Forza 2 Demo Rating: ??

I give it an 8/10 with its biggest feature being there are at least 25 cars to choose from (3 classes) but to be honest...the detail of the cars is not impressive at all.  The sky looks amazing, but the road, track backgrounds, and scenary look like a cartoony video game and not "photorealistic" as the game is advertising.

I would venture to say that the cars in PGR3 garage look better than the cars on Forza 2 even though it is coming out 2 years after PGR3 and of course the best graphics and closest thing to photorealism I have seen come from Gran Turismo HD...no comparison.

The handling felt decent.  I still say GT feels the best.  I know its only a demo and doesn't represent the finished product, but from what I have seen from every demo I have downloaded (over 30) and then bought the game...there isn't a significant difference in polish or graphics.

I just hope that the level of customization Forza 2 will offer and the fact that you can take your customized car and race with it (no other racing sim does that!) will counter the fact that it is not a visually stunning game.

I give it an 8/10 with its biggest feature being there are at least 25 cars to choose from (3 classes) but to be honest...the detail of the cars is not impressive at all.  The sky looks amazing, but the road, track backgrounds, and scenary look like a cartoony video game and not "photorealistic" as the game is advertising.

I would venture to say that the cars in PGR3 garage look better than the cars on Forza 2 even though it is coming out 2 years after PGR3 and of course the best graphics and closest thing to photorealism I have seen come from Gran Turismo HD...no comparison.

The handling felt decent.  I still say GT feels the best.  I know its only a demo and doesn't represent the finished product, but from what I have seen from every demo I have downloaded (over 30) and then bought the game...there isn't a significant difference in polish or graphics.

I just hope that the level of customization Forza 2 will offer and the fact that you can take your customized car and race with it (no other racing sim does that!) will counter the fact that it is not a visually stunning game.

lawsonboy

After watching the videos from gametrailers I thought the exact same thing, the visuals are a big dissapointment considering they dont look real but cartoonish.

it is not a visually stunning game.

lawsonboy

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

 Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

I would give it a 11/10 becuase its already better than any Gran Turismo game ever to have come out (in final or beta form), and the game is an amazing testament to mankind.  Its crazy that humans can build a world so lifelike that the participants actually FEEL like theyre driving a real car, unlike with the GT games where the participants knew they were playing a 3rd rate driving game.

[QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

 Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

[QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

SupraGT

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

 Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

ok he never said it wasnt better than others he just said it was  far from realistic which it is. I mean if you crash any car at 170 MPH there is no possible way a car can drive away from that.

now back to the demo it was made about 3 months ago it just got caught up in MS certification so the final game will look and feel much better...side note the audio sounds great 

[QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

FUBAR24

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

ok he never said it wasnt better than others he just said it was  far from realistic which it is. I mean if you crash any car at 170 MPH there is no possible way a car can drive away from that.

now back to the demo it was made about 3 months ago it just got caught up in MS certification so the final game will look and feel much better...side note the audio sounds great 

The damage doesn't effect the car in the demo, it's only cosmetic... So OBVIOUSLY it's far from realistic because the damage doesn't do anything in the demo.

DUHHHH!

I agree with just about everything you said. Yet you didn't mention the damagae modeling which I thought was great, and the fact that the tires will wear down while you go through a race if you drift or skid on them to much. Your car will overheat and breakdown. It's a lot more realistc than GT and PGR have gotten yet. And I have to say that I felt the handling was better in Forza than GT(I have played GT:HD), it just felt more realistic to me. Overall, I'd give it a 9 on gameplay, but overall as a demo I'd give it an 8 or 8.5.O_Lineman17

yes forgot that and that is very impressive over GT's bumber car physics.

[QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

 Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

 I played it on a 65" 1080i HDTV.  Pop in PGR3 and take a stroll into the garage to look at the cars!  That is photorealistic.  Yes the damage is impressive (I forgot to mention that) but for a game that is coming out 2 years after PGR3...I expected better everything, especially graphics.  Didn't happen for me.

the damage modeling is far from realisticSupraGT

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

ok he never said it wasnt better than others he just said it was far from realistic which it is. I mean if you crash any car at 170 MPH there is no possible way a car can drive away from that.

now back to the demo it was made about 3 months ago it just got caught up in MS certification so the final game will look and feel much better...side note the audio sounds great

The damage doesn't effect the car in the demo, it's only cosmetic... So OBVIOUSLY it's far from realistic because the damage doesn't do anything in the demo.

DUHHHH!

yes but even with the damage set to sim you could still crash into a wall and still drive around.you could do that with the original forza. go ahead turn simulation damage on and then crash a car into a wall doing about 200 and you will still drive away .you wont be going very fast or strait but you will still be able to move.same thing in Forza 2 nomatter how hard you crash you will still be able to drive away

im not bashing the game i love forza as much as the next guy. im just saying its not as realistic as you might think 

[QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

lawsonboy

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

I played it on a 65" 1080i HDTV. Pop in PGR3 and take a stroll into the garage to look at the cars! That is photorealistic. Yes the damage is impressive (I forgot to mention that) but for a game that is coming out 2 years after PGR3...I expected better everything, especially graphics. Didn't happen for me.

the demo was made 3 months ago in 2 days what do you expect 

[QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

FUBAR24

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

ok he never said it wasnt better than others he just said it was far from realistic which it is. I mean if you crash any car at 170 MPH there is no possible way a car can drive away from that.

now back to the demo it was made about 3 months ago it just got caught up in MS certification so the final game will look and feel much better...side note the audio sounds great

The damage doesn't effect the car in the demo, it's only cosmetic... So OBVIOUSLY it's far from realistic because the damage doesn't do anything in the demo.

DUHHHH!

yes but even with the damage set to sim you could still crash into a wall and still drive around.you could do that with the original forza. go ahead turn simulation damage on and then crash a car into a wall doing about 200 and you will still drive away .you wont be going very fast or strait but you will still be able to move.same thing in Forza 2 nomatter how hard you crash you will still be able to drive away

im not bashing the game i love forza as much as the next guy. im just saying its not as realistic as you might think 

Did you even play the Forza 2 demo? You can't even put simulation damage ON in the demo!!!

"You can have the car damage be purely cosmetic, or set it to simulation mode and have every bit of damage affect how your car handles. In that case be careful, one bad crash and the race is over for you." Gamespy

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/forza-motorsport-2/784830p1.html

FORZA 1 is not FORZA 2. Stop making these false claims about the game.

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="CPM_basic"][QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

the damage modeling is far from realistic

Name me a game with better damage modeling then. That's right there is none. Don't mention GTR2 I have it for pc it's not as good.

ok he never said it wasnt better than others he just said it was far from realistic which it is. I mean if you crash any car at 170 MPH there is no possible way a car can drive away from that.

now back to the demo it was made about 3 months ago it just got caught up in MS certification so the final game will look and feel much better...side note the audio sounds great

The damage doesn't effect the car in the demo, it's only cosmetic... So OBVIOUSLY it's far from realistic because the damage doesn't do anything in the demo.

DUHHHH!

yes but even with the damage set to sim you could still crash into a wall and still drive around.you could do that with the original forza. go ahead turn simulation damage on and then crash a car into a wall doing about 200 and you will still drive away .you wont be going very fast or strait but you will still be able to move.same thing in Forza 2 nomatter how hard you crash you will still be able to drive away

im not bashing the game i love forza as much as the next guy. im just saying its not as realistic as you might think

Did you even play the Forza 2 demo? You can't even put simulation damage ON in the demo!!!

"You can have the car damage be purely cosmetic, or set it to simulation mode and have every bit of damage affect how your car handles. In that case be careful, one bad crash and the race is over for you." Gamespy

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/forza-motorsport-2/784830p1.html

FORZA 1 is not FORZA 2. Stop making these false claims about the game.

are you stupid...its not realistic damage.even in sim mode che said it himself it isnt fully realistic. the forza 1 and 2 damage modeling are similar in that fact. i mean what fun would it be if you crashed your car to many times and it just wouldnt drive any more.i mean sure they are correct in the fact that the race is over but what they mean is its over in competitiveness.your steering and engine get so screwed up that its slow and it turns to the left without moving the stick. but you cant total the car to the point where the race just ends and you get a DNF 

The gameplay is great, This is a demo so of course is missing key components like full damage on the cars and alot of other things i presume, The graphics are fine their not eye candy fine but they hold up well, I belive this is a 3 month old build of Forza 2 and im led to belive that with f2 as with the original Forza most of the polishing of the graphics get done later, Also we have seen one track, Everything looks smooth except for a coulpe of cars that have a few clipping problems which im sure they have fixed it up when its gone gold, The one track dosent look graphicaly impressive because its not really meant to, Its a field with trees around it and a few grandstands, Wait until were driving through tracks with a few more bulidigs, Also i think lighting will be really improved before release, But anyways Forza 2 has the gameplay and as long as it dosent actually have any problems eg. clipping of the cars which totally makes it less of a joy to play it no matter who you are.

One thing i forgot top say, Forza 2 has good car models, They look like their real life counter parts with are cartoonish side but with damage in mind it wasnt really viable to have them to look like Gt Hd cars which imo look like real cars but they show their last gen side as well imo, Anyways 60fps and 1080p ftw and it feels so smooth when driving with the Ms wheel.

Ohhhh yeah, I forgot to add, One english magazine has already reviewed it and gave it a 10, I got the mag and its oxm oz and i forgot what exactly they say but they say its pure awsomeness, I dont know if they reviewd the full version or a near finished build but i belive the latter but it must of been most of the game anyways.

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

1 word telemeteryMedjai

yeah, i found it interesting that it shows what kind of stresses your car goes through.

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

SupraGT

[QUOTE="Medjai"]1 word telemeterySupraGT

yeah, i found it interesting that it shows what kind of stresses your car goes through.

the first had that 2 as well as good physics way better than GT4 bumber car phyics every race would have cars bouncing around 

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

pundog

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

SupraGT

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

pundog

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

no, it had bad physics so therefore it wasn't fun. I take it that you have never played GT4 w/ a DFP. Forza doesnt even come close to it.

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

SupraGT

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

no, it had bad physics so therefore it wasn't fun. I take it that you have never played GT4 w/ a DFP. Forza doesnt even come close to it.

Yeah I don't even know what a DFP is. I played GT4 with a standard dualshock though and it sucked it hard compared to Forza.pundog

Driving Force Pro.  And if you haven't played GT4 without using any driving force steering wheel, then you haven't played GT4 the way it was meant to be.  The first forza game didn't even have force feedback, so I don't understand how people can say it is better if the game was only designed for a controller...some simulator game that makes.  At least Forza 2 is supposed to support force feedback.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

pundog

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

no, it had bad physics so therefore it wasn't fun. I take it that you have never played GT4 w/ a DFP. Forza doesnt even come close to it.

then you are missing out.

DFP is a steering wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72yyvNAU8Bg

the first forza didnt even support force feedback

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

at least the physics are actually good in this one apart from the horrid ones in the first. yeah, the AI was kind of generic. Hopefully they dont show the same character in all the races.

SupraGT

the only thing it had better than GT were collision physics. that's about it.
the first forza didnt have correct weight trasfer, sebring, clunky braking etc. the list goes on.

Im actually having fun w/ F2 as I do w/ GT4 and the DFP.

no, it had bad physics so therefore it wasn't fun. I take it that you have never played GT4 w/ a DFP. Forza doesnt even come close to it.

then you are missing out.

DFP is a steering wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72yyvNAU8Bg

the first forza didnt even support force feedback

Im not a fan of racing sims but I really enjoyed this demo. I took the 911 out for a spin and it was a fun experience. I will admit the graphics are cool/accepatable but not drop dead spectacular (yes I have a HD tv!!) but the gameplay and detailed features I have seen (and this is just a demo) made me want this game. I dont know if Im ready to buy that damn $149 MS racing wheel, but Im still tempted to support this game.

Game On.... 

I agree with just about everything you said. Yet you didn't mention the damagae modeling which I thought was great, and the fact that the tires will wear down while you go through a race if you drift or skid on them to much. Your car will overheat and breakdown. It's a lot more realistc than GT and PGR have gotten yet. And I have to say that I felt the handling was better in Forza than GT(I have played GT:HD), it just felt more realistic to me. Overall, I'd give it a 9 on gameplay, but overall as a demo I'd give it an 8 or 8.5.O_Lineman17

Damage is garbage.  Get your head over it because it's just a gimmick. 

[QUOTE="O_Lineman17"]I agree with just about everything you said. Yet you didn't mention the damagae modeling which I thought was great, and the fact that the tires will wear down while you go through a race if you drift or skid on them to much. Your car will overheat and breakdown. It's a lot more realistc than GT and PGR have gotten yet. And I have to say that I felt the handling was better in Forza than GT(I have played GT:HD), it just felt more realistic to me. Overall, I'd give it a 9 on gameplay, but overall as a demo I'd give it an 8 or 8.5.NobuoMusicMaker

Damage is garbage. Get your head over it because it's just a gimmick.

You are right, car damage is garbage, fatigue in sports games is garbage, weather conditons are garbage...ALL GAMING FEATURES ARE GIMMICKS!!! Now I see the light!!! Thank ya kindly

/sarcasm

Game On... 

[QUOTE="lawsonboy"]

it is not a visually stunning game.

CPM_basic

Forza 2's graphics are insane. The damage is so friggen realistic when you smack into the back of a porsche with your sub on it's like you hit a real porsche. You must not be playing on an HDTV because Forza 2 looks better in many ways compared to pgr3. First of all the cars look more realistic than pgr3, the physics of the cars are much more realistic, the damage is much more realistic. I drive in first person view and when I'm behind the mercedes benz slr I can actually see the little dimples in the rear lights... You must not be playing on an HDTV because this game look great. But it's not only the graphics that make this game great, the way the car's react to you is realistic. They will actually race like real people would, not like GT where they are confined to a pre-determined race path. The engine sounds are by far the best I've ever heard in a racing game (the bmw sounds like a bmw and a dodge viper sounds liek a dodge viper). The track marks left on the track are very detailed and the foliage, environments, people just standing around the track... everything just looks great.

 Wait and see this game will score at least 9.5.

Agreed. Some people are definately not playing on an hdtv. Case in point. I was using the maserati and decided to "screw around" I started to back my car up the hill, the ferrari evaded me, but I managed to clip the front end of the porsche which not only caused the entire front end of the porsche to get ripped off, but the porsce careened out of control, spun out in the grass and plowed into the retaining wall. The impact caused me to get flung back into traffic where I then got t boned by the last car. I swear to god those collisions sounded like an actual accident. I have a 7.1 surround sound home theatre system and it scared the **** out of me.

The graphics are not bad at all, I dont know what the hell everyone is talking about the game looks very good and will be polished at release. The physics are like..... WHOA.  :shock:

Damage is garbage.  Get your head over it because it's just a gimmick. 

NobuoMusicMaker

And rumble is last gen......  :shock:

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

[QUOTE="O_Lineman17"]I agree with just about everything you said. Yet you didn't mention the damagae modeling which I thought was great, and the fact that the tires will wear down while you go through a race if you drift or skid on them to much. Your car will overheat and breakdown. It's a lot more realistc than GT and PGR have gotten yet. And I have to say that I felt the handling was better in Forza than GT(I have played GT:HD), it just felt more realistic to me. Overall, I'd give it a 9 on gameplay, but overall as a demo I'd give it an 8 or 8.5.FatalDomain

Damage is garbage. Get your head over it because it's just a gimmick.

You are right, car damage is garbage, fatigue in sports games is garbage, weather conditons are garbage...ALL GAMING FEATURES ARE GIMMICKS!!! Now I see the light!!! Thank ya kindly

/sarcasm

Game On...

and god said...Let there be ownage