. But it's going to be bad.
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#11 PlatinumAngel03
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[QUOTE="PlatinumAngel03"]^mediocre RPG my ***. There wasnt any main title FF that was bad or mediocre. all were good and got great reviews and sales, some people like more of ones, other people like others, but ALL have their fans. so stop with the FF hate just cause its a sucessfull game and you think its cool to hate it.CommanderDisco
A game with a battle system that is VATS minus all tactical elements is going to be poor. Bethesda knew that VATS couldn't stand up on its own; Square-Enix, in their desperation to please fans of an increasingly niche genre, have decided that it must, even once they strip out the only bits that made it interesting. It's going to be a bad game. And it's going to tell a bad story, because Sakaguchi and Matsuno are gone. The reviews will all be bought so that it sounds good, and maybe a few people will convince themselves it is. But it's going to be bad.

do you actually believe any of the crap that comes out of your mouth? what fallout 3 VATS has anything to do with FF13? did you saw FF13 battle system? its just like an older FF battle battle system but by the looks of it with more action and more fast paced and 10x better. and besides we dont even played the game yet so how can you say its going to be poor? and a bad story cause sakaguchi and matsuno are gone? the FF best FF that got FF to be famous were 6+ and thats when some of the people that are working on 13 got in. sakaguchi wasnt on FF10 and the story was prob the best of the series.
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FFXIII's battle system involves selecting actions from a finite set of options up to a possible maximum, where the player may decide not to use all their possible actions to conserve some for later. Those actions are played out in the order selected, use canned animations and may have limited interactions with one another. This is VATS without the ability to aim for specific body parts causing unique effects. I don't see what's hard about this, but I guess if you were in the habit of blindly defending Final Fantasy, you might miss it.
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FF7 was Multiplat.mythrol
yet no one seem to care about the fact that you right
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#14 Swift_Boss_A
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I doubt it.

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Couldn't agree more. No doubt the game will be a HUGE seller but I don't think it has a chance to be the highest selling FF, latest yeah but not the highest.

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The multiplat status of this game isn't unique. Also the combined install base of the 2 machines is still far less than the install base of the PS1 and PS2 when their last FF title shipped (IX and XII), so I don't see the point.

If XIII approaches VII's success, it will be because it's a fantastic game, so I hope you're right. But if you were assuming that it would sell fantastic simply because of the larger install base by being on 2 machines, no. Other titles have had a larger install base and didn't come close.

And ALL of the "Proper" FF games get this kind of hype anymore. Rampant internet hype, fansites galore, midnight launches with people in cosplay... nothing new there.

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FF7 was Multiplat.mythrol

Not on consoles and the PC version didn't come out till like 2 years after.

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[QUOTE="PlatinumAngel03"]^mediocre RPG my ***. There wasnt any main title FF that was bad or mediocre. all were good and got great reviews and sales, some people like more of ones, other people like others, but ALL have their fans. so stop with the FF hate just cause its a sucessfull game and you think its cool to hate it.CommanderDisco
A game with a battle system that is VATS minus all tactical elements is going to be poor. Bethesda knew that VATS couldn't stand up on its own; Square-Enix, in their desperation to please fans of an increasingly niche genre, have decided that it must, even once they strip out the only bits that made it interesting. It's going to be a bad game. And it's going to tell a bad story, because Sakaguchi and Matsuno are gone. The reviews will all be bought so that it sounds good, and maybe a few people will convince themselves it is. But it's going to be bad.

The Final Fantasies with the better stories were all under Kitase. Matsuno was only really involved in XII, which was left incomplete and as a result terrible. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible for a game to have a good story without Sakaguchi or Matsuno. Many games have.

Square has to worry about RPGs becoming a niche genre? Are you serious, lol? RPGs are still big in Japan.

A VATS system isn't going to ruin XIII and that's not all that there is to the game. The entire XIII battle system is a considerable step forward and it's a shame that you can't see that.

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FFXIII's battle system involves selecting actions from a finite set of options up to a possible maximum, where the player may decide not to use all their possible actions to conserve some for later. Those actions are played out in the order selected, use canned animations and may have limited interactions with one another. This is VATS without the ability to aim for specific body parts causing unique effects. I don't see what's hard about this, but I guess if you were in the habit of blindly defending Final Fantasy, you might miss it.CommanderDisco

I'm not entirely sure what's bad about this either. It sounds great. Conservation has always beeen apart of Final Fantasy games, they're just streamlining things and isolating conservation to individual battles in order to make individual fights more challenging. In other words, before they held back becuase you had to fight monster after monster after monster and individual fights could only be so difficult before being too much of a strain on player resources.

If you think XIII will be "bad" or "mediocre" just because it isn't perfect, then I don't know what to tell you. Compare this game to titles like Tales of Vesperia or Star Ocean 4 and then say it's "bad" or "mediocre."

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It absolutely is capable of doing it. It's on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 and it will sell a lot. I definitely think it can sell in the region of 10 million units, but beat Halo 3's day-one and week-one record, it will not.
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[QUOTE="mythrol"]FF7 was Multiplat.hakanakumono

Not on consoles and the PC version didn't come out till like 2 years after.

actually it came out a year later.
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I think this is a given. The fun question to be asking ourselves is which console will it be selling better on.
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"]FF7 was Multiplat.WilliamRLBaker

Not on consoles and the PC version didn't come out till like 2 years after.

actually it came out a year later.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it came out in 1999 2000 because right after IX was released I went to go buy VII and they had brand new copies recently stocked on an entire shelf.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Not on consoles and the PC version didn't come out till like 2 years after.

hakanakumono

actually it came out a year later.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it came out in 1999 2000 because right after IX was released I went to go buy VII and they had brand new copies recently stocked on an entire shelf.

nah it first came onto the scnee june of 1998.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Not on consoles and the PC version didn't come out till like 2 years after.

hakanakumono

actually it came out a year later.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it came out in 1999 2000 because right after IX was released I went to go buy VII and they had brand new copies recently stocked on an entire shelf.

he's right. it came out in 1998.
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#25 ActicEdge
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10 million units? Naw, it will be big though.

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#26 -Oath
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The title includes the words "Final Fantasy" and the case will have the words "Square-Enix" on it.

Garanteed to sell like crack.

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First of all it might beat all sales of other ffs if its a really really good games that has ppl going crazy. Second gaming is growing Third its multi fourth its got alot of attention do to # 3 so my guess is that..................... it might
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[QUOTE="mythrol"]FF7 was Multiplat.da_illest101
yet no one seem to care about the fact that you right

It came out months later on a platform that JRPGs dont do well in.
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More than VII??? Doubt it... in fact, I'm pretty sure it won't.

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#30 Couth_
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FF7 was Multiplat.mythrol
You have two ways of looking at that: 1. The PC version was irrelevant and didn't sell well. It's obvious neither the PS3 or 360 version will be irrelevant, and they will both sell well. 2. It's the best selling FF game to date, and the fact it was multiplat helped it achieve that. Just like the fact that FFXIII is multi will help it achieve that.. Pick your poison
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[QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="mythrol"]FF7 was Multiplat.-Pred-Alien-
yet no one seem to care about the fact that you right

It came out months later on a platform that JRPGs dont do well in.

and? still doesn't change the fact it came out a short time later thus making it multiplat. it wasn't exclusive.
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#32 svetzenlether
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Meh, Final Fantasy on consoles has been dead to me since FFX. On the other hand, FF (III and IV) on the DS? Awesome.