“Flagship” Alienware Steam-Machine – no upgrades – bad thing

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#1 engineer234
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As you might know Valve and Alienware have been working together to provide the so-called “flagship” Steam-Machine, which is supposed to lead the Steam-Machine trek.

video version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77XrydFAUgw

Gabe Newell gets quoted on the Alienware title website:

“The result of our collaboration is the Alienware Steam Machine, a console that encapsulates the full potential of what a Steam Machine should be."

NOT upgradeable - ??? FULL Potential ???

For me that Machine definitely doesn’t “encapsulate the full potential of what a Steam-Machine should be.” I doesn’t even reach half of the potential a Steam-Machine should be.

A Flagship device should be fully UPGRADEABLE.

Why has Valve been mentioning this since the first announcements in September – UPGRADEABILITY. They wrote they create a guide for helping with upgrade decisions.

And now the “FLAGSHIP” Steam-Machine is not upgradeable - LAME.

I won’t buy that Steam-Machine, I’ll buy that CyberpowerPC Steam-Machine. It’s fully upgradeable with standard PC components. So I don’t have to buy a whole new Steam-Machine for being able to play 4k resolution fluently in three years, I’ll just need a 250 Dollar new graphics card and put it into the case.

So you buy the Alienware Steam-Machine and cannot upgrade, big deal, just buy a PS4 or an Xbox One, also no upgrades. The only difference between that Machine and the traditional consoles is that you’re not forced to keep SteamOS on it. But that’s all.

Very disappointing for a “FLAGSHIP” Steam-Machine which actually should provide all main advantages of a Steam-Machine not being a 100% traditional console. Why do they close down that leader Machine by using a proprietary tech solution just like Sony and Microsoft. I wouldn’t have cared if it was a Machine from some of the PC builders, but not the main “flagship” device - that’s ridiculous.

What I’m interested in is what others think about the non-upgradeability of four of the Steam-Machines and especially the “flagship” one:

Is it also an obligatory feature a Steam-Machine should offer for you?

Do you don’t care at all if upgrading is possible or not?

Do you accept the trade-off between the small form factor and using minimized tech solutions?

Is it Ok for you to buy a complete new Steam-Machine after only 3 years just to have a bit performance gain?

Last but not least: If some Valve staff actually read that stuff here, here’s a hint:

Make a second “flagship” Steam-Machine, same design as the Beta-Prototype and fully upgradeable – and you can shut up and take my money J And I would rather give my money to Valve than to CyberpowerPC. I’m from Europe and I don’t know that company, but I’ve been supporting Steam and Valve for years. Please give me the possibility to give YOU my money and not to CyperpowerPC with a fully upgradeable Machine.

Technical Note: Minimized custom printed circuit boards, like in notebooks and tablets, can only be upgraded “theoretically”, but not for a regular end consumer. Reason: the CPU, RAM and graphics solutions are not available for end consumer retail. You have to buy a complete new device if you want other hardware.

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#2 MonsieurX
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Why would we watch your boring youtube video

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#3 Daious
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All of alienware computers have propriety non-sense (Whether its the motherboard connectors or PSU or cables).

I can't ever support their products. I hope the other steam machines can be fully upgradeable.

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#4 Hexagon_777
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You can't upgrade it? IT'S JUST LIKE A REAL CONSOLE THEN.

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#6 HavocV3
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lol, Alienware.

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#7  Edited By WellofTruth
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A TRADISCHUNUL APPROASCH OF DE BSFUUR

Are you by chance related to Arnold Schwarzenegger? GET TO DA SHOPPA NAO!

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#8  Edited By Mystery_Writer
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I'm confused, wasn't it possible to build your own upgradeable hardware and install SteamOS on it?

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#10  Edited By Mystery_Writer
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@SEANMCAD said:

@Mystery_Writer said:

I'm confused, wasn't it possible to build your own upgradeable hardware and install SteamOS on it?

yes...

Then why TC is upset about "upgradeability" of Steam Machine? Or now it's no longer possible to do that?

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#13  Edited By deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Lol at the people here that think "Good Guy Gabe" is trying to move us to linux "because of open source, and freedom of choice" more and more games are becoming steam only, hes making a console....

The ONLY reason Gabe and his company want Linux / Open GL (despite the earlier being bad for average joe consumors.) and the latter being worse than DX and harder to develop for. Its because *** HE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE MICROSOFT A CUT WITH STEAM MACHINES" thats all this entire farce is... doesn't want windows pre-loaded. instead, have a nice butchered down very uncompatible steam linux OS.... where the majority of your gaming library especially any games older than 1-2 years will not work on without major work arounds.

to the TC buying a steam machine... WHY? wtf is the point? so you can save £80 on windows? but lose 90% of your gaming library and an operating system that can do jack s*it in comparison? or at least not without headaches.

The premium cost of these steam machines... much cheaper to get windows.

Its mac/console crap in a nice "HAIL GABEN" cult fiasco... morons.

Why can't we digitally trade games in or to others? when it was "ok" in the EU... valve shut the door on that pretty fast, Greenmangaming allows you to trade in for credit at least.

Lets stop pretending valve are saints. they are trying to monopolize PC gaming as much as possible.

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#15  Edited By Mystery_Writer
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@SEANMCAD said:

is this really that hard to understand?

Evidently it is (to me at least). The "upset" part is what I don't understand.

TC, my advice is to not only ignore the Alienware, but any other pre-built steam machine as well.

Simply build your own. It'll most probably be more cost effective with far greater upgrade flexibility.

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#16  Edited By Riverwolf007
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congrats valve you invented the pc that does not do everything a pc does unless i buy windows.

brilliant.

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#17  Edited By Jankarcop
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wow arnold schwartenegger made a steam machine video? cool!

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#19  Edited By engineer234
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@Jankarcop:

@Jankarcop said:

wow arnold schwartenegger made a steam machine video? cool!

Thanks for the comparison, I love it :)

You know, we German speaking guys might all sound the same in English :)

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#20  Edited By engineer234
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I made a new analysis video on three topics, expect some slides and some complexity:

- Why Valve’s doesn’t need to do the same as Sony and Microsoft

- Valve puts big big effort into this, it’s not only a “Hobby”

- SteamOS base gets big because of Sales and not just by OS switching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRzG1iRGwYY

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#21 lostrib
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this is not the place to spam your shitty youtube videos