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#1 Anthropology
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I recently went onto the Neogaf forums where people were also worrying about the graphics on Halo: Reach prompting Urk (a Bungie.net employee) to say something along the lines of:

The pictures were taken before Thanksgiving and that the latest build made him shed a tear.

So guys, i'm pretty sure we have nothing to worry about!

Link below :)

http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=381359&page=143

The build we used for the current crop of assets was cooked pre-Thanksgiving. Lots of work's been done since then and there's plenty more on the horizon. Wish I could show off the build I was bopping around in today. Soon.

He also writes on the Bungie.net forums and I quote:

Ain't in alpha yet. Coming in hot, though. :)

it's not even in alpha yet, i think i speak for everyone when I say that's pretty damn impressive.

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#2 brennan7777
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

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#3 mitu123
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It's like this for every game: Early screens do not equal final look. Games like Perfect Dark Zero and God of War 3 are perfect examples of this. You would have to be lazy not to improve graphics with all those months.:P

This is still great news though.

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#4 Anthropology
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It's like this for every game: Early screens do not equal final look. Games like Perfect Dark Zero and God of War 3 are perfect examples of this. You would have to be lazy not to improve graphics with all those months.:P

This is still great news though.

mitu123

Haha, yup it is great news - i can't wait and this is by far my most anticipated game this year; here's to bungie pulling it off!

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#5 Blade8Aus
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wow. Didnt know the Xbox 360 was capable of that! lighting is probably the best we've seen on the console (Wolfenstein has pretty good lighting though) although the foliage looks like its from a high end PC game from 2002.

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#6 DragonfireXZ95
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

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His head would explode.
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#7 salxis
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

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Probably got him into a coma and forgot he ever played Crisis
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#8 Spanks113
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Nobody was worried about it's graphics it was just a bunch of fanboys who were trying to bash it. Large battles plus great graphics and superb gameplay owns a scripted corridor shooter any day.
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#9 moistsandwich
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I'm fine if the graphics don't improve upon the screens we've already seen.... I think the screens shown so far look great.

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#10 mitu123
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

brennan7777

True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

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#11 moistsandwich
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[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

mitu123

True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

huh?

oh and giving MGS 4 a 8 is still generous.

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#12 topgunmv
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The course of events for this game are following a similar trajectory as halo3. I'll believe it when I see it.

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[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

mitu123

True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

but doesnt edge tend to lean toward xbox? I mean i dont know i've never seen the magazine thats just what i've heard.

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#14 delta3074
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

brennan7777

True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

but doesnt edge tend to lean toward xbox? I mean i dont know i've never seen the magazine thats just what i've heard.

no ,not at all, but at the same time i will wait until i see the final build of halo reach, it already looks amazing to me, so i am not fussed, if it looks better, then that's just icing on an already scrummy cake for me,lol
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#15 bigboss5ak
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I also thought the same thing because those eb screens looked a lot less detailed than the trailer. I suspect the final build will look like the trailer.
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#16 xionvalkyrie
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The thing is, Bungie has never really excelled in this department.

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#17 gamewhat
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Its almost too late in the game for it to be better looking than what those screens show. Only minor tweeks will be done and nothing else. The game will look good fora huge mapped game, but still suffers from that 360 look....., cartoony, high res textures that look dog poo with the new lighting scheme. I guess the 360 couldn't handle it. A shame really.

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#18 wooooode
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"shed a tear" must mean he is not impressed and going to lose his job. I dont think that is the best answer he could have given but there still is time and judgement will be made when it actually comes out.
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#19 Twin-Blade
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It could look exactly like Halo 3 for all I care. I just hope they don't do something to the gameplay that ruins it. I think they are going to have a class system, which has me worried. I love Halo, especially the multiplayer, please keep the Halo feel. I don't want COD.

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#20 Tessellation
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Its almost too late in the game for it to be better looking than what those screens show. Only minor tweeks will be done and nothing else. The game will look good fora huge mapped game, but still suffers from that 360 look....., cartoony, high res textures that look dog poo with the new lighting scheme. I guess the 360 couldn't handle it. A shame really.

gamewhat
LMAO you talk like you're a game developer and also working on Halo Reach dev team,please back up your claims.
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#21 Panosola
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The game it will look at the end like the trailer.It will not look like U2,because is a open FPS,but it will look a lot better than KZ2.
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#22 Gregoroth
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Original thread here. Anyway, if Halo 3 was anything to go by, planning stages/alpha/beta doesn't matter. In fact, it seemingly had a fair number of downgrades from post beta (in engine launch trailer excluded).

It seems they're playing it safe with Reach so far though. None of the screens and neither the trailer show anything going on. No massive battles or multiple light sources which have been touted features from the GI excerpts. Most screens I've seen show a Spartan staring at the ground or the camera and tbh, I'm disappointed by the basic, flat, plain looking level geometry. Logically, from the evidence we've been given, we can only be impressed by new info.

I'm expecting a higher native resolution judging by the trailer (without any of the AA of course) and some fancier lights and reflections over Halo 3. Hopefully the resolution jump will minimize those disgusting jaggies and by all means, they better push for a stable 30fps. Halo 3's was all over the shop. I'm staying firmly non-hyped in the graphics department until I see some full size direct feed screens or better yet, actual gameplay.

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#23 Spanks113
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The thing is, Bungie has never really excelled in this department.

xionvalkyrie
Are you serious the halo games were amazing last gen. they whoop anything on every other console for back then.
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#24 delta3074
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Its almost too late in the game for it to be better looking than what those screens show. Only minor tweeks will be done and nothing else. The game will look good fora huge mapped game, but still suffers from that 360 look....., cartoony, high res textures that look dog poo with the new lighting scheme. I guess the 360 couldn't handle it. A shame really.

gamewhat
those screenshots where Pre-alpha, the game has a long way to go,alpha then beta then final build, they are going to do a lot more than minor tweaks and judging by the pictures they still need to do a lot of post processing effects, and the 360 can handle it,lol at people pretending they know how to develope games
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#25 Sollet
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Isn't this game launching sometime in autumn, september to be precise? They still have room for improvement yes.
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#26 mayceV
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Original thread here. Anyway, if Halo 3 was anything to go by, planning stages/alpha/beta doesn't matter. In fact, it seemingly had a fair number of downgrades from post beta (in engine launch trailer excluded).

It seems they're playing it safe with Reach so far though. None of the screens and neither the trailer show anything going on. No massive battles or multiple light sources which have been touted features from the GI excerpts. Most screens I've seen show a Spartan staring at the ground or the camera and tbh, I'm disappointed by the basic, flat, plain looking level geometry. Logically, from the evidence we've been given, we can only be impressed by new info.

I'm expecting a higher native resolution judging by the trailer (without any of the AA of course) and some fancier lights and reflections over Halo 3. Hopefully the resolution jump will minimize those disgusting jaggies and by all means, they better push for a stable 30fps. Halo 3's was all over the shop. I'm staying firmly non-hyped in the graphics department until I see some full size direct feed screens or better yet, actual gameplay.

Gregoroth

downgrade from the beta? you serious. do you realize what you just said?

Bungie: hey guys we got this beta working smoothly, lets downgrad the graphics! its perfect, lets do work to make the game look worse!the final build had less jaggies and higher res textures on scenery such as rocks and walls.the character models went unchanged and lighting was upped a little (they reflected of the weapons better).

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#27 2mrw
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B..B..But lemmings already said they don't care about the graphics in yesterday's thread as long as it improves over Halo 3 ??!!!!!!

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#28 PAL360
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B..B..But lemmings already said they don't care about the graphics in yesterday's thread as long as it improves over Halo 3 ??!!!!!!

2mrw

Eveyone cares about graphics. Liking graphics =/= call graphics king to every single game

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#29 13C
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Shed a tear eh. :shock: Guess the graphics are REALLY BAD. :P

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#30 SpiritOfFire117
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Shed a tear eh. :shock: Guess the graphics are REALLY BAD. :P

13C
Or they might look better than expected. Who knows? :|
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#31 Gregoroth
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downgrade from the beta? you serious. do you realize what you just said?

Bungie: hey guys we got this beta working smoothly mayceV


I beg to differ. Halo 3 has always had performance issues. The frame rate is quite erratic.


the final build had less jaggiesmayceV


No. The game always appeared to have zero AA, if we're using the 2007 multiplayer beta as reference. The 640p native resolution was never changed as far as I'm aware. "Pixel counts" were done at the time and at release.


and higher res textures on scenery such as rocks and walls.mayceV



I doubt this was changed. If it was upgraded, it was BARELY noticeable to my eyes. I clearly remember zooming in on rocks on Valhalla and High Ground and the textures were the same as they are now, imo.

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#32 Too_tight_shoes
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It looks no different from Halo 3's non in game pictures... I don't see what all the hype's about not just graphically.
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#33 Gregoroth
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the character models went unchangedmayceV



Master chief had a supposed st*le change. His armour ended up looking dull and flat. Real time visor reflections were removed. I can't remember if multiplayer character models had this or not.


and lighting was upped a little (they reflected of the weapons better).mayceV



What?...


If things like the Assault Rifle hammer action were taken out, then I'm sure there were plenty of other removals too. That's only a minor example though but still supports my point. Hey, at least the water in Valhalla was improved, lol. The claim that the Reach screens were taken around thanksgiving still means at that point, the game would have been in development for 2 years already, if not more. That's most of the work done.

What I'm trying to say is, if you're expecting major graphics changes, I think you'll be disappointed.

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#34 racing1750
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As long as reach look like an improvement from Halo 3 then consider me satisfied :)
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#35 JediRiff
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Worried? I'm not worried at all! I think they will be awesome, tbh.
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#36 devilsoultaker2
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i think cows are the only ones who's worried
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#37 Funconsole
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

brennan7777
I'm pretty sure I would shed a tear for how awesome a game is that I worked on instead of a different game made by another developer
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#38 Salt_The_Fries
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

brennan7777

True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

but doesnt edge tend to lean toward xbox? I mean i dont know i've never seen the magazine thats just what i've heard.

They gave LBP 10, I think.
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#39 waynehead895
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I have nothing to worry about since I don't work for MS or Bungie. Based on what's been shown so far I haven't been disappointed. I don't pay attention to fanboys so really what else do I have to worry about?
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#40 Zero5000X
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The thing is, Bungie has never really excelled in this department.

xionvalkyrie
Umm what?
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#41 inertk
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This is *exactly* the same as Halo 3. Treading the same path. Gregoroth has it right, btw Greg, do you know King Albar?
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#42 vistamanV5
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Its almost too late in the game for it to be better looking than what those screens show. Only minor tweeks will be done and nothing else. The game will look good fora huge mapped game, but still suffers from that 360 look....., cartoony, high res textures that look dog poo with the new lighting scheme. I guess the 360 couldn't handle it. A shame really.

gamewhat
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...
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#43 AAllxxjjnn
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Yeh, there's always some new build that console gamers think is going to make their game look so much better.
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#44 shabab12
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The game it will look at the end like the trailer.It will not look like U2,because is a open FPS,but it will look a lot better than KZ2.Panosola
Eveytime i see your sig i know im in for a laugh. your blatant 360 fanboyism is funny.
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#45 WithoutGraceXII
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tbh they could release a game that looks identical with halo 3 graphics and I would be happy. the visuals have always been more than adequate, I want to see some new gameplay ideas take center stage in this game.
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#46 shabab12
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[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] True, but even Edge was impressed with the graphics from what they have played, Edge! Some of the most harsh reviewers out there, they gave Metal Gear Solid 4 a 8 for piece sakes.

Salt_The_Fries

but doesnt edge tend to lean toward xbox? I mean i dont know i've never seen the magazine thats just what i've heard.

They gave LBP 10, I think.

Edge are the worst.
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#47 rolo107
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Shed a tear huh? I wanna see this guy when he plays Crysis.

brennan7777
Obviously it's because it's a game he is contributing to, a creation of their own and in the Halo universe. Clearly that is reason for him to be excited, since it's their game.
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#48 mitu123
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The thing is, Bungie has never really excelled in this department.

xionvalkyrie

I guess you haven't played Halo 1 and Halo 2 when they 1st came out?

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#49 delta3074
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[QUOTE="xionvalkyrie"]

The thing is, Bungie has never really excelled in this department.

mitu123

I guess you haven't played Halo 1 and Halo 2 when they 1st came out?

obviously not, the xbox was a powerhouse, raw power, it could run doom 3 on reasonable settings, and look at chronicles of riddick, and halo 2 was easily up there with them in visuals and graphics, storyline wasn't as good as CE, and i am one of the people that didn't like playing as the arbiter,CE looked awesome when it came out,but it dated quickly in the graphics dept
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#50 scarface_dm
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In my opinion the screens already looked good, Cant wait to see how it will look later :)