For people who don't think Wii is really in the "System Wars"...

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist. 

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Why can't I say that? People will buy what they want, period. Look at the demographic that the Wii is mainly targeting. Including in targeting gamers there are a lot of non-gamers as well that buy the Wii. Those people aren't going to buy PS3's or 360's. You also have to take in account that a $600 machine doesn't appeal to the masses, period.

If the Wii didn't exist things would still pretty much be the same. PS3 expensive with little games and 360 still on its nice steady pace. 

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

BTW PS3 > Michael Vick > Payton Manning > 360 > PSP > DS > Gamecube >Wii :D

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BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

unholymight

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

BTW PS3 > Michael Vick > Payton Manning > 360 > PSP > DS > Gamecube >Wii :D

In reality it's the opening of the Wal-Mart that destorys the convenience store...

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BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

unholymight

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

Yea, excpet it's not that extreme.  There's an exfect on Wal-mart but it is not a very profound.  Wii's presence is having a VERY profound effect on the sales of PS3 and 360. So I don't see where you're coming from.

I disagree mostly. If the Wii didn't exist , the ps2 would see the biggest increase in sales right now.

In reality it's the opening of the Wal-Mart that destorys the convenience store...

I'm not talking about that; I am commenting on the TC's model.

Also, not all convenience stores are destroyed, are they? There's too many of them, and some of them are doing really good :)

All I know is Lebron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KobeCB4McGusto

One has three rings the other has no rings. So no. 

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

Yea, excpet it's not that extreme. There's an exfect on Wal-mart but it is not a very profound. Wii's presence is having a VERY profound effect on the sales of PS3 and 360. So I don't see where you're coming from.

The thing is, you did not mention this 'degree of profoundness' in your post. And also, 'very profound' is not a very good way to describe someting. The term 'very profound' is extremely relative. Therefore, numbers would be nice :)

He also had shaq, give shaq to lebron then you can compare the rings.

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Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

ssbfalco

In reality it's the opening of the Wal-Mart that destorys the convenience store...

[QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

Blackbond

Why can't I say that? People will buy what they want, period. Look at the demographic that the Wii is mainly targeting. Including in targeting gamers there are a lot of non-gamers as well that buy the Wii. Those people aren't going to buy PS3's or 360's. You also have to take in account that a $600 machine doesn't appeal to the masses, period.

If the Wii didn't exist things would still pretty much be the same. PS3 expensive with little games and 360 still on its nice steady pace. 

See this is what I don't get AT ALL.  Cows and Lemmings somehow think that all Wiis sales are just add on to what would normally have been there.  Yes, Wii appeals more to casual gamers but not everyone who buys a Wii is a casual gamer.  And then Cows and Lemmings automatically think that everyone that buys their systems are "hardcore" when there are PLENTY of casual gamers for both system.  As much as Wii?  Of course not. But you guys act like hardcore gamers buy 360s and PS3s, and casuals buy Wiis with no cross over. 

Sorry  ATM Wii is winning, and it's just consistant damage control from everyone else.

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Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

davidwes

In reality it's the opening of the Wal-Mart that destorys the convenience store...

All of this was summarizing a point that I've already pointed out. I said that anything can affect 360/ps3 sales but neither the TC or you used better terms to describe this 'degree of influence' than 'very profound'. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Why can't I say that? People will buy what they want, period. Look at the demographic that the Wii is mainly targeting. Including in targeting gamers there are a lot of non-gamers as well that buy the Wii. Those people aren't going to buy PS3's or 360's. You also have to take in account that a $600 machine doesn't appeal to the masses, period.

If the Wii didn't exist things would still pretty much be the same. PS3 expensive with little games and 360 still on its nice steady pace.

See this is what I don't get AT ALL. Cows and Lemmings somehow think that all Wiis sales are just add on to what would normally have been there. Yes, Wii appeals more to casual gamers but not everyone who buys a Wii is a casual gamer. And then Cows and Lemmings automatically think that everyone that buys their systems are "hardcore" when there are PLENTY of casual gamers for both system. As much as Wii? Of course not. But you guys act like hardcore gamers buy 360s and PS3s, and casuals buy Wiis with no cross over.

Sorry ATM Wii is winning, and it's just consistant damage control from everyone else.

The term damage control is highly shallow and is usually used when the poster does not have anything better to say. Damage control does not say whether the other party is responding with comments that are legitimate or smply making things up. I believe there is a big difference between a legitimate comment and a made-up story.

[QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

unholymight

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

Yea, excpet it's not that extreme. There's an exfect on Wal-mart but it is not a very profound. Wii's presence is having a VERY profound effect on the sales of PS3 and 360. So I don't see where you're coming from.

The thing is, you did not mention this 'degree of profoundness' in your post. And also, 'very profound' is not a very good way to describe someting. The term 'very profound' is extremely relative. Therefore, numbers would be nice :)

You know what I mean.  Your anology doesn't work because if anything Wii is the Wal-mart and PS3 and 360 are the convenience stores, not the other way around.  And Walmart can put a convenience store  out of business. 

So if that perspective you sorta support my point.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

Yea, excpet it's not that extreme. There's an exfect on Wal-mart but it is not a very profound. Wii's presence is having a VERY profound effect on the sales of PS3 and 360. So I don't see where you're coming from.

The thing is, you did not mention this 'degree of profoundness' in your post. And also, 'very profound' is not a very good way to describe someting. The term 'very profound' is extremely relative. Therefore, numbers would be nice :)

You know what I mean. Your anology doesn't work because if anything Wii is the Wal-mart and PS3 and 360 are the convenience stores, not the other way around. And Walmart can put a convenience store out of business.

So if that perspective you sorta support my point.

No, this is actually where we have a difference of understanding.

I do not know what you mean. You should explain what you mean.

Your 'analogy of my anology' also does not work because you seem to have misunderstood it. You see, my analogy was to point out your failure of describing the degree of impact of the influence.

[QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

unholymight

Why can't I say that? People will buy what they want, period. Look at the demographic that the Wii is mainly targeting. Including in targeting gamers there are a lot of non-gamers as well that buy the Wii. Those people aren't going to buy PS3's or 360's. You also have to take in account that a $600 machine doesn't appeal to the masses, period.

If the Wii didn't exist things would still pretty much be the same. PS3 expensive with little games and 360 still on its nice steady pace.

See this is what I don't get AT ALL. Cows and Lemmings somehow think that all Wiis sales are just add on to what would normally have been there. Yes, Wii appeals more to casual gamers but not everyone who buys a Wii is a casual gamer. And then Cows and Lemmings automatically think that everyone that buys their systems are "hardcore" when there are PLENTY of casual gamers for both system. As much as Wii? Of course not. But you guys act like hardcore gamers buy 360s and PS3s, and casuals buy Wiis with no cross over.

Sorry ATM Wii is winning, and it's just consistant damage control from everyone else.

The term damage control is highly shallow and is usually used when the poster does not have anything better to say. Damage control does not say whether the other party is responding with comments that are legitimate or smply making things up. I believe there is a big difference between a legitimate comment and a made-up story.

Okay, your argument is terrible.  You just nit-picking vocabulary to dance around what is being said.  Eventually it's just guna lead to self-ownage.  Or you guna do that one too? Self-ownage not specific enough for ya?

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="NATATO"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="NATATO"]

BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

NATATO

Why can't I say that? People will buy what they want, period. Look at the demographic that the Wii is mainly targeting. Including in targeting gamers there are a lot of non-gamers as well that buy the Wii. Those people aren't going to buy PS3's or 360's. You also have to take in account that a $600 machine doesn't appeal to the masses, period.

If the Wii didn't exist things would still pretty much be the same. PS3 expensive with little games and 360 still on its nice steady pace.

See this is what I don't get AT ALL. Cows and Lemmings somehow think that all Wiis sales are just add on to what would normally have been there. Yes, Wii appeals more to casual gamers but not everyone who buys a Wii is a casual gamer. And then Cows and Lemmings automatically think that everyone that buys their systems are "hardcore" when there are PLENTY of casual gamers for both system. As much as Wii? Of course not. But you guys act like hardcore gamers buy 360s and PS3s, and casuals buy Wiis with no cross over.

Sorry ATM Wii is winning, and it's just consistant damage control from everyone else.

The term damage control is highly shallow and is usually used when the poster does not have anything better to say. Damage control does not say whether the other party is responding with comments that are legitimate or smply making things up. I believe there is a big difference between a legitimate comment and a made-up story.

Okay, your argument is terrible. You just nit-picking vocabulary to dance around what is being said. Eventually it's just guna lead to self-ownage. Or you guna do that one too? Self-ownage not specific enough for ya?

You can't really say that my argument is terrible because it is not actually an argument. Once again, I was just commenting on your failure to sufficiently describe the degree of impact. 

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BOTH PS3 and 360 would be selling better if Wii didn't exist.

You cannot honestly say that both PS3 and 360 would be just the same if Nintendo didn't create the Wii. I'd be just downright ridiculous to think that.

If Wii had no impact on the sales of the other two, then 360 would being rolling in sales because PS3 is doing so terrible.

It doesn't matter who they're trying to appeal to, they are all major video gaming consoles. It's like saying you can't compare Michael Vick to Payton Manning. Although they are two completely different types of QBs, we can still compare them and probably say Payton Manning did better than Michael Vick last year.

People who try to exclude Wii from the competition are just sour about being beat so badly. Period.

unholymight

Not really. Your model is a bit lacking. One can say that by opening a convenience store you are affecting the revenues of Wal-Mart.

BTW PS3 > Michael Vick > Payton Manning > 360 > PSP > DS > Gamecube >Wii :D