FFXIII-2 dialogue tree....

Nothing special.

I miss "Damn those Pulse l'Cie!" and "Moms are tough!" :(:cry:

Needs more Wheel.

not all rpgs need this.

Having dialogue choices doesnt automatically make the game better. They need to be able to write good characters and stories before they get to that level.Androvinus

Meh, I don't care much for this unless one choice significantly alters the flow of the story or change of route or something. I don't mind it here and there.

I love Mass Effect 2 and all....but that's just sad.

More evidence supporting my hypothesis that Mass Effect is more like a JRPG than a WRPG.foxhound_fox

Meh, I don't care much for this unless one choice significantly alters the flow of the story or change of route or something.

babycakin

Like DA: Origins? Bioware did it right with that game imo.

I always kept a crapload of backup saves just in case. :P

[QUOTE="babycakin"]

Meh, I don't care much for this unless one choice significantly alters the flow of the story or change of route or something.

Tikeio

Like DA: Origins? Bioware did it right with that game imo.

I always kept a crapload of backup saves just in case. :P

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[QUOTE="babycakin"]

Meh, I don't care much for this unless one choice significantly alters the flow of the story or change of route or something.

texasgoldrush

Like DA: Origins? Bioware did it right with that game imo.

I always kept a crapload of backup saves just in case. :P

I'm not familiar with the TW series, so I wouldn't know. Guess I'll find out when TW2 hits the 360 this year. :D

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Tikeio"]

Like DA: Origins? Bioware did it right with that game imo.

I always kept a crapload of backup saves just in case. :P

Tikeio

I'm not familiar with the TW series, so I wouldn't know. Guess I'll find out when TW2 hits the 360 this year. :D

ME has also influence such JRPGs as Alpha Protocol, The Witcher 2, and Deus EX HR.....loltexasgoldrush

Ugh, I hate freaking dialogue trees....

Ugh, I hate freaking dialogue trees....

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]Having dialogue choices doesnt automatically make the game better. They need to be able to write good characters and stories before they get to that level.texasgoldrush

This made me lol

Bioware, take notes: this is how a dialogue wheel is done right. :cool:

Slashkice

The best "dialogue wheel" is what they already had in DAO.

If I wanted to play a game with good choices I'd play a visual novel.siLVURcross

Good thing you know Japanese then.

Less than 5% of visual novels are available in English.

Dialog choices in FFVII left me with the feeling that Cloud had no character, that sits with me to this day. Seeing them make a return, well. :|

:shock:.....:|.....*rubs eys.....:shock:

.......Is this real life ?

all rpgs need this.

finalfantasy94

honestly didn't care about it in the demoeboyishere

Yeah, well everything isn't all sugar and rainbows! :evil:

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]ME has also influence such JRPGs as Alpha Protocol, The Witcher 2, and Deus EX HR.....lolfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]ME has also influence such JRPGs as Alpha Protocol, The Witcher 2, and Deus EX HR.....loldreman999

... lol?

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] I'm not sure what you're smoking... but those are pretty traditional WRPG's.hakanakumono

... lol?

This doesn't make me anymore excited for FFXIII-2.

Really FFXIII didn't need choices, non-linearity, different endings or whatever, all it really needed was better pacing and some more post-game content.

I don't know what you were expecting TC. There's really onlya fewways to do a dialogue tree.

Either set it up with a few choices that you pick with a button or have a list of them that you scroll through.

Step in the right direction he says, come off it. :roll:

why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingFirebird-5

The majority of devs don't understand the core of an RPG. The two that do are CD Projekt Red and Obsidian. So let's not just limit it to Japanese devs. The core of an RPG has been lost in recent years and only a few devs truly know how to make it shine in their games.

I'm pretty sure what western gamers look for in an RPG can be found in Japanese "Adventure Games" ...

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingNeonNinja

The majority of devs don't understand the core of an RPG. The two that do are CD Projekt Red and Obsidian. So let's not just limit it to Japanese devs. The core of an RPG has been lost in recent years and only a few devs truly know how to make it shine in their games.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingFirebird-5

The majority of devs don't understand the core of an RPG. The two that do are CD Projekt Red and Obsidian. So let's not just limit it to Japanese devs. The core of an RPG has been lost in recent years and only a few devs truly know how to make it shine in their games.

Because that's what JRPGs are about.

Moving on.

why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingFirebird-5

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]honestly didn't care about it in the demoTikeio

Yeah, well everything isn't all sugar and rainbows! :evil:

Didn't hate it but i wasn't going crazy about it either :P

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingBigboi500

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

all rpgs need this.

dreman999

no they dont. Some are fine without any diolog trees. Sometimes I just wanna be told a story without me putting direct impact into it like choices.

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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingFirebird-5

The majority of devs don't understand the core of an RPG. The two that do are CD Projekt Red and Obsidian. So let's not just limit it to Japanese devs. The core of an RPG has been lost in recent years and only a few devs truly know how to make it shine in their games.

I'm fairly certain they don't. Aside from Obsidian and CD Projekt Red, who pack in game-altering decisions from the get-go, decisions you can't go back on that fundamentally change the experience, there's little else. BioWare's choices are cosmetic. The experience remains the same. Bethesda completely removed choice in Oblivion and it has remained that way. It's possible to do every quest in that game and while some people view it as a good thing it also kills the role-playing. In Morrowind, if you were in the Thieves' Guild you were only in the Theives' Guild since they had you stealing from other Guilds as well and they didn't want you back. In more recent Bethesda titles, you do whatever you want and no one cares.

The base experience of an RPG needs to be a game that is molded by the role you play. And the two best examples of that are CD Projekt Red with their recent Witcher games and Obsidian with Fallout: New Vegas. Cosmetic choices are meaningless and shallow and completely undermine the core of an RPG as you put it. I'd rather not have them if they're meaningless.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

The majority of devs don't understand the core of an RPG. The two that do are CD Projekt Red and Obsidian. So let's not just limit it to Japanese devs. The core of an RPG has been lost in recent years and only a few devs truly know how to make it shine in their games.

NeonNinja

I'm fairly certain they don't. Aside from Obsidian and CD Projekt Red, who pack in game-altering decisions from the get-go, decisions you can't go back on that fundamentally change the experience, there's little else. BioWare's choices are cosmetic. The experience remains the same. Bethesda completely removed choice in Oblivion and it has remained that way. It's possible to do every quest in that game and while some people view it as a good thing it also kills the role-playing. In Morrowind, if you were in the Thieves' Guild you were only in the Theives' Guild since they had you stealing from other Guilds as well and they didn't want you back. In more recent Bethesda titles, you do whatever you want and no one cares.

The base experience of an RPG needs to be a game that is molded by the role you play. And the two best examples of that are CD Projekt Red with their recent Witcher games and Obsidian with Fallout: New Vegas. Cosmetic choices are meaningless and shallow and completely undermine the core of an RPG as you put it. I'd rather not have them if they're meaningless.

Why does it matter?

Why does it matter?

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Why does it matter?

Firebird-5

Oh okay. Makes sense.

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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]why bother? japanese devs still dont understand the core of an RPG. adding the choice of which question to ask first isnt going to change anythingFirebird-5

impact on the world? you must have played another game, every sngle choise i made in mass effect 1 was reflected in an npc with a line of dialogue in mass effect 2. Even the council survival.

mass effects choises are a joke, but i guess people can be easily fooled by a blue and red bar. Play witcher 2.