For What its Worth: Cartridges

I kinda wish we could go back to them(outrageous prices notwithstanding).

They eliminated load times for the most part, were terrible for video compression, so they forced developers to render using in-game graphics alone, and damn if they weren't hella durable.

Disk read errors(wtfis that?).

The only aspect of worth to the cd imo, is the cheapness of it. Aside from that, cartridges were a godsend.

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

meeemoooriieees.... *sigh* as much as I love cartridges the games industry needs to move forward not back, no current gen game will be possible on cartridges unless you heavily change the game and lose all the txtures, lighting etc etc. Anyway Blu-ray is where its at :D the disks are strong and durable plus they never get scratched and developers have enough space to create bigger games or much more content.Swift_Boss_A

Shame sony dont see it like that and are dropping Blu-ray for Digital Distribution.

Flash memory could become a viable alternative when it becomes cheaper and with more capacity.

But I am not bothered by the rather small load times we currently have.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]meeemoooriieees.... *sigh* as much as I love cartridges the games industry needs to move forward not back, no current gen game will be possible on cartridges unless you heavily change the game and lose all the txtures, lighting etc etc. Anyway Blu-ray is where its at :D the disks are strong and durable plus they never get scratched and developers have enough space to create bigger games or much more content.Dibdibdobdobo

Shame sony dont see it like that and are dropping Blu-ray for Digital Distribution.

link or false.

DD is still a way off and has many disadvantages. If DD does become standard for games than expect never to get a full game from the start, you will get it in episodic content which you would probably to still have to pay for. I much prefer hard copy over DD any day and am sure many gamers do also.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]meeemoooriieees.... *sigh* as much as I love cartridges the games industry needs to move forward not back, no current gen game will be possible on cartridges unless you heavily change the game and lose all the txtures, lighting etc etc. Anyway Blu-ray is where its at :D the disks are strong and durable plus they never get scratched and developers have enough space to create bigger games or much more content.Swift_Boss_A

Shame sony dont see it like that and are dropping Blu-ray for Digital Distribution.

link or false.

DD is still a way off and has many disadvantages. If DD does become standard for games than expect never to get a full game from the start, you will get it in episodic content which you would probably to still have to pay for. I much prefer hard copy over DD any day and am sure many gamers do also.

I think Dib is trying to use Sony's planned video store as more than it is. Its an added feature, not Sony dropping Blu-Ray by any means, as DD cannot compete with Blu-Ray ATM in overall quality.

I kinda wish we could go back to them(outrageous prices notwithstanding).

They eliminated load times for the most part, were terrible for video compression, so they forced developers to render using in-game graphics alone, and damn if they weren't hella durable.

Disk read errors(wtfis that?).

The only aspect of worth to the cd imo, is the cheapness of it. Aside from that, cartridges were a godsend.

Seraphimon

I still remember having to blow into my Duck Hunt cartridge. Ahhhhh the good ol days.

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

XaosII

Flash memory could become a viable alternative when it becomes cheaper and with more capacity.

But I am not bothered by the rather small load times we currently have.

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

JLF1

Similar in concept. Vastly different in use.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Flash memory could become a viable alternative when it becomes cheaper and with more capacity.

But I am not bothered by the rather small load times we currently have.

Sooshy

True, there are also solid state HDDs that could become a functional alternative, but until manufacturing and parts become much cheaper, discs are the cost effective way to go.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

JLF1

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

Sooshy

Not really. Cartridges like the ones in older game systems are ROM cartridges. They saved using an internal battery, of which, I think Zelda was the first.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

Sooshy

carts were ROM memory.. flash is a rewritable technology. very different.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]meeemoooriieees.... *sigh* as much as I love cartridges the games industry needs to move forward not back, no current gen game will be possible on cartridges unless you heavily change the game and lose all the txtures, lighting etc etc. Anyway Blu-ray is where its at :D the disks are strong and durable plus they never get scratched and developers have enough space to create bigger games or much more content.SpruceCaboose

Shame sony dont see it like that and are dropping Blu-ray for Digital Distribution.

link or false.

DD is still a way off and has many disadvantages. If DD does become standard for games than expect never to get a full game from the start, you will get it in episodic content which you would probably to still have to pay for. I much prefer hard copy over DD any day and am sure many gamers do also.

I think Dib is trying to use Sony's planned video store as more than it is. Its an added feature, not Sony dropping Blu-Ray by any means, as DD cannot compete with Blu-Ray ATM in overall quality.

Sony dont stick to any given format. PSX = CD, PS2 = DVD, PS3 = Blu Ray, PS4 = ?! I can honestly see Sony moving towards DD by the time the PS4 is out! This is on the assumption that the PS3 meets sony's assumption of lasting 10 years! Intenet speeds have vastly improved since i owned my 1st PC from 56k Dial-up to my current connection of 8MB which in several years will be inferior just like 56k Dial up is now.

I hope to god i'm wrong and that Sony do not attempt to force this upon us! I love owning my games and i love trading in my old games for new games or cash but if DD becomes the next format then were all screwed.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

We're not gonna go back. They are too expensive to manufacture.

In the future most games will either be on Flash memory or entirely done through digital distribution. Flash memory may have some loading time, but it will be far less than what discs have.

comp_atkins

carts were ROM memory.. flash is a rewritable technology. very different.

Don't miss them at all. Lower prices is more than enough for me.jack_russel

with current prices no. i dont cherish the idea of paying around 200 quid for a game due to its massive cart size + paying for the game itself.

from a technical standpoint they are superior accross the board. they can hold a hell of alot of storage and there much faster then any cd based tech (HDDs are generally faster than flash memory). but even a 10GB capacity memory module would make the cost of games massive.

personally i think the manufacturers should either be looking at a disc based game format (lets face it: CD, dvd and blu-ray are for movies and are designed for movies. no drive this gen in the PS3 or 360 has shown that its up to the job of meeting the demands of new games.) or ensure that HDDs are standard in all consoles for caching (and have a fast drive to work with it...none of that panzy 2X slow crap). or move to DD.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Don't miss them at all. Lower prices is more than enough for me.Sooshy

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]meeemoooriieees.... *sigh* as much as I love cartridges the games industry needs to move forward not back, no current gen game will be possible on cartridges unless you heavily change the game and lose all the txtures, lighting etc etc. Anyway Blu-ray is where its at :D the disks are strong and durable plus they never get scratched and developers have enough space to create bigger games or much more content.Dibdibdobdobo

Shame sony dont see it like that and are dropping Blu-ray for Digital Distribution.

link or false.

DD is still a way off and has many disadvantages. If DD does become standard for games than expect never to get a full game from the start, you will get it in episodic content which you would probably to still have to pay for. I much prefer hard copy over DD any day and am sure many gamers do also.

I think Dib is trying to use Sony's planned video store as more than it is. Its an added feature, not Sony dropping Blu-Ray by any means, as DD cannot compete with Blu-Ray ATM in overall quality.

Sony dont stick to any given format. PSX = CD, PS2 = DVD, PS3 = Blu Ray, PS4 = ?! I can honestly see Sony moving towards DD by the time the PS4 is out! This is on the assumption that the PS3 meets sony's assumption of lasting 10 years! Intenet speeds have vastly improved since i owned my 1st PC from 56k Dial-up to my current connection of 8MB which in several years will be inferior just like 56k Dial up is now.

I hope to god i'm wrong and that Sony do not attempt to force this upon us! I love owning my games and i love trading in my old games for new games or cash but if DD becomes the next format then were all screwed.

DD is not currently possible for most of the world. Not everyone can get an 8MB connection like you can. Until internet providers can provide a stable connection for everyone, don't expect DD to take off. I believe Blu-ray is here to stay for at another 3-5 years.