FF13 should have OWNED all the graphics awards

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#1 IceBlazerX
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It's simply the graphics king on consoles.....there's nothing better than it with graphics, and the PC is varied due to the graphics card, montior, etc.

I can't believe other console games beat it like GRAND THEFT HORSE and God Of War 3 (which came close) but FF13 should have gotten it.

And this is about the sublime PS3 version, not the touched down 360 version although I'm sure that'll be better anyway.

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#2 jalexbrown
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Please, oh please tell me you're joking. Final Fantasy XIII was linear almost to the point of annoyance. It's not technically impressive to make great looking games when you control exactly what the player will see. This argument is akin to saying that pre-rendered backgrounds are a technical marvel just because they look pretty.
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The only nice thing about FFXIII was the CG cutscenes.

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#4 IceBlazerX
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Please, oh please tell me you're joking. Final Fantasy XIII was linear almost to the point of annoyance. It's not technically impressive to make great looking games when you control exactly what the player will see. This argument is akin to saying that pre-rendered backgrounds are a technical marvel just because they look pretty.jalexbrown
...and linearity has to with the graphics? Even the GS reviewer said that the it was EXTREMELY lovely and the camera showed you exactly what you needed to see and did it so frickin well.
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#5 93BlackHawk93
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It would never won artsy graphics.

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Please, oh please tell me you're joking. Final Fantasy XIII was linear almost to the point of annoyance. It's not technically impressive to make great looking games when you control exactly what the player will see. This argument is akin to saying that pre-rendered backgrounds are a technical marvel just because they look pretty.IceBlazerX
...and linearity has to with the graphics? Even the GS reviewer said that the it was EXTREMELY lovely and the camera showed you exactly what you needed to see and did it so frickin well.

But that's not a technical accomplishment; as I said, what you're saying is like saying that pre-rendered backgrounds from the original Playstation are still technically amazing.
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FFXIII had the most amazing character models that I have ever seen but the rest was pretty average. Specially when you get to Pulse all the environment are a bunch of low res textures put together, it looked pretty because of the bright colors but nothing impressive to be honest. Overall RDR and GOWIII looks thousand of times much better, specially RDR considering its scale.

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#9 GeneralShowzer
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While it's my pick for best console graphics, the technical award should have gone to Metro 2033 (PC) - which wasn't even nominated for reasons I've yet to understand.

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You have a mainstream website... And niche game... Not really hard to understand.
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#10 jalexbrown
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While it's my pick for best console graphics, the technical award should have gone to Metro 2033 (PC) - which wasn't even nominated for reasons I've yet to understand.

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Because it didn't even look as good as a game from 2007? :?
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#12 J_Swayze
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It's Grand Theft Cattle

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It's Grand Theft Cattle

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I hate it when people try to be cute and come up with creative titles to insult games; it's rarely humorous, and it's even more rarely creative.
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]You have a mainstream website... And niche game... Not really hard to understand.Slashkice

If you're implying every category consisted of mainstream titles, then go look at the nominees again. GS does cater to a certain demo, but it's not like they snub lower-profile titles entirely.

Because it didn't even look as good as a game from 2007? :?jalexbrown

Have you played it on the PC? Technically the game is impressive - I don't see how anyone could disagree. Overall visuals taking artstyle into account is subjective, sure.

They have some non mainstream nominees, sure. But mostly XBLA titles. PC is omitted , except SC II, which i mainstream.
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#15 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Have you played it on the PC? Technically the game is impressive - I don't see how anyone could disagree. Overall visuals taking artstyle into account is subjective, sure.

(I think you posted this; I couldn't tell the way it was formatted. :P) I can disagree that it's technically impressive; hell, I'm even impressed with Crysis anymore, because...well, it's three years old. I just don't see any vast improvement in three years, and that's going to hurt the technical impression it leaves on people.
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[QUOTE="J_Swayze"]

It's Grand Theft Cattle

jalexbrown

I hate it when people try to be cute and come up with creative titles to insult games; it's rarely humorous, and it's even more rarely creative.

Woah there partner. Red Dead is by far the best R* game I ever played. Heck I just finished clocking in 2 hours in Free Roam

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#17 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="J_Swayze"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="J_Swayze"]

It's Grand Theft Cattle

I hate it when people try to be cute and come up with creative titles to insult games; it's rarely humorous, and it's even more rarely creative.

Woah there partner. Red Dead is by far the best R* game I ever played. Heck I just finished clocking in 2 hours in Free Roam

Either way, I still hate this whole Grand Theft Horse (Cattle)/Gaylo/whatever else that people do.
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#18 SaltyMeatballs
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GOW3 and RDR are more impressive.
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#19 jalexbrown
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GOW3 and RDR are more impressive.SaltyMeatballs
Probably about time to change your sig since it's all but definite that Mass Effect 2 won't get Game of the Year. :P
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]GOW3 and RDR are more impressive.jalexbrown
Probably about time to change your sig since it's all but definite that Mass Effect 2 won't get Game of the Year. :P

I'm lazy... and angry!!
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]GOW3 and RDR are more impressive.SaltyMeatballs
Probably about time to change your sig since it's all but definite that Mass Effect 2 won't get Game of the Year. :P

I'm lazy... and angry!!

I was going to say it could still get reader's choice, but it looks like even that might be an uphill battle.
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#24 jalexbrown
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Ah, figured you were thinking of Crysis - which like you said is three years old. This is the 2010 awards. Metro 2033 (or would have, rather) competed against other 2010 titles, not Crysis.

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But the point is that, in terms of improvements, it wasn't the biggest. God of War 3 was a bigger improvement in regards to PS3 graphics than Metro 2033 was in regards to PC graphics.
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#25 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Probably about time to change your sig since it's all but definite that Mass Effect 2 won't get Game of the Year. :Pspookykid143

I'm lazy... and angry!!

You were deluded if you thought it would win GOTY.

I don't think many people expected Red Dead Redemption to get as many awards as it has gotten. To be honest I think the whole thing would have been more entertaining had it not been so one-sided, but it is what it is.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]But the point is that, in terms of improvements, it wasn't the biggest. God of War 3 was a bigger improvement in regards to PS3 graphics than Metro 2033 was in regards to PC graphics.Slashkice

Except the Wii and PSP kinda break that argument or else they should have gotten a nominee or two up there, compared to previous titles released on the systems.

It appears to me that Ghosts of Sparta was a nominee, but it missed the editor's choice nominees. Still, they did acknowledge it as a reader's choice nominee, so it's there.
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#28 shutdown_202
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I actually agree.

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agree 100% hard though :S

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#30 jalexbrown
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agree 100% hard though :S

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#32 steve8198
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FF13>gt5>forsa3>metro2033.

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]It appears to me that Ghosts of Sparta was a nominee, but it missed the editor's choice nominees. Still, they did acknowledge it as a reader's choice nominee, so it's there.Slashkice

Exactly, it missed the editor's choice nominees despite making a greater leap in technical advancement compared to other games which did make it. And the Wii is just MIA.

While we're on the subject of Reader's Choice nominees though, I should point out an expansion for Arma 2 got a nod. I'm sure it received some visual boost, but it is an expansion so I'm guessing it wasn't a great leap for PC gaming and therefore shouldn't have gotten any kind of attention, right?

I've not played or seen anyone play Arma 2, but I suppose it could have been more of a leap than Metro 2033 and thus edged it out of the nominees. Besides, you can't say that it missing the editor's choice nominees but making the reader's choice nominees isn't fair or disproves my point, because all of those nominees were still chosen by Gamespot as some of the best. They chose what they thought to be ten games that pushed the envelope, then they narrowed that list down to the five that they thought pushed the envelope furtherst, and those became the editor's choice nominees. If the whole award was strictly about polygon count or AA or any of that, no PSP game would even be considered for a second.
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#34 jalexbrown
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gt5>forsa3.

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Oh boy...did we really have to go there again?
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I've not played or seen anyone play Arma 2, but I suppose it could have been more of a leap than Metro 2033 and thus edged it out of the nominees. Besides, you can't say that it missing the editor's choice nominees but making the reader's choice nominees isn't fair or disproves my point, because all of those nominees were still chosen by Gamespot as some of the best. They chose what they thought to be ten games that pushed the envelope, then they narrowed that list down to the five that they thought pushed the envelope furtherst, and those became the editor's choice nominees. If the whole award was strictly about polygon count or AA or any of that, no PSP game would even be considered for a second.Slashkice

And if technical advancement respective to the system were a major driving force behind the selection for the award, nominees from the weaker platforms would not be such rarities. What I'm pointing out is inconsistency in their selection.

It seems logical to me that if they're weaker systems, they're going to hit their peak sooner and will thus cease to push the bar very much.
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#37 deactivated-5b4ca38d5fcb0
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FF13 didn't look as good as it's cg. "Obviously".

I think most people was waiting for the game to actually be fun, instead they got emo cutscenes for 16 hours and the game ended.

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#38 steve8198
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[QUOTE="steve8198"]

gt5>forsa3.

jalexbrown

Oh boy...did we really have to go there again?

Oh dear did i do that :P

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#39 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Robbazking"]

FF13 didn't look as good as it's cg. "Obviously".

I think most people was waiting for the game to actually be fun, instead they got emo cutscenes for 16 hours and the game ended.

This sounds like the kind of thing that would come from someone that didn't play the game.
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#41 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]It seems logical to me that if they're weaker systems, they're going to hit their peak sooner and will thus cease to push the bar very much.Slashkice

A statement which can easily be applied to the PS3/360. And of course the PC, with really no ceiling to hit, can go further and further with greater leaps and therefore should sweep these awards by this logic.

The problem is...while my statement is pretty much proving true (weaker systems aren't progressing as much due to their hitting a peak), you're statement isn't at all proving true. I'm not denying that PC games could be progressing at a far better rate than any other piece of hardware - but the truth is that PC games aren't progressing as quickly right now. That's basically undeniable.
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#42 FGMPR
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As much as I hated FF XIII, I won't deny that it was a stunning game. However, it didn't come close to Metro 2033 on PC.

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As much as I hated FF XIII, I won't deny that it was a stunning game. However, it didn't come close to Metro 2033 on PC.

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Why is everybody clinging to this game just because it didn't get nominated? Seriously...you've spent the last three years telling us how Crysis owns everything we have but suddenly won't admit when it owns one of your own games.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]The problem is...while my statement is pretty much proving true (weaker systems aren't progressing as much due to their hitting a peak), you're statement isn't at all proving true. I'm not denying that PC games could be progressing at a far better rate than any other piece of hardware - but the truth is that PC games aren't progressing as quickly right now. That's basically undeniable.Slashkice

Yet the console nominees...Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Lost Planet 2, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Mass Effect 2, and Final Fantasy XIII...are not a significant improvement over Uncharted 2, if at all. It's inconsistent.

As for the weaker platforms, some of the best looking titles on a system have always come out near the end of its lifetime. The Wii, PSP, and DS are no different.

I've honestly spent too long (over six hours now, it seems) arguing this topic with countless people. At the end of the day, the way I see it, it's a non-issue. It's just an award on a gaming site, and as far as anyone is SW is concerned, all it's going to do is level up your internet c**k. If it was up to me, I'd give it to you at this point just because it's really not worth this much of a fuss.
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#46 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="FGMPR"]

As much as I hated FF XIII, I won't deny that it was a stunning game. However, it didn't come close to Metro 2033 on PC.

jalexbrown

Why is everybody clinging to this game just because it didn't get nominated? Seriously...you've spent the last three years telling us how Crysis owns everything we have but suddenly won't admit when it owns one of your own games.

Why do I think that Metro 2033 was the best looking game this year? Because I've played it and I have eyes. I'm not going to change my mind to please the likes of you.

Besides, I haven't been on this forum three months, never mind three years, and have always said Metro was a better looking game than crysis, so please, do me a favour and piss off.

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[QUOTE="FGMPR"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="FGMPR"]

As much as I hated FF XIII, I won't deny that it was a stunning game. However, it didn't come close to Metro 2033 on PC.

Why is everybody clinging to this game just because it didn't get nominated? Seriously...you've spent the last three years telling us how Crysis owns everything we have but suddenly won't admit when it owns one of your own games.

Why do I think that Metro 2033 was the best looking game this year? Because I've played it and I have eyes. I'm not going to change my mind to please the likes of you.

Besides, I haven't been on this forum three months, never mind three years, and have always said Metro was a better looking game than crysis, so please, do me a favour and piss off.

T'is better to piss off than to piss on.
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#48 FGMPR
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[QUOTE="FGMPR"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Why is everybody clinging to this game just because it didn't get nominated? Seriously...you've spent the last three years telling us how Crysis owns everything we have but suddenly won't admit when it owns one of your own games.jalexbrown

Why do I think that Metro 2033 was the best looking game this year? Because I've played it and I have eyes. I'm not going to change my mind to please the likes of you.

Besides, I haven't been on this forum three months, never mind three years, and have always said Metro was a better looking game than crysis, so please, do me a favour and piss off.

T'is better to piss off than to piss on.

I don't know what that means, but it doesn't sound good.
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Its definitively not the best looking game this year. Neither is GoW3 but that's GS pick.
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#50 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="FGMPR"]

Why do I think that Metro 2033 was the best looking game this year? Because I've played it and I have eyes. I'm not going to change my mind to please the likes of you.

Besides, I haven't been on this forum three months, never mind three years, and have always said Metro was a better looking game than crysis, so please, do me a favour and piss off.

FGMPR

T'is better to piss off than to piss on.

I don't know what that means, but it doesn't sound good.

Oh yeah, and by the way...I didn't mean you-you when I said "you" in my post; I was referring to the consensus of the majority of PC gamers. Sorry 'bout that little mix-up.