Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?tmntPunchout
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
Pretty much what I was going to say.
Square does what they think will make them the most money, they are a business after all. FFXIII going multiplat is an easy way to increase sales, so it went multiplat.
Probably, The last thing the Ps3 needed was more bad press. Losing FFXIII means letting the media devour the Ps3 alive until less and less people feel attracted to something that is attacked and labeled as a failure constantly
Cows always brought up FF13 if lemmings talked about Xbox360 being king of RPG's. Cows always brought up FF13 being a system seller and how it would be the game to bury the Xbox360.
Now that FF13 has been announced for Xbox360 Cows are pretending like it's not big news and that somehow this news is so trivial that Sony has still had the superior E3 over Microsoft. It's funny really.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?tmntPunchout
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
I strongly think that the only reason its still on the PS3 is because production started on that console and it would cost more to scrap it an move to 360, instead a port will be easier and more cost effecient.
IF SE knew the PS3 wouldnt have a large enough install base by this time, i think they wouldve just made it for 360 to begin with.
Edit: Im still going to buy this game regardless of which console its on, I just would feel weird playing a FF on a 360 though.
Probably, The last thing the Ps3 needed was more bad press. Losing FFXIII means letting the media devour the Ps3 alive until less and less people feel attracted to something that is attacked and labeled as a failure constantlyAgentA-Mi6
I can't say that I've ever seen the PS3 labeled as a failure...
I would agree that it is attacked constantly, but that hasn't stopped sales from increasing. And I suspect this trend will continue long after the shock of losing FFXIII as an exclusive has worn off.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
IF SE knew the PS3 wouldnt have a large enough install base by this time, i think they wouldve just made it for 360 to begin with.
That sounds pretty ridiculous.
Square wants to make money. Profit from 360 + PS3 game sales > Profit from 360 game sales.
While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.
As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make. They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...
AmyMizuno
You're from japan Right? You always post cool Info
While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.
As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make. They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...
AmyMizuno
I highly doubt they don t want PS3's sold, also i believe sony is already making a profit on the PS3's now(primarily the 40GB). The reason Sony is able to drive costs down for their hardware is because sony in general is a hardware manufacturing company, they have alot of factories they own that could probably produce PS3 parts as opposed to micro which is more of a software company and needs to outsource to different companies to make its hardware.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
I strongly think that the only reason its still on the PS3 is because production started on that console and it would cost more to scrap it an move to 360, instead a port will be easier and more cost effecient.
IF SE knew the PS3 wouldnt have a large enough install base by this time, i think they wouldve just made it for 360 to begin with.
Edit: Im still going to buy this game regardless of which console its on, I just would feel weird playing a FF on a 360 though.
I was thinking that making a game multiplat means a larger audience has a chance to purchase the game. Also, FF will probably sell huge at Japan, which is primarily PS3 dominated when compared to the 360. That's probably a better reason than yours.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?tmntPunchout
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
no becuase of the huge disparity on console sales are really spread out. in japan it's all PS3(excluding wii casue square won't make it on wii) and in america it' 360(even though PS3 is now selling on par with 360) that's why in japan FF13 is only on PS3 in north america it'll be on both. however i still predict more overall sales even in america cause FF is always synanomous with playstation
While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.
As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make. They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...
AmyMizuno
It's not about the nickles and dimes off of one games' sales. It's about getting the xbox360 open to a larger target audience so that they can take in money on a bigger scale.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?LibertySaint
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
tie
I give PS3 the slight edge until FF13vs is announced multiplat.
no becuase of the huge disparity on console sales are really spread out. in japan it's all PS3(excluding wii casue square won't make it on wii) and in america it' 360(even though PS3 is now selling on par with 360) that's why in japan FF13 is only on PS3 in north america it'll be on both. however i still predict more overall sales even in america cause FF is always synanomous with playstationRagashahs
Gee thats the same thing cows said about DMC4 and GTA4.....when will you cows learn :P
It's not about what platform the game was on previously. It's about which platform has the most customers available to purchase said game.
Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
Even though I enjoyed Final Fantasy X a lot, FFXII was pretty bland for me. I honestly don't think rpg's in general are as important here in the states as much as they are in Japan. Personally I don't see the point in buying a game that takes 100+ hours to complete. So, I dunno, I'm sure FFXIII might have sold some consoles for the PS3 if it were exclusive but I almost want to say that MGS4 is much more important due to the type of games Americans like.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
Gamerman12362
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the potential amount of people online.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
X_CAPCOM_X
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the amount of people online.
Thats a longshot dont you think? IF i recall GTA4 managed to sell well on the PS3
[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]no becuase of the huge disparity on console sales are really spread out. in japan it's all PS3(excluding wii casue square won't make it on wii) and in america it' 360(even though PS3 is now selling on par with 360) that's why in japan FF13 is only on PS3 in north america it'll be on both. however i still predict more overall sales even in america cause FF is always synanomous with playstationPalax
Gee thats the same thing cows said about DMC4 and GTA4.....when will you cows learn :P
It's not about what platform the game was on previously. It's about which platform has the most customers available to purchase said game.
Think.
This game is PS3 exclusive in Japan. FFXII sold 2 million in one week there. I don't think it will sell equally worldwide.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
X_CAPCOM_X
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the potential amount of people online.
Do you mean Sony fanboys or PS3 owners. I'm a PS3 owner and that doesn't sound bad at all.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
X_CAPCOM_X
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the potential amount of people online. Not necessarily. There are more Wii owners than there are 360 owners and yet the 360 still sells more games.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
HULKMANIA_001
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the amount of people online.
Thats a longshot dont you think? IF i recall GTA4 managed to sell well on the PS3
It did sell well, but that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the decrease in potential sold units. Less people will purchase PS3's for this game.
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
tmntPunchout
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the potential amount of people online.
Do you mean Sony fanboys or PS3 owners. I'm a PS3 owner and that doesn't sound bad at all.
PS3 owners. Sony will have less $$$, and less games will be developed (that could've been developed).
In the end, it's only good for the 360. Not bad for Ps3 owners.
It's a bigger blow to the pc and wii if anything.
gamefreakomega
It's bad for PS3 owners. Because this game will be available for the 360 in North America (where the PS3 is not doing it's best), the PS3 will not sell as many units as it could have. This decrease in potential userbase decreases game sales, which obviously decreases development and the amount of money Sony has to work with for the PS3. This also decreases the potential amount of people online. Not necessarily. There are more Wii owners than there are 360 owners and yet the 360 still sells more games.
That's a whole different variable. That's the attatch rate. Assuming the attatch rate remains constant for the PS3 and the 360, my initial statement remains correct.
[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]no becuase of the huge disparity on console sales are really spread out. in japan it's all PS3(excluding wii casue square won't make it on wii) and in america it' 360(even though PS3 is now selling on par with 360) that's why in japan FF13 is only on PS3 in north america it'll be on both. however i still predict more overall sales EVEN IN AMERICA cause FF is always synanomous with playstationX_CAPCOM_X
Gee thats the same thing cows said about DMC4 and GTA4.....when will you cows learn :P
It's not about what platform the game was on previously. It's about which platform has the most customers available to purchase said game.
Think.
This game is PS3 exclusive in Japan. FFXII sold 2 million in one week there. I don't think it will sell equally worldwide.
Either way More sales on Final Fantasy series can only be good for Sony being the major home for the title and having a large share in SE more sales = more profit for them.
Wether Final Fantasy will continue this trend with multiplatforming is to be seen giving Xbox users a taste of the series and then snatching it away could set up some user conversion as well. I would not put it past SE and Sony to pull something sly like this. unlikley but you never know.
Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner.HULKMANIA_001
I disagree. From a business standpoint, it made sense for Square to support Sony because of the discs. Now it's not that discs held more data, though that certainly had a benefit, but rather that discs cost so much less than carts. Cheaper media meant lower overhead, and that allowed for greater net profits.
[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]no becuase of the huge disparity on console sales are really spread out. in japan it's all PS3(excluding wii casue square won't make it on wii) and in america it' 360(even though PS3 is now selling on par with 360) that's why in japan FF13 is only on PS3 in north america it'll be on both. however i still predict more overall sales EVEN IN AMERICA cause FF is always synanomous with playstationPalax
Gee thats the same thing cows said about DMC4 and GTA4.....when will you cows learn :P
It's not about what platform the game was on previously. It's about which platform has the most customers available to purchase said game.
Think.
This game is PS3 exclusive in Japan. FFXII sold 2 million in one week there. I don't think it will sell equally worldwide.
Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner.HULKMANIA_001
This was a whole different situation. They were originally making the game for the N64, but during development, they ran into many problems. One being, that the cartridge did not have enough memory capacity. They ran out of money to work with, and they were on the verge of bankruptcy. This is when Sony offered them some support. Sony helped Squaresoft market and develop FFVII.
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]But this is the first time a FF is a multiplat. There can't be 2 winners, unless both the ps3 and 360 sell exactly the same amountgmastersexay
Uhm..no. FFVII, FFVIII and FFXI were all released on mulitiple platforms.
While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.
As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make.They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...
AmyMizuno
Then why the hell would they even bother making PS3's to begin with?
The game being on 360 doesn't help Sony. It hurts them. Sony has lost exclusiveness over their two biggest guns in Japan. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy XII.
360 is already getting JRPG support if FFXIII sells well on the 360 even if it isn't it will get more JRPGS.
Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
You're completely wrong. It's not "going over" to the 360. It's on the 360. The thing is, unlike with FF in the PS1 era, FF striaght-up LEFT Nintendo high and dry. PS3 STILL gets FFXIII. And the place where it always sells the most, aka Japan, it's a PS3 Exclusive. So no, a multiplat game isn't gonig to decide the winner.
If anything this decreases the chances of the PS3 winning this generation. if you think about it, if MS didn't aquire GTAIV then it would still be PS3 exclusive. Therefore PS3 would have 2 AAAA's and X360 would have none. If FF13 receives AAAA IMO that's just another lost AAAA exclusive for PS3.
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]But this is the first time a FF is a multiplat. There can't be 2 winners, unless both the ps3 and 360 sell exactly the same amountNuclearFreedom
Uhm..no. FFVII, FFVIII and FFXI were all released on mulitiple platforms.
well he probably meant multiconsole
XI was ported to the Xbox 360. Also, most of the earlier Final Fantasies were ported to the Playstation.
[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]Before I start off this is not a flamebait or anything just my opinion mixed with observations I've made over countless generations.
FFXIII going multiplat to 360 is a BIG BLOW to the PS3, I think PS3 owners arent understanding this, from past generations Square has always put its FF games on the console they thenk will win and cash in the most money. Square used to stick to Nintendo who was the winning format for the NES/SNES era and then FFVII went over to the PS1(the new kid) instead of sticking with N64 even though teh PS1 had a slow start, Square knew it was a winner. It then put its games on PS2, another winner. And now its going over to 360....
Discuss?HULKMANIA_001
It's on both consoles, so I don't get how FF13 is deciding the winner.
I strongly think that the only reason its still on the PS3 is because production started on that console and it would cost more to scrap it an move to 360, instead a port will be easier and more cost effecient.
IF SE knew the PS3 wouldnt have a large enough install base by this time, i think they wouldve just made it for 360 to begin with.
Edit: Im still going to buy this game regardless of which console its on, I just would feel weird playing a FF on a 360 though.
If that's the only reason, then why is vs13 STILL PS3 exclusive?
While it is a big blow to the PS3, I don't think it's a big blow to Sony. Sony owns 22% of Square Enix, so when Final Fantasy XIII sells on the 360 for 60 dollars, the game vendor gets 10 dollars. Microsoft then takes their 10% royalty on 360 games... 5 dollars. 45 Dollars remain, and Sony gets 22% of that, giving them around 10 dollars. It's funny when you think about it, that a 360 game selling will help Sony.
As a primary shareholder of Square-Enix, Sony is involved in the decision making process. They probably own more stock in the company than does the President and CEO of Square-Enix, Yoichi Wada. My only guess is that Sony doesn't want the PS3 to sell yet because of how expensive it is to make. They lose money on every PS3 sold. It's crazy, but Sony will actually be better off if they don't sell PS3's...
AmyMizuno
Very interesting.
Nah It won't decide the console war. Its gonna be out exclusively on PS3 in Japan about a 6 months or more before it gets to PS3 anywhere else and then X360. Thats alot of PS3 sales in Japan.
Nah It won't decide the console war. Its gonna be out exclusively on PS3 in Japan about a 6 months or more before it gets to PS3 anywhere else and then X360. Thats alot of PS3 sales in Japan.
J-Allard360
You make it sound like the PS3 has retarded amounts of units sold in Japan..
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