FFXIII gets such a bad rep from Japanese fans.

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

I guess the Japanese users feel something went wrong in development for FFXIII...It's as if the buyers of the game feel as if SE didn't concentrate 100% of their manpower on creating and making FFXIII the best game it could possibly be.

I can only speculate, but perhaps those disappointed users feel SE was distracted? Square Enix does have limited resources. I don't know.

It's like they feel that FFXIII isn't like the other Final Fantasy's for some reason.

I myself don't know yet.

I guess we will never know why they feel so let down by the latest Final Fantasy. It did sell really, really well though in just one day, just in Japan alone.

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

garland51

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

This has got me worried, I thought the Japanese public was raving about the game.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

texasgoldrush

I'd rather we find out for ourselves, potential for spoilers.

They should have never diverted resources to a 360 port. It put the whole game in doubt. Before I get called a 360 hater (okay, I am) the game may have been better off if it was just a 360 exclusive from the beginning instead. Now, no one is going to look at the finished prouct on its own merits. FFXIII might be the best jrpg ever made, but no one is going to judge it on its own merits now.

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

texasgoldrush

I know that this review has turned out to be "The most helpful critical review."

FFXIII might be the best jrpg ever made, but no one is going to judge it on its own merits now.

Shewgenja

I'm going to judge it on its merits especially since it's been proven how the game was developed with PS3 exclusivity in mind (no sacrifices) and the console that got the short end of the stick is the 360 (ported from the PS3).

It's like Silent Hill:SM for the Wii, they developed the game to take full advantage of the Wii and ported the finished game to the PS2 and PSP from there.

Now that I think about it, it may very well be an issue of 360 trolls spamming the rating system, maybe even non-Japanese.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

I know that this review has turned out to be "The most helpful critical review."

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

I know that this review has turned out to be "The most helpful critical review."

In case you hadn't noticed, the majority of the reviews are 4s and 5s. In fact, out of all of the possible scores, More reviewers gave it a perfect score than any other single score.

Sounds pretty positive to me.

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

garland51

MANY did this previously on AAA games... Like GTA4 - MGS4 etc etc...

Well dont @#$$ @ @$@$ about it. Will be a blast whatever some people might say.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

MANY did this previously on AAA games... Like GTA4 - MGS4 etc etc...

Well dont @#$$ @ @$@$ about it. Will be a blast whatever some people might say.

So what if they were divisive? Who cares? The only thing that matters in judging games, is the game. That's it. That's all there is to a game. Itself.

Well even Dragon Quest IX got such a bad rep its normal everything bought by many people will get more complains.

66% percent of the reviews are positive. 33% gave it a perfect score.

1/3 of the reviewers gave it a perfect score.

Well even Dragon Quest IX got such a bad rep its normal everything bought by many people will get more complains.

Kashiwaba

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="garland51"]

I know that this review has turned out to be "The most helpful critical review."

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Articuno76"] He consistently says good things about the story but at the same time argues that if people only wanted a story they have other options (movies). His complaints are about linearity both in progression through the game and in progression through the skills progression (learn set moves in a set order). He also complains about the most common thing I am seeing being complained about; linearity as well as complaints that the "game" side of it game feels somewhat underdeveloped. Complaints about character, story and presentation though are near non-existent. Not just in this review but in a majority of the reviews I've seen so far.Articuno76

Now what are the common praise?texasgoldrush

This here. It's "The most helpful favorable review."

Meanwhile, there's another Japanese site that actually has more positives than negatives about this game.

*Again, you need an English Translator.*

Rakuten.

5 Stars = 590.

4 Stars = 171.

3 Stars = 67.

2 Stars = 8.

1 Star = 21.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Well even Dragon Quest IX got such a bad rep its normal everything bought by many people will get more complains.

raskullibur

You know one of the comments is why the game isn't on Wii xD and he gave it 1/5 LOL.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

66% percent of the reviews are positive. 33% gave it a perfect score.

1/3 of the reviewers gave it a perfect score.

texasgoldrush

3 stars out of 5 is not negative. Besides, this is BS because Amazon reviewers don't have to play the game and a lot of them are likely haters. See the rakuten scores; they're more reliable.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

66% percent of the reviews are positive. 33% gave it a perfect score.

1/3 of the reviewers gave it a perfect score.

3 stars out of 5 is not negative. Besides, this is BS because Amazon reviewers don't have to play the game and a lot of them are likely haters. See the rakuten scores; they're more reliable.

[QUOTE="raskullibur"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Well even Dragon Quest IX got such a bad rep its normal everything bought by many people will get more complains.

Kashiwaba

You know one of the comments is why the game isn't on Wii xD and he gave it 1/5 LOL.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

66% percent of the reviews are positive. 33% gave it a perfect score.

1/3 of the reviewers gave it a perfect score.

hakanakumono

3 stars out of 5 is not negative. Besides, this is BS because Amazon reviewers don't have to play the game and a lot of them are likely haters. See the rakuten scores; they're more reliable.

TVTropes under "Love it Or Hate it"

Final Fantasy, in its entirety. There are currently thirteen games in the main franchise that all have a completely different cast, tone, world, and even completely different game mechanics. That isn't even counting the multiple spin-off franchises and direct sequels. It's very rare to find someone who likes all twelve, let alone everything with the name Final Fantasy on the box. And it's a given that the truly diehard fans of a particular entry are the most adamant that everything since then has sucked and the franchise is dead.

◦Final Fantasy VIII seems especially prone to this; as the follow-up to one of the most phenomenally successful and popular games ever and containing many storyline and gameplay elements that are controversial in their own right, it's pretty much inevitable.

◦Final Fantasy VII is arguably even more of a case of this than Final Fantasy VIII. The user reviews on Game FA Qs can be mostly summed up as either, "This game is awesome, Jesus H. Christ!" or "This game is overrated trash." In fact, message board threads about Final Fantasy VII have a tendency to draw out the die-hards that swear it is the greatest game ever made and the haters that would rather eat shards of glass than play it.

◦It seems that all Final Fantasy games split the audience in some ways, with the exception of Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI, which are more unanimously praised, and Final Fantasy II, which is pretty much universally regarded as the worst in the series. For Final Fantasy V, you either love the job system and Gilgamesh, or dislike the characters and its generic villain. For Final Fantasy IX you either love the return to the classic themes or you feel it is too childish (it is the PS FF that sold the least). You either like Final Fantasy X for its love story between Yuna and Tidus and its beautiful environment and soundtrack or you hate it for its confusing story, annoying characters, and poor voice acting. You either like Final Fantasy XII and its ensemble cast and mature themes on war and cooperation or you hate its story and new gameplay system. Even upcoming Final Fantasy XIII seems to split the fanbase.

This really is the truth

The average score of people confirmed to play FFXIII is 4.5. That's not "splitting anything" that's overwhelmingly positive.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] The negative ratings are signaficant and I think a game of this hype, 3 stars are negative as well. A game does not have to be 50-50 to be divisive.texasgoldrush

3 stars out of 5 is not negative. Besides, this is BS because Amazon reviewers don't have to play the game and a lot of them are likely haters. See the rakuten scores; they're more reliable.

No, it just means it didn't live up to hype. The thing is, most of the review scores were above 3. But that doesn't matter because the review scores in question are not reliable.

The average score of people confirmed to play FFXIII is 4.5. That's not "splitting anything" that's overwhelmingly positive.

hakanakumono

Be aware that reviews and reception will probably be somewhat lower and more harsh over here than over there.

March 2010 will be another jusgement point.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The average score of people confirmed to play FFXIII is 4.5. That's not "splitting anything" that's overwhelmingly positive.

texasgoldrush

Oh, right so when Amazon scores aren't overwhelmingly postiive we need to jump on it and determine that it's a "love it or hate it" game, and somehow that fan reaction, no matter how unjustified on either side, goes back in time and affects the quality of the game.

But when more accurate numbers prove that false, we need to wait? I get it.

Just admit it. You're trying to find ways to hate on FFXIII.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The average score of people confirmed to play FFXIII is 4.5. That's not "splitting anything" that's overwhelmingly positive.

hakanakumono

Oh, right so when Amazon scores aren't overwhelmingly postiive we need to jump on it and determine that it's a "love it or hate it" game, and somehow that fan reaction, no matter how unjustified on either side, goes back in time and affects the quality of the game.

But when more accurate numbers prove that false, we need to wait? I get it.

Just admit it. You're trying to find ways to hate on FFXIII.

Amazon's numbers were not what I expected actually, yours is more of what I expected.

But Western reception does matter.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] You can't even judge on initial buzz....sometimes to get the clear picture, you got to wait months after release, a year even, or even a decade.texasgoldrush

Oh, right so when Amazon scores aren't overwhelmingly postiive we need to jump on it and determine that it's a "love it or hate it" game, and somehow that fan reaction, no matter how unjustified on either side, goes back in time and affects the quality of the game.

But when more accurate numbers prove that false, we need to wait? I get it.

Just admit it. You're trying to find ways to hate on FFXIII.

Okay.

Given the fact that the game has barely been out for two days I'll take the negative reviews that are posted on Amazon with a grain of salt, especally considering the same thing happened to Dragon Quest IX.

I'll take the low review scores more serously after a week passes and people have had a longer period to play the game.

Right now, the low review scores seem like people having fun by screwing with Amazon's review system and Final Fantasy XIII

I guess the Japanese users feel something went wrong in development for FFXIII...It's as if the buyers of the game feel as if SE didn't concentrate 100% of their manpower on creating and making FFXIII the best game it could possibly be.

I can only speculate, but perhaps those disappointed users feel SE was distracted? Square Enix does have limited resources. I don't know.

It's like they feel that FFXIII isn't like the other Final Fantasy's for some reason.

I myself don't know yet.

I guess we will never know why they feel so let down by the latest Final Fantasy. It did sell really, really well though in just one day, just in Japan alone.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I guess the Japanese users feel something went wrong in development for FFXIII...It's as if the buyers of the game feel as if SE didn't concentrate 100% of their manpower on creating and making FFXIII the best game it could possibly be.

I can only speculate, but perhaps those disappointed users feel SE was distracted? Square Enix does have limited resources. I don't know.

It's like they feel that FFXIII isn't like the other Final Fantasy's for some reason.

I myself don't know yet.

I guess we will never know why they feel so let down by the latest Final Fantasy. It did sell really, really well though in just one day, just in Japan alone.

zarshack

Wha...?

"Whoa, Mama....Did I do that? At least nobody got hurt!"

*Nasal Snort*

Lucky for me i don't care what the Japanese like, or dislike.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

Now what are the common praise?garland51

This here. It's "The most helpful favorable review."

Meanwhile, there's another Japanese site that actually has more positives than negatives about this game.

*Again, you need an English Translator.*

Rakuten.

5 Stars = 590.

4 Stars = 171.

3 Stars = 67.

2 Stars = 8.

1 Star = 21.

This is the part of a review that I found very interesting:

ネットで「一本道」と言われていますが、本当にあらゆる意味で一本道です。
決まった道を決まった装備で決まった戦い方で進むだけ

The term "One-way street" has been used to describe this game all over the net, and in every possible meaning that term applies; You progress entirely by taking a set path, equip set items and fight using set strategies"

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

texasgoldrush

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

I am definately going to wait for reviews after people have actually finished the game, the negative critisims of the game being linear may be true throughout the whole game but my opinion of it seems people think the rest of the game will be linear due to the starting areas and such. This raises questions as msot final fantasy games start out quite linear in choices made for the first few hours until things eventually begin to open up.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Wow. I never expected for FFXIII to get such a bad rep from the Japanese fans. Oh, well, it won't stop me from grabbing this game.

Link.

*You may need an English Translator.*

5 Stars = 68.

4 Stars = 44.

3 Stars = 24.

2 Stars = 40.

1 Star = 28.

Greyfeld

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

As true for most FF games, it divides the audience. The western perception may be much worse.

More importantly though, what are some of th emost common criticisms?

Miroku32

Interesting... Nice investigation TC.