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#1 thelastguy
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First of all, this is a list of games that do and will recieve trophy suppourt.

  • Super Stardust HD - Game has been patched and is ready to go!
  • PixelJunk Eden - First game to be released with trophies.
  • Warhawk - Is said to be patched sometime this week, and 10 Warhawk trophies will be retroactive.
  • Burnout Paradise - Will be patched, date unknown, trophies ARE retroactive in this game.
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Will be patched, date unknown.
  • BUZZ! Quiz TV.
  • Motorstorm Pacific Rift.
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • NBA 09
  • PAIN - Will be patched, date unknown
  • Resistance 2
  • SOCOM: Confrontation

Every 360 game has achievement support, right? Every game has to be patched to support trophies and custom soundtracks on the ps3. Sure we have these features on the ps3, but we are not able to use them. The marketplace is also far superior the Playstation Store with movies and music.

Sure all of the features Sony has ANNOUNCED OR HAVE BEEN RUMORED for the PSN, will make it on par with Live. For example HOME, Life with Playstation, adding ps2 games and movies to the store. But the features that are out RIGHT NOW, are in no way, shape or form better than Live.

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#2 lawlessx
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might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

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#3 thelastguy
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might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

lawlessx

Resistance 2 was already confirmed to have trophies.

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#4 gatman89
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might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

lawlessx
R2 will definetly have trophies RFOM on the other hand might not
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#5 beast667
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I'm actually dissappointed to hear how few games will have trophies. I was hoping it would give me a reason to play through some of those shorter games like Uncharted and Heavenly Sword again.

adding ps2 games and movies to the storejtdawg23
Even if that happened, PS2 would probably get as many games as the PS1 is getting on the PSN store. The selection is pretty pathetic.

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#6 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

gatman89

R2 will definetly have trophies RFOM on the other hand might not

Yeah, I do not really see a point in adding trophies to a 2 year old game, They should just focus on the second,

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#7 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

jtdawg23

Resistance 2 was already confirmed to have trophies.

correct

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#8 EmperorSupreme
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It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

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#9 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

gatman89

R2 will definetly have trophies RFOM on the other hand might not

you cant really say that if the developers arent sure themselfs

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#10 thelastguy
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It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

EmperorSupreme

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.

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#11 0rin
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First of all, this is a list of games that do and will recieve trophy suppourt.

  • Super Stardust HD - Game has been patched and is ready to go!
  • PixelJunk Eden - First game to be released with trophies.
  • Warhawk - Is said to be patched sometime this week, and 10 Warhawk trophies will be retroactive.
  • Burnout Paradise - Will be patched, date unknown, trophies ARE retroactive in this game.
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Will be patched, date unknown.
  • BUZZ! Quiz TV.
  • Motorstorm Pacific Rift.
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • NBA 09
  • PAIN - Will be patched, date unknown
  • Resistance 2
  • SOCOM: Confrontation

Every 360 game has achievement support, right? Every game has to be patched to support trophies and custom soundtracks on the ps3. Sure we have these features on the ps3, but we are not able to use them. The marketplace is also far superior the Playstation Store with movies and music.

Sure all of the features Sony has ANNOUNCED OR HAVE BEEN RUMORED for the PSN, will make it on par with Live. For example HOME, Life with Playstation, adding ps2 games and movies to the store. But the features that are out RIGHT NOW, are in no way, shape or form better than Live.

jtdawg23


I agree about PSN not being "clearly" better than live (I say clearly, because as with all things like this, its strictly based on opinion, but I think the majority that has played both sides of this field would agree with you.. for the time being)

But I think that 2.4 is a definite step in the right direction, and it brings Sony up the ladder, and right now they are definitey nipping at MS's heels. While it IS unfortunate Sony didn't release these features sooner, allowing for less "afterthought trophy support", it's not a huge deal.

I can live without having to replay all my old games just for points. I'd rather just have it so any games I buy from now on will have trophy support from the get-go.

It will be nice to have trophy support for Uncharted, and it would be great to get it for games like R&CF, and obviously MGS4, but I can wait.

And if "retroactive" means what I think it does, I think more games should be like that. Hopefully if MGS4 supports Trophies, they will be retroactive.

Also, its nice now that third parties can now more or less "cut and paste" achievements from the 360 to the PS3, and vis versa (depending on which version leads).

And I hope the majority/all of the games to come will support the custom soundtrack option. I like how Super Stardust did it. It is very smooth, and simple, and you can adjust the volume of the music, and the games SFX, as though the Music were actually a part of the game. very spiffy.
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#12 yellowandmushy
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[QUOTE="gatman89"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

might wanna put a "?" next to resistance 2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/02/insomniac-not-currently-adding-trophies-to-randc-future-resist/

lawlessx

R2 will definetly have trophies RFOM on the other hand might not

you cant really say that if the developers arent sure themselfs

The game is confirmed to have trophies. Bryan was talking about Resistance 1.
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#13 blackeneddeath
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yeah... fanboys hyped this to just set up for an upset. I was lucky to get the update and have my ps3 not brick so i am happy. I just view this as a good starting point for psn to build up and become a competitive service to live. While atm its not very close to live it seems the potential for psn with future updates can quickly close the gap between live and psn.
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#14 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="gatman89"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

yellowandmushy

R2 will definetly have trophies RFOM on the other hand might not

you cant really say that if the developers arent sure themselfs

The game is confirmed to have trophies. Bryan was talking about Resistance 1.

oh wow..i competely misread that.

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i don't think too many game devs will want to spend time to patch old games to add trophies. i wonder if all new games will have them?
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#16 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"]

First of all, this is a list of games that do and will recieve trophy suppourt.

  • Super Stardust HD - Game has been patched and is ready to go!
  • PixelJunk Eden - First game to be released with trophies.
  • Warhawk - Is said to be patched sometime this week, and 10 Warhawk trophies will be retroactive.
  • Burnout Paradise - Will be patched, date unknown, trophies ARE retroactive in this game.
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Will be patched, date unknown.
  • BUZZ! Quiz TV.
  • Motorstorm Pacific Rift.
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • NBA 09
  • PAIN - Will be patched, date unknown
  • Resistance 2
  • SOCOM: Confrontation

Every 360 game has achievement support, right? Every game has to be patched to support trophies and custom soundtracks on the ps3. Sure we have these features on the ps3, but we are not able to use them. The marketplace is also far superior the Playstation Store with movies and music.

Sure all of the features Sony has ANNOUNCED OR HAVE BEEN RUMORED for the PSN, will make it on par with Live. For example HOME, Life with Playstation, adding ps2 games and movies to the store. But the features that are out RIGHT NOW, are in no way, shape or form better than Live.

0rin



I agree about PSN not being "clearly" better than live (I say clearly, because as with all things like this, its strictly based on opinion, but I think the majority that has played both sides of this field would agree with you.. for the time being)

But I think that 2.4 is a definite step in the right direction, and it brings Sony up the ladder, and right now they are definitey nipping at MS's heels. While it IS unfortunate Sony didn't release these features sooner, allowing for less "afterthought trophy support", it's not a huge deal.

I can live without having to replay all my old games just for points. I'd rather just have it so any games I buy from now on will have trophy support from the get-go.

It will be nice to have trophy support for Uncharted, and it would be great to get it for games like R&CF, and obviously MGS4, but I can wait.

And if "retroactive" means what I think it does, I think more games should be like that. Hopefully if MGS4 supports Trophies, they will be retroactive.

Also, its nice now that third parties can now more or less "cut and paste" achievements from the 360 to the PS3, and vis versa (depending on which version leads).

And I hope the majority/all of the games to come will support the custom soundtrack option. I like how Super Stardust did it. It is very smooth, and simple, and you can adjust the volume of the music, and the games SFX, as though the Music were actually a part of the game. very spiffy.

I agree, it was a very good update. Sony is finally moving in the right direction.

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#17 blackeneddeath
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i don't think too many game devs will want to spend time to patch old games to add trophies. i wonder if all new games will have them?shoeman12

i wouldnt see why not unless they are being released with in less than a month

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#18 0rin
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

jtdawg23

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P (because I used to make fun of people who played games for a number. lol)

It absolutely adds a lot of incentive to replay/100% a game. Silly society and our false sence of superiority, no matter if it's money, or a digital number/picture saying you managed to kill 200 people in COD4, bang 50 hookers in GTAIV, and suicide 30 times in one match of Warhawk... lol.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

jtdawg23

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.

it reminds me of saturnday

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#20 blackeneddeath
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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

0rin

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

finally someone who is looking at the issue the same way i am. Sure 2.4 doesnt seem all complete atm, but atleast its out and people no longer have to do the rediculous things they used to just to read a message from a friend. I guess i am one of the few people that is happy sony released it now and will just keep updating things as time goes along. I really got tired of "waiting"

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I haven't even updated it yet. Probably won't get to it till the start of August. I don't game online.

Did they fix the 2.4 problems are are they still bricking PS3s??? I might try and get the update through the website.

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#22 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

0rin

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

Sony should have at least had patches released for the games when the update was released. I understand that yes, the devs have the option of implementing the system. But, at least the first party titles could have had the trophy support from day one.

I guess that yes, we are not forced to use the trophy system, but it would have been nice to actually use it on the first day.

I can see myself getting addicted to trophies as well:P

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#23 thelastguy
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I haven't even updated it yet. Probably won't get to it till the start of August. I don't game online.

Did they fix the 2.4 problems are are they still bricking PS3s??? I might try and get the update through the website.

hayato_

They pulled the update. You can't download it.

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#24 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

blackeneddeath

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

finally someone who is looking at the issue the same way i am. Sure 2.4 doesnt seem all complete atm, but atleast its out and people no longer have to do the rediculous things they used to just to read a message from a friend. I guess i am one of the few people that is happy sony released it now and will just keep updating things as time goes along. I really got tired of "waiting"

I guess something is better than nothing. Sony released the update because people were getting tired of waiting.

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#25 hayato_
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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

I haven't even updated it yet. Probably won't get to it till the start of August. I don't game online.

Did they fix the 2.4 problems are are they still bricking PS3s??? I might try and get the update through the website.

jtdawg23

They pulled the update. You can't download it.

I thought they put it back up earlier this evening. O well, I don't play online and I don't care about XMB, trophies, or etc so its no big. I think the only thing I cared about was them getting the backwards comp. to at least 99% through updates and even then I still don't use that feature that much. Hopefully the next update will go more smoothly. Sony better late then never lol

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#26 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

blackeneddeath

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

finally someone who is looking at the issue the same way i am. Sure 2.4 doesnt seem all complete atm, but atleast its out and people no longer have to do the rediculous things they used to just to read a message from a friend. I guess i am one of the few people that is happy sony released it now and will just keep updating things as time goes along. I really got tired of "waiting"

I am fine with 2.4, it addressed some issues that needed to be fixed. Saying that 2.4 made the PSN better than Live is not true at this point is what I was trying to say.

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#27 0rin
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[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

jtdawg23

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

Sony should have at least had patches released for the games when the update was released. I understand that yes, the devs have the option of implementing the system. But, at least the first party titles could have had the trophy support from day one.

I guess that yes, we are not forced to use the trophy system, but it would have been nice to actually use it on the first day.

I can see myself getting addicted to trophies as well:P



Yeah, the first party titles SHOULD, but think about this. which devs of first party games have the time/resources to go back and whip up trophies for their games?

Ninja Theory is off doing their own multiplat thing or whatever the hell it is they are doing, and they have all but abandoned Sony. Insomniac is up to their ears in development on Resistance 2, and no doubt the next R&C game. Factor 4.5 (lol) is busy with their wii lolsclusive. Evolution is working on Motorstorm Pacific Rift.

that isn't to say they can't spare the week or two (TOTAL guess I have NO IDEA how long it would actually take) that it would take to go through and code in some trophies, but really, why do it for a game that is a year old, and didn't sell all that well in the first place.

Though, I think games that have been released from Q4 07 to present should all go back at some point and throw in some trophies. If Ubi actually went and put in some trophies for Asassins Creed, it'd give me actual insentive to go and get it. As is, I find it ridiculous that they put flags in the PS3 version. But if they tacked on a trophy for collecting them all (gold), it would totaly make it worth the effort!

I dunno. thats just how i see it.
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#28 leviathan91
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I was expecting top games, such as CoD4, MGS4, and GTAIV, to have trophy support. Pretty dissapointed in trophies so far, as well as custom soundtracks. Ingame XMB is faster but the 360's ingame menu has more features to mess around with.

While the update is dissapointing, it does show that Sony is on the right path. Moving quite slowly...

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#29 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="jtdawg23"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

0rin

Then why did the release it. It is pointless to have a feature that we are unable to use.



Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P

Sony should have at least had patches released for the games when the update was released. I understand that yes, the devs have the option of implementing the system. But, at least the first party titles could have had the trophy support from day one.

I guess that yes, we are not forced to use the trophy system, but it would have been nice to actually use it on the first day.

I can see myself getting addicted to trophies as well:P



Yeah, the first party titles SHOULD, but think about this. which devs of first party games have the time/resources to go back and whip up trophies for their games?

Ninja Theory is off doing their own multiplat thing or whatever the hell it is they are doing, and they have all but abandoned Sony. Insomniac is up to their ears in development on Resistance 2, and no doubt the next R&C game. Factor 4.5 (lol) is busy with their wii lolsclusive. Evolution is working on Motorstorm Pacific Rift.

that isn't to say they can't spare the week or two (TOTAL guess I have NO IDEA how long it would actually take) that it would take to go through and code in some trophies, but really, why do it for a game that is a year old, and didn't sell all that well in the first place.

Though, I think games that have been released from Q4 07 to present should all go back at some point and throw in some trophies. If Ubi actually went and put in some trophies for Asassins Creed, it'd give me actual insentive to go and get it. As is, I find it ridiculous that they put flags in the PS3 version. But if they tacked on a trophy for collecting them all (gold), it would totaly make it worth the effort!

I dunno. thats just how i see it.

Yeah, games that have been released from at least the fourth quarter of last year should have them. I would be more concerned with games like Uncharted, Assassins Creed and Metal Gear Solid 4 getting patched instead of a game like Dynasty Warriors.

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Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P (because I used to make fun of people who played games for a number. lol)

It absolutely adds a lot of incentive to replay/100% a game. Silly society and our false sence of superiority, no matter if it's money, or a digital number/picture saying you managed to kill 200 people in COD4, bang 50 hookers in GTAIV, and suicide 30 times in one match of Warhawk... lol.
0rin

Microsoft requires Devs to include achievements in any 360 games, so If sony wanted to I'm sure they could with future games (i doubt they will though since its so late in the game, and dont want to seperate the library into games with trophies and without).

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Sony is just getting started with the online
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Sony is just getting started with the onlineepic_pets

It seems they started a little too late.

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[QUOTE="0rin"]

Sony doesn't have the right to force a company to add trophies, nor do they have the right to put trophies in these games themselves. They merely supplied the tools, its up to the developers to utilize them.

Your argument seems very flawed to me. It's like saying why go to the store and buy food for the next week when you could just go get fast food.

Does everything have to be instant gratification nowadays? I personally can wait patiently for whatever the devs/Sony have in store for us. I have played games just fine till now without trophies, and they were fun.

But I must say... Trophies/Achievements really do add quite a lot to games... I can see myself turning into one of those people addicted to numbers. ZOMG I R FLIPFLOPPAR!. :P (because I used to make fun of people who played games for a number. lol)

It absolutely adds a lot of incentive to replay/100% a game. Silly society and our false sence of superiority, no matter if it's money, or a digital number/picture saying you managed to kill 200 people in COD4, bang 50 hookers in GTAIV, and suicide 30 times in one match of Warhawk... lol.
opex07

Microsoft requires Devs to include achievements in any 360 games, so If sony wanted to I'm sure they could with future games (i doubt they will though since its so late in the game, and dont want to seperate the library into games with trophies and without).

I really do hope that Sony forces devs to include trophies.

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#34 0rin
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[QUOTE="epic_pets"]Sony is just getting started with the onlinejtdawg23

It seems they started a little too late.



I wouldn't say "too" late. Just a little delayed is all. It's only been a year and a half, and thats the US release. It hasn't even been out that long in europe. heh.

They have plenty of time to get the PSN up and running, and turned into a well oiled machine, the likes of XBL. This IS after all the first console PSN has been on any console (with any sort of actual intent on using it as a selling point), where as the original Xbox had the infantile version of XBL on it last gen. So MS has the upper hand on time.

I think Sony can pull this off if they continue to update the firmware REGULARLY, adding things. Even if its one thing at time, like for instance, a new feature every few weeks or so, mixed in with some more security features, etc.

Some of the things I feel Sony really needs to deliver are:
-Better browser support, including the latest versions of flash, and Javascript.
-In-game XMB chat support (It is OBVIOUSLY on it's way, so thats a plus)
-Allow in-game music to come from external drives (i.e. iPod)

And to a lesser extent, I feel they should improve the trophy/notice sytem (for instance, when someone sends you a message, if you have notifications turned on) so that it's not just a plain giant gray box. At least make it so we can mess with the color/occupacy of the background, to the extent of making it so just the message/trophy shows with a small outline.

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#35 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"]

[QUOTE="epic_pets"]Sony is just getting started with the online0rin

It seems they started a little too late.



I wouldn't say "too" late. Just a little delayed is all. It's only been a year and a half, and thats the US release. It hasn't even been out that long in europe. heh.

They have plenty of time to get the PSN up and running, and turned into a well oiled machine, the likes of XBL. This IS after all the first console PSN has been on any console (with any sort of actual intent on using it as a selling point), where as the original Xbox had the infantile version of XBL on it last gen. So MS has the upper hand on time.

I think Sony can pull this off if they continue to update the firmware REGULARLY, adding things. Even if its one thing at time, like for instance, a new feature every few weeks or so, mixed in with some more security features, etc.

Some of the things I feel Sony really needs to deliver are:
-Better browser support, including the latest versions of flash, and Javascript.
-In-game XMB chat support (It is OBVIOUSLY on it's way, so thats a plus)
-Allow in-game music to come from external drives (i.e. iPod)

And to a lesser extent, I feel they should improve the trophy/notice sytem (for instance, when someone sends you a message, if you have notifications turned on) so that it's not just a plain giant gray box. At least make it so we can mess with the color/occupacy of the background, to the extent of making it so just the message/trophy shows with a small outline.

Yeah i agree with you. Most of those features are needed and will come in the future. You can change the notification theme, only when you are in the XMB though.

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I wouldn't say "too" late. Just a little delayed is all. It's only been a year and a half, and thats the US release. It hasn't even been out that long in europe. heh.

They have plenty of time to get the PSN up and running, and turned into a well oiled machine, the likes of XBL. This IS after all the first console PSN has been on any console (with any sort of actual intent on using it as a selling point), where as the original Xbox had the infantile version of XBL on it last gen. So MS has the upper hand on time.

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0rin

ps2 had an online service aswell (I think it was called PSN, due to the hardware required to play was called the network adapter) so its not their first attempt.

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It's a brand new as of today right.

Isn't it kind've obvious that not many games are going to support it yet.

EmperorSupreme

Then the yshould have waited a month and had a grand daddy of games already patched.

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First of all, this is a list of games that do and will recieve trophy suppourt.

  • Super Stardust HD - Game has been patched and is ready to go!
  • PixelJunk Eden - First game to be released with trophies.
  • Warhawk - Is said to be patched sometime this week, and 10 Warhawk trophies will be retroactive.
  • Burnout Paradise - Will be patched, date unknown, trophies ARE retroactive in this game.
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Will be patched, date unknown.
  • BUZZ! Quiz TV.
  • Motorstorm Pacific Rift.
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • NBA 09
  • PAIN - Will be patched, date unknown
  • Resistance 2
  • SOCOM: Confrontation

Every 360 game has achievement support, right? Every game has to be patched to support trophies and custom soundtracks on the ps3. Sure we have these features on the ps3, but we are not able to use them. The marketplace is also far superior the Playstation Store with movies and music.

Sure all of the features Sony has ANNOUNCED OR HAVE BEEN RUMORED for the PSN, will make it on par with Live. For example HOME, Life with Playstation, adding ps2 games and movies to the store. But the features that are out RIGHT NOW, are in no way, shape or form better than Live.

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PSN was already better than LIVE for me because it allows me to play online for free.

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[QUOTE="jtdawg23"]

First of all, this is a list of games that do and will recieve trophy suppourt.

  • Super Stardust HD - Game has been patched and is ready to go!
  • PixelJunk Eden - First game to be released with trophies.
  • Warhawk - Is said to be patched sometime this week, and 10 Warhawk trophies will be retroactive.
  • Burnout Paradise - Will be patched, date unknown, trophies ARE retroactive in this game.
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Will be patched, date unknown.
  • BUZZ! Quiz TV.
  • Motorstorm Pacific Rift.
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • NBA 09
  • PAIN - Will be patched, date unknown
  • Resistance 2
  • SOCOM: Confrontation

Every 360 game has achievement support, right? Every game has to be patched to support trophies and custom soundtracks on the ps3. Sure we have these features on the ps3, but we are not able to use them. The marketplace is also far superior the Playstation Store with movies and music.

Sure all of the features Sony has ANNOUNCED OR HAVE BEEN RUMORED for the PSN, will make it on par with Live. For example HOME, Life with Playstation, adding ps2 games and movies to the store. But the features that are out RIGHT NOW, are in no way, shape or form better than Live.

0rin



I agree about PSN not being "clearly" better than live (I say clearly, because as with all things like this, its strictly based on opinion, but I think the majority that has played both sides of this field would agree with you.. for the time being)

But I think that 2.4 is a definite step in the right direction, and it brings Sony up the ladder, and right now they are definitey nipping at MS's heels. While it IS unfortunate Sony didn't release these features sooner, allowing for less "afterthought trophy support", it's not a huge deal.

I can live without having to replay all my old games just for points. I'd rather just have it so any games I buy from now on will have trophy support from the get-go.

It will be nice to have trophy support for Uncharted, and it would be great to get it for games like R&CF, and obviously MGS4, but I can wait.

And if "retroactive" means what I think it does, I think more games should be like that. Hopefully if MGS4 supports Trophies, they will be retroactive.

Also, its nice now that third parties can now more or less "cut and paste" achievements from the 360 to the PS3, and vis versa (depending on which version leads).

And I hope the majority/all of the games to come will support the custom soundtrack option. I like how Super Stardust did it. It is very smooth, and simple, and you can adjust the volume of the music, and the games SFX, as though the Music were actually a part of the game. very spiffy.

I'm guessing if MGS4 had trophies they'd be the same as the 'Emblems' already in the game...
Wouldn't be too hard to make those retroactive, since the game can figure out if you have the emblem or not.

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I kinda understand the old games not having them, but Sony's gotta make sure that EVERY future game gets them
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#41 hywel69
Member since 2002 • 1086 Posts

Oh No!

Sony Over promise and under deliver....so whats new?