Final Fantasy 13 will not come to the 360.

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#1 trasherhead
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Just found this Link.
Go down to the develpoment part, where it says, and I quote
"Most of the development was begun on the Playstation 2, but was later migrated onto the Playstation 3 when the development team determined that a single DVD and the Playstation 2's hardware wouldn't suffice the storage and visual requirements. Most of the development was restarted on the Playstation 3"
Now I know that some of you will come with the " put it across several discs" agrument, but what they are saying here is that the engine and the data needed to run the game doesn't fit on a DVD. For a multi disc game you still need to have the game engine and the basic stuff on each disc.
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#2 Heith
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Yeah we know.. we know.. but the reason isn't disc space, you have to store signifigantly more on BD disks to make up for the 2x drive speed so that the blu-ray can find data faster, thats why PS3 games are being 18-25 gig and current PC and 360 games are 3-9 gig range on DVD9.
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#3 heretrix
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To be honest, they can keep it. It would be nice to have some exclusives that I actually want to play on that platform.
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#4 BigDaddyPOLO
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That's ok, FF should stick with Playstation.
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#5 jd7-03
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Yeah we know.. we know.. but the reason isn't disc space, you have to store signifigantly more on BD disks to make up for the 2x drive speed so that the blu-ray can find data faster, thats why PS3 games are being 18-25 gig and current PC and 360 games are 3-9 gig range on DVD9.
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#6 zidan4000
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Final Fantasy 13 is one of the important reasons that will make me buy a PS3
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#7 beyondgamez
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of course not..
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#8 Game13a13y
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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

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#9 Mass_Effect
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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

Exactly. Thats what I don't understand about fanboys

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Just found this Link.
Go down to the develpoment part, where it says, and I quote
"Most of the development was begun on the Playstation 2, but was later migrated onto the Playstation 3 when the development team determined that a SINGLE DVD and the Playstation 2's hardware wouldn't suffice the storage and visual requirements. Most of the development was restarted on the Playstation 3"
Now I know that some of you will come with the " put it across several discs" agrument, but what they are saying here is that the engine and the data needed to run the game doesn't fit on a DVD. For a multi disc game you still need to have the game engine and the basic stuff on each disc.
trasherhead
not that I give a **** about final fantasy, but there is always the possibility of bringing it over on multiple discs, it's not as if that's an impossibility.  If the sales of the PS3 don't improve, they could indeed come to the conclusion that making it multiplatform would be less of a risk.  The bottom line is that nothing's final without an exclusivity deal between sony and square enix.
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#11 MronoC
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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

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#12 anubis5400
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Final Fantasy 13 is one of the important reasons that will make me buy a PS3zidan4000
basically the only game 360 rules
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#13 mannholloway1
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[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

MronoC

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

QFT MS is making it mandatory to use the Hard drive with that said using compression techniques they could fit the game on the 360.
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[QUOTE="Heith"]Yeah we know.. we know.. but the reason isn't disc space, you have to store signifigantly more on BD disks to make up for the 2x drive speed so that the blu-ray can find data faster, thats why PS3 games are being 18-25 gig and current PC and 360 games are 3-9 gig range on DVD9.
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#15 rzepak
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Hmm lets see FF7...4 cds? FF8...4cds? oh and then there was FF9 also multiple cds...well isnt that weird. I remember playing those games and enjoying myslef...isnt that odd? And here I thought getting up to switch dvds after 40h of play meant the end of the world.
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#16 alex1889
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[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

MronoC

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

erm.. maybe they do...

see im useing lemming responce

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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

because these are the ONLY strong points of the PS3 right now, so how bad would the PS3 be if it lost those EXACT exclusives?
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#18 Game13a13y
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[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

MronoC

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

then its too bad for them. you've never seen us sheep and cows say stuffs like "please i want Halo 3 on my PS3/Wii...."

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#19 tricyclon123
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Just found this Link.
Go down to the develpoment part, where it says, and I quote
"Most of the development was begun on the Playstation 2, but was later migrated onto the Playstation 3 when the development team determined that a single DVD and the Playstation 2's hardware wouldn't suffice the storage and visual requirements. Most of the development was restarted on the Playstation 3"
Now I know that some of you will come with the " put it across several discs" agrument, but what they are saying here is that the engine and the data needed to run the game doesn't fit on a DVD. For a multi disc game you still need to have the game engine and the basic stuff on each disc.
trasherhead

Not really in FF case, unless it is like Oblivion, which is not. They just have to put 1/3 of the world in each of the 2 first dvd's,  and the HD videos, then load the whole world in a 3rd dvd that will hold far less videos near the end of the game. No big deal.

Noone suggest FF13 would come to 360 anyway, but if they wanted to make it, i think they could easilly do so

BTW, FF7-8-9 were on 3-4 disks each, if what you said was true, those games could never be done on PS1, still they did get made, and were some of the best in the series

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#20 shsonline
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[QUOTE="MronoC"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

then its too bad for them. you've never seen us sheep and cows say stuffs like "please i want Halo 3 on my PS3/Wii...."


Umm, actually yes. yes I have.
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360 fanboys are just in denial.
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#22 Darth_Stalin
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I knew this. I honestly could care less about S-E, who I want to see more of on the 360 is Level-5.
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#23 Rashpal
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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

Well put.
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#24 shsonline
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[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Rashpal

Well put.


Or its entirely possible that some lems just want to see it come to 360 to see PS3 lose another exclusive. There's good games on all systems, to be a fanboy and not admit it is just denial.
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#25 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

shsonline

Well put.


Or its entirely possible that some lems just want to see it come to 360 to see PS3 lose another exclusive. There's good games on all systems, to be a fanboy and not admit it is just denial.

There's good games on all systems which is why you get all, to get the best of all worlds...
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#26 TheCrimsonKoopa
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Final Fantasy 13 isn't coming to the 360? Oh no! [/sarcasm]
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#27 jackassultima
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[QUOTE="MronoC"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

mannholloway1

umm....maybe because they don't want to have to spend another $500-600 to buy another console just to play one game?

QFT MS is making it mandatory to use the Hard drive with that said using compression techniques they could fit the game on the 360.

So all the "Core" systems suddenly get left behind? That sounds like a bad Catch 22: FORCE a hard rive on a customer for new games and suffer major ownage or not get any games that won't work without an install Thus MS's dual SKU setup was a bad idea from the outset.
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#28 Doomlike_Mitc
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[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Mass_Effect

Exactly. Thats what I don't understand about fanboys



Believe me I think they enjoy the ownage more then being able playing the actual game itself.
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#29 Game13a13y
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[QUOTE="Mass_Effect"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Doomlike_Mitc

Exactly. Thats what I don't understand about fanboys



Believe me I think they enjoy the ownage more then being able playing the actual game itself.

hm... let me think... which one a normal gamer would rather enjoy, the ownage, or ... hm...me ... think.... the games?

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#30 vistamanV5
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Let them have it, I need a game to buy for my Ps3 anyway.
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#31 Raidea
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Hold on a second...

No one has said anything about wanting FFXIII to come to the 360, this thread wasn't even made by a 360 fan. Yet 360 owners are apparently begging for it to come to their system?

Everyone knows FFXIII won't come, and the only reason some 360 owners want MGS4 to come is because there have been rumors of a port!

You idiots really are quick to make something out of nothing, aren't you.
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#32 Carmilla31
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I knew this. I honestly could care less about S-E, who I want to see more of on the 360 is Level-5.Tulak_Hord
If you want Level 5 you need a PS3 too. Most of their games are published by Sony. ex. Dark Cloud, Jeane Arc, Rogue Galaxy, and White Knight.
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#33 DA_B0MB
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I never really played FF except for FF crystal chronicals on the cube... which was a joke. Regaurdless, I will make sure I pick up FF13 when it comes out and find out for myself what makes the FF series so special.
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oh no !
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Tell us something we didn't know.
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#36 tricyclon123
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Hold on a second...

No one has said anything about wanting FFXIII to come to the 360, this thread wasn't even made by a 360 fan. Yet 360 owners are apparently begging for it to come to their system?

Everyone knows FFXIII won't come, and the only reason some 360 owners want MGS4 to come is because there have been rumors of a port!

You idiots really are quick to make something out of nothing, aren't you.
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Still FF13 could 100% be done on 360

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#37 lawlessx
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just who said FF13 would be heading to the 360 in the first place :?
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#38 Viviath
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Hmm lets see FF7...4 cds? FF8...4cds? oh and then there was FF9 also multiple cds...well isnt that weird. I remember playing those games and enjoying myslef...isnt that odd? And here I thought getting up to switch dvds after 40h of play meant the end of the world.rzepak
FFVII was 3 disks...just so u know....
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#39 -Pale
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Shock and Awe, the only people who didn't see this coming were lemmings. :lol: j/k
just who said FF13 would be heading to the 360 in the first place :?lawlessx
People made the assumption that because Square licensed UE3, the game would go to the 360. I know, brilliant deduction.
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#40 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="Raidea"]Hold on a second...

No one has said anything about wanting FFXIII to come to the 360, this thread wasn't even made by a 360 fan. Yet 360 owners are apparently begging for it to come to their system?

Everyone knows FFXIII won't come, and the only reason some 360 owners want MGS4 to come is because there have been rumors of a port!

You idiots really are quick to make something out of nothing, aren't you.
tricyclon123

Still FF13 could 100% be done on 360

I never said the system couldn't run the game, but when the game engine would take up most of the dvd disc there wouldn't be mutch space left for the game. You could offcourse install the game engine onto the HDD, which the PS3 has standar, but the 360 hasn't.
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#41 tricyclon123
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[QUOTE="tricyclon123"]

[QUOTE="Raidea"]Hold on a second...

No one has said anything about wanting FFXIII to come to the 360, this thread wasn't even made by a 360 fan. Yet 360 owners are apparently begging for it to come to their system?

Everyone knows FFXIII won't come, and the only reason some 360 owners want MGS4 to come is because there have been rumors of a port!

You idiots really are quick to make something out of nothing, aren't you.
trasherhead

Still FF13 could 100% be done on 360

I never said the system couldn't run the game, but when the game engine would take up most of the dvd disc there wouldn't be mutch space left for the game. You could offcourse install the game engine onto the HDD, which the PS3 has standar, but the 360 hasn't.

You are so wrong in what you suggest, videos take up most of the space, not the in game graphics, jave you even seen Oblivion ?

BTW engines do not take up space on disk, models / textures and videos do that

You probably do not know that FF7-8-9 were on 4 disks each, and Blue Dragon in 3 !!!

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why do lemmings always "hope" MGS and FF to be on the 360? if they want to play it so bad, just get a playstation dude.

Game13a13y

lol this is true.
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#43 ParellelSpider
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Here is what I got from that:

"Sony gave us alot of money to make up total B.S. about why games won't fit on DVDs because they want to make their precious Blu-Ray look better, and we happily agreed so here goes: FF13 will not work on DVDs"

Oh well, there hasn't been a good FF since 8 so they can keep their overhyped FF franchise, it doesn't matter I dont think gates is gonna lose any sleep over this.
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Suprise, 12 hours of Hi-Def cutscreens about an overly feminine protagonist, a talking animal and a tough guy that dosen't want to be on an adventure, but is there anyway to make up for his dark past will not fit on a DVD9. Seriously though by the time FF13 comes out the PS3 will have sold ten million units and will be down to $400 and most of us will own one.
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#45 tricyclon123
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Here is what I got from that:

"Sony gave us alot of money to make up total B.S. about why games won't fit on DVDs because they want to make their precious Blu-Ray look better, and we happily agreed so here goes: FF13 will not work on DVDs"

Oh well, there hasn't been a good FF since 8 so they can keep their overhyped FF franchise, it doesn't matter I dont think gates is gonna lose any sleep over this.
ParellelSpider

It is still the most wanted next gen game in Japan, MS should loose all sleep over that

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#46 subrosian
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Just found this Link.
Go down to the develpoment part, where it says, and I quote
"Most of the development was begun on the Playstation 2, but was later migrated onto the Playstation 3 when the development team determined that a single DVD and the Playstation 2's hardware wouldn't suffice the storage and visual requirements. Most of the development was restarted on the Playstation 3"
Now I know that some of you will come with the " put it across several discs" agrument, but what they are saying here is that the engine and the data needed to run the game doesn't fit on a DVD. For a multi disc game you still need to have the game engine and the basic stuff on each disc.
trasherhead
A lot of people get confused on what an engine actually is - it's okay, but to falsely believe that the engine is some piece of software that takes up more than 9gb of disc space in the final product, and then pass this off as the truth - is unacceptable. An "engine" - such as the White Engine used in FF XIII - refers to both the software development tools and the pre-built code for making things like AI, graphics, and physics easier. However, the code for something like a physics engine isn't constantly streaming off a disc - the PS3 only has 256mb of general use ram - do you honestly believe some 12gigs of data have to be streamed in, just to calculate a few lighting effects? The reason the Blu-Ray disc is useful for Square Enix is that Final Fantasy games have a lot of pre-rendered video - all that extra storage space makes it easier for them to hold the video, without having to split the game across multiple discs. That's it. If you don't believe me though - I'd take a good look at Square Enix's future plans to use the Unreal Engine 3 - an engine that has been *proven* to run on Xbox 360. FF XIII will likely be one of the last games built on the White Engine, as Square Enix moves to Unreal Engine 3 in 2008. I'm sure the big concern with the PS2 was more that the graphical power was not suited to a multi-million dollar project like FF XIII, they didn't want to release a game that took them years of development only to have it come out on an extremely dated platform.
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#47 ParellelSpider
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[QUOTE="ParellelSpider"]Here is what I got from that:

"Sony gave us alot of money to make up total B.S. about why games won't fit on DVDs because they want to make their precious Blu-Ray look better, and we happily agreed so here goes: FF13 will not work on DVDs"

Oh well, there hasn't been a good FF since 8 so they can keep their overhyped FF franchise, it doesn't matter I dont think gates is gonna lose any sleep over this.
tricyclon123

It is still the most wanted next gen game in Japan, MS should loose all sleep over that



That may be true but thats just Japan, and it has been said time and time again that Japans impact on the market isnt nearly as huge as it was before. In fact you're probably right about it being huge in Japan, but North America has the highest impact on video games now. Plus you cant leave out the Brits, Aussies, Europians etc. Final fantasy has lost alot of interest since 11 (not alot of people agree with having to pay for a game then having to pay to play it) and I think Square and Sony have alot riding on FF13, in fact I bet the thought has come across Square (more then once) to go Multiplat because of the low numbers (and demand) of the PS3, but Sony is probably paying them to keep it exclusive hense this announcement.
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#48 ParellelSpider
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]Just found this Link.
Go down to the develpoment part, where it says, and I quote
"Most of the development was begun on the Playstation 2, but was later migrated onto the Playstation 3 when the development team determined that a single DVD and the Playstation 2's hardware wouldn't suffice the storage and visual requirements. Most of the development was restarted on the Playstation 3"
Now I know that some of you will come with the " put it across several discs" agrument, but what they are saying here is that the engine and the data needed to run the game doesn't fit on a DVD. For a multi disc game you still need to have the game engine and the basic stuff on each disc.
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A lot of people get confused on what an engine actually is - it's okay, but to falsely believe that the engine is some piece of software that takes up more than 9gb of disc space in the final product, and then pass this off as the truth - is unacceptable. An "engine" - such as the White Engine used in FF XIII - refers to both the software development tools and the pre-built code for making things like AI, graphics, and physics easier. However, the code for something like a physics engine isn't constantly streaming off a disc - the PS3 only has 256mb of general use ram - do you honestly believe some 12gigs of data have to be streamed in, just to calculate a few lighting effects? The reason the Blu-Ray disc is useful for Square Enix is that Final Fantasy games have a lot of pre-rendered video - all that extra storage space makes it easier for them to hold the video, without having to split the game across multiple discs. That's it. If you don't believe me though - I'd take a good look at Square Enix's future plans to use the Unreal Engine 3 - an engine that has been *proven* to run on Xbox 360. FF XIII will likely be one of the last games built on the White Engine, as Square Enix moves to Unreal Engine 3 in 2008. I'm sure the big concern with the PS2 was more that the graphical power was not suited to a multi-million dollar project like FF XIII, they didn't want to release a game that took them years of development only to have it come out on an extremely dated platform.



Yes but didn't Square promise that FF13 was going to be completly rendered in real-time rather then having cutscenes? If so then they really dont need more capacity, unless they lied about that. Also if they do need it, they could just compress it to fit on a DVD and the loading times would be about the same as the PS3 because Blu-ray is slow.