forza 3 developer vs gt5 developer facts.......

All I see is a wall of text.

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Sir_Lawl

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

jakarai

So I supposed you'd apply this logic to the hardware too. Am I right?

cool story bro

[QUOTE="jakarai"]

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Tragic_Kingdom7

So I supposed you'd apply this logic to the hardware too. Am I right?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="jakarai"] Gran Turismo series has sold over 50 million units Forza is not even close. Real Cusotmers > Game reviewers.

jakarai

So I supposed you'd apply this logic to the hardware too. Am I right?

How conveninent.

Anyway, I suppose you'd apply this logic to the hardware/softwarte battle between MS and Sony. Am I right?

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

jakarai

You must enjoy playing your 50 million sales.

Probably better than the game itself.

All I see is a wall of text.

Panther501

well first of all i have to clear something that (( i am not a fanboy at all..... and nither noth sony or ms own me.... )) so hopefuly my p.o.v will be fair enough ang give the credit to whom who deserve it based on true facts 1st: i have to admit that gt since it began and we saw it in the market it was always difrenet and unique in it's visuals and in it's gameplay to and i really watched carefully all the main 3 conferences ms.sony and nintendo and reach to these facts in interview with ms marketing manger said that they wanted to make the absolute car simulating game cause the they knew that the other company wich is ( sony ) one of the main reasons people will go to buy thire consoles is gt5 so they want to fill this " gab " by making that game wich is forza 3 and also exclusive to xbox as gt5 to sony so they could compete at that point with sony. 2nd : devolopers of pd taking notes on forza3 dosen't make them less at all cause u know what? forza devolopers are always taking all the notes and marks from gt in there hidden lab (not in puplic) in order to try to compete them cause simply ms asked them to try to do something as good as gt5 on xbox360 so they put it in their mind and their consideration and it was their target ..... and i really see nothing wrong in this cause simply polyphony was pioneer in that field and every good devoloper will learn something or tow from them . ( and that's why forza 3 took a huge step to be a good competitor and it's healthy..... 3: pd when they went to try forza 3 and took that notes it was in puplic cause they simply knew that ms told forza developers the point i mentioned before so they wanna know exactly how far forza 3 devolopers reached in achiving that goal (that i mentioned before ) and i know that mr Kazunori Yamauchi (the father of gt series) is a really pioneer developer in taking racing game to start the new era of '' photo realisem ' 'befor any other game could raech, (and by the way if u follow his latests inventions this guy invented a new system for nissan company made specifically for nissan gt-r called '' multifunction meter '' to be the 1st ever made system in car's industry !! and here is the links if u like to check it out http://www.gameculture.com/node/654 http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/news/d1382.html so this guy is not only '' a '' game devolper ihe is something much more than that he helped nissan engineers to take the best advantage performance out of their car on the real life road!! so simply this guy know excatly what he is doing he is not only an ordinary '' good game developer developing a good simulation game '' he is a visonary to build new ways and bridges between the computer programing technology he have and his vison to make a unique super car experince and to get over the borders between simulation and real life driving experince..... he also develop new things for cars in real life to make it preform much better on the road!! and there are alot of big car companies like vw and others thanked this guy for helping them to promote and show their cars in his gt series that helped them in their promotions and sales and made the people know much more about the real experince for riding their cars!! one thing more this guy owns 3 gt super cars in his own garage that he daily ride and test to help him reach to a better understanding of what is '' the riding simulation car experince '' should be like!! and that simply explaind the surprising look in the forza3 developer's eyes when they saw the polophony digital team deveolpers came to chick their game cause they really know how much big Kazunori Yamauchi and his team are and simply that what makes from this '' a hot '' news to the press to write about ( pls note that this is a p.o.v of a big car racing sport fan an it has nothing to do with ps3 or xbox360 competation it's about the developer and not the platform and i am only giving the credits that each one should deserve and i am not trying to make the forza 3 devoloper look much less it's just i am sticking to the real world facts tha's all )...thankssahra_man

Your logic is ridiculous. You actually think the PD dudes are simply checking out Forza to see if they reached Gran Turismo status? From what I've seen, they reached GT status a long time ago. The truth is that the PD folks were checking out Forza because they want to make their own series more dynamic. Just because GT is the "pioneer" series doesn't mean that Forza didn't surpass it in many areas.

[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

So I supposed you'd apply this logic to the hardware too. Am I right?

How conveninent.

Anyway, I suppose you'd apply this logic to the hardware battle between MS and Sony. Am I right?

We can't judge the games yet so this thread is pointless.

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Sir_Lawl

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Silenthps

I think it's safe to say that both series are roughly AAA.

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Silenthps

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that every GT game is AAA like Forza.

Oh wait, it isn't :D

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Sir_Lawl

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that every GT game is AAA like Forza.

Oh wait, it isn't :D

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="jakarai"] Gran Turismo series has sold over 50 million units Forza is not even close. Real Cusotmers > Game reviewers.

jakarai

So I supposed you'd apply this logic to the hardware too. Am I right?

Double Standards FTW?

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] um, which Forza game got a 9.6 like GT3 did? Silenthps

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that every GT game is AAA like Forza.

Oh wait, it isn't :D

Do you mean the whole series averaged together? Because you'd be wrong if you mean that GT4 has a better average than the Forza games.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that every GT game is AAA like Forza.

Oh wait, it isn't :D

Tragic_Kingdom7

Do you mean the whole series averaged together? Because you'd be wrong if you mean that GT4 has a better average than the Forza games.

Forza 2 is a whole 0.18% higher than GT4 on GR. It's almost enough to talk about.

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] well on gamerankings/metacritic it is. cept gt4 has an 89 but it still averages out better than forzas. JLF1

Do you mean the whole series averaged together? Because you'd be wrong if you mean that GT4 has a better average than the Forza games.

Forza 2 is a whole 0.18% higher than GT4 on GR. It's almost enough to talk about.

So? 0.18 higher is still higher.

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Sir_Lawl

You do know GT1 on average was 96 on metacritic

GT2 was 93 on Metacritic

GT3 on 95 on Metacritic

GT4 is 89 on Metacritic

where as Forza is

Forza 1 has 92

Forza 2 has 90

come back when you least check out the scores would you even by reviewers GT is much more highly rated and im sure GT1 is one of those very few games Edge gave a 10/10 to

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

Silenthps

But the GT fans talk about how much better the GT series is, so you'd think they could come up with something better than "it's a pioneer" arguments. That weaksauce no matter how you slice it.

So? 0.18 higher is still higher.

Tragic_Kingdom7

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

razgriz_101

You do know GT1 on average was 96 on metacritic

GT2 was 93 on Metacritic

GT3 on 95 on Metacritic

GT4 is 89 on Metacritic

where as Forza is

Forza 1 has 92

Forza 2 has 90

come back when you least check out the scores would you even by reviewers GT is much more highly rated and im sure GT1 is one of those very few games Edge gave a 10/10 to

What's this? Didn't PS3 fanboys promise to use only Gamespot scores after Movie gear solid 4 scored a 10?

I'm annoyed that Microsoft and Sony centered their E3 battle this year around a genre that nobody cares about. Motorstorm is far more interesting than either of these at any rate.OrwellJames

LOL. Both of these games have tons of hype. You/=/everybody.

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

That is because we have yet to see everything that GT5 has or will have when it's released.

GT fans can't list features they don't know about yet.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

So? 0.18 higher is still higher.

JLF1

I wasn't arguing which is the better game or which one won. I'm simply saying that if the guy I responded to is saying that GT4 had a better average than the two Forza games, he's wrong. That's all I was saying.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

Tragic_Kingdom7

But the GT fans talk about how much better the GT series is, so you'd think they could come up with something better than "it's a pioneer" arguments. That weaksauce no matter how you slice it.

i can come out with an enjoyable game, for the time GT4 was much further in depth than any other game on the market at its launch remember it was before Forza 1, also i generally enjoy the gameplay of GT and have done since GT1 also theres a good selection of tracks and cars also some of Polyphony's own courses are just brilliant imo like Grand valley.

Tbh as a GT fan its a game with a lot of depth , GT3 took me 6 months to complete it fully and get all the cars.But im gonna say i think its better because i gained more enjoyment from it over Forza the only thing Forza had going for it for me was the fact it had Ferrari's xD but thats not really a point now.

What's this? Didn't PS3 fanboys promise to use only Gamespot scores after Movie gear solid 4 scored a 10?

Sir_Lawl

Yes they have and sense then all 360 fans have been trying to use GR instead.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Getting away from the score/sales points, one thing that convinces me that Forza might be better (I wouldn't know as I haven't spent a huge time with either series) is that Forza fans will always explain why they think Forza is better, they'll provide a laundy list of features and reasons, etc. whereas Gran Turismo fans rarely explain why GT is the better racing series. They'll just say something vague or talk about how much of a pioneer it is.

JLF1

That is because we have yet to see everything that GT5 has or will have when it's released.

GT fans can't list features they don't know about yet.

I'm not talking about the GT5 .vs. Forza3 battle. I'm talking about the comparisons over the all ready released games in each series. The GT fans that say the released GT games are better than the released Forza games generally never have a good explanation.

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

jakarai

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] maybe because the last real gt game came before the first 2 forza games so all they can ever talk about is pioneering? considering the fact that forza 1 was done on a system 3x powerful as gt4... of course u'd expect a laundry list of better features :|razgriz_101

But the GT fans talk about how much better the GT series is, so you'd think they could come up with something better than "it's a pioneer" arguments. That weaksauce no matter how you slice it.

i can come out with an enjoyable game, for the time GT4 was much further in depth than any other game on the market at its launch remember it was before Forza 1, also i generally enjoy the gameplay of GT and have done since GT1 also theres a good selection of tracks and cars also some of Polyphony's own courses are just brilliant imo like Grand valley.

Tbh as a GT fan its a game with a lot of depth , GT3 took me 6 months to complete it fully and get all the cars.But im gonna say i think its better because i gained more enjoyment from it over Forza the only thing Forza had going for it for me was the fact it had Ferrari's xD but thats not really a point now.

Well, I'm not talking about GT fans who are merely stating their preference (like yourself), I'm talking about GT fans who really want to debate about which one is better and then bring nothing to the table but weaksauce reasons.

Well, I'm not talking about GT fans who are merely stating their preference (like yourself), I'm talking about GT fans who really want to debate about which one is better and then bring nothing to the table but weaksauce reasons.

Tragic_Kingdom7

That's because they are stupid enough to compare a last gen game to a AAA next gen game.

I also didn't like Microsoft's aggressive presentation at E3 regarding Forza. Whereas GT this year and in past years has been about the developer showcasing their work and expressing their excitement in it, Microsoft concentrated on making sure that everyone understood Forza 3 was the definitive racing game, and no range of preferences or interests could possibly be accommodated by any other racing game, ever. The very fact that MS feels the need to call out GT rather than focusing on the unique merits of its own game suggests to me that it can't be as good as they'd like to make you think.OrwellJames

They're just hyping their game. It's a form of advertising. I don't see why you're making so much of it.

And they've been focusing on the features of their game plenty. You're creating this false dichotomy that either Microsoft is talking crap or their not focusing on their own game. In reality, they are doing both.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Well, I'm not talking about GT fans who are merely stating their preference (like yourself), I'm talking about GT fans who really want to debate about which one is better and then bring nothing to the table but weaksauce reasons.

JLF1

That's because they are stupid enough to compare a last gen game to a AAA next gen game.

But they do compare it. They just give non-reasons. If they didn't compare, I wouldn't even be saying anything.

And the first Forza was on Xbox 1, which is last gen.

I also didn't like Microsoft's aggressive presentation at E3 regarding Forza. Whereas GT this year and in past years has been about the developer showcasing their work and expressing their excitement in it, Microsoft concentrated on making sure that everyone understood Forza 3 was the definitive racing game, and no range of preferences or interests could possibly be accommodated by any other racing game, ever. The very fact that MS feels the need to call out GT rather than focusing on the unique merits of its own game suggests to me that it can't be as good as they'd like to make you think.OrwellJames

But they do compare it. They just give non-reasons. If they didn't compare, I wouldn't even be saying anything.

And the first Forza was on Xbox 1, which is last gen.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I know that , I owned the game.

Forza fans don't compare it to GT4 anymore though. They compare F2 to GT4.

[QUOTE="OrwellJames"]I also didn't like Microsoft's aggressive presentation at E3 regarding Forza. Whereas GT this year and in past years has been about the developer showcasing their work and expressing their excitement in it, Microsoft concentrated on making sure that everyone understood Forza 3 was the definitive racing game, and no range of preferences or interests could possibly be accommodated by any other racing game, ever. The very fact that MS feels the need to call out GT rather than focusing on the unique merits of its own game suggests to me that it can't be as good as they'd like to make you think.Tragic_Kingdom7

They're just hyping their game. It's a form of advertising. I don't see why you're making so much of it.

And they've been focusing on the features of their game plenty. You're creating this false dichotomy that either Microsoft is talking crap or their not focusing on their own game. In reality, they are doing both.

[QUOTE="OrwellJames"]I also didn't like Microsoft's aggressive presentation at E3 regarding Forza. Whereas GT this year and in past years has been about the developer showcasing their work and expressing their excitement in it, Microsoft concentrated on making sure that everyone understood Forza 3 was the definitive racing game, and no range of preferences or interests could possibly be accommodated by any other racing game, ever. The very fact that MS feels the need to call out GT rather than focusing on the unique merits of its own game suggests to me that it can't be as good as they'd like to make you think.JLF1

I think with the cocky attitude they are trying to create some intrigue. It's silly, but it works sometimes. But like you said, it could really come back to bite them.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="OrwellJames"]I also didn't like Microsoft's aggressive presentation at E3 regarding Forza. Whereas GT this year and in past years has been about the developer showcasing their work and expressing their excitement in it, Microsoft concentrated on making sure that everyone understood Forza 3 was the definitive racing game, and no range of preferences or interests could possibly be accommodated by any other racing game, ever. The very fact that MS feels the need to call out GT rather than focusing on the unique merits of its own game suggests to me that it can't be as good as they'd like to make you think.OrwellJames

They're just hyping their game. It's a form of advertising. I don't see why you're making so much of it.

And they've been focusing on the features of their game plenty. You're creating this false dichotomy that either Microsoft is talking crap or their not focusing on their own game. In reality, they are doing both.

1. I'd like to see some substantiation for the bolded point. I mean, what the hell do you expect out of something that's trying be a simulator? Would you make the same criticism against Gran Turismo?

2. I don't see anything wrong with wanting one's product to be compared with others. It implies that they have faith in that product. A guy from Polyphony Digital on the other hand has said that they evaulate their series in a vacuum by comparing it with itself.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

But they do compare it. They just give non-reasons. If they didn't compare, I wouldn't even be saying anything.

And the first Forza was on Xbox 1, which is last gen.

JLF1

I know that , I owned the game.

Forza fans don't compare it to GT4 anymore though. They compare F2 to GT4.

I can see why that might seem unfair, but I've heard compelling arguments for the first Forza against GT also. I've yet to see any real argument in GT's favor. The least those GT fans can do is wait for their own next GT to come out and then if it owns Forza 3, they can go to town on Forza all they want. But the way some of them look down on the Forza series without providing an argument against it is vexing. It's as if they think GT has the crown simply because it exists.

For me i will be buying both game.

The only thing that is putting me off GT5 is that handling in GT5P and the bumper car physics. I know there was updates to GT5P i never tried and the final game will be much different but as there has not been any info about gameplay then no one really know what the handling and gameplay will be like off and online.

Am guessing that Forza 3 will be similar handling to before but just improved.

Both games should be great but no one knows which game is better untill they play it.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

Forza is an AAA series. GT isn't.

Sir_Lawl

You do know GT1 on average was 96 on metacritic

GT2 was 93 on Metacritic

GT3 on 95 on Metacritic

GT4 is 89 on Metacritic

where as Forza is

Forza 1 has 92

Forza 2 has 90

come back when you least check out the scores would you even by reviewers GT is much more highly rated and im sure GT1 is one of those very few games Edge gave a 10/10 to

What's this? Didn't PS3 fanboys promise to use only Gamespot scores after Movie gear solid 4 scored a 10?

i loled im not a fanboy it was when you said that GT wasnt a AAA series that i felt it was a good point to proove you wrong so bringing in proof GT isnt a AAA series makes you a fanboy mkay seems your idea of one isnt really accurate is it...

Even though i may only own a PS3 and a Wii doesnt make me a fanboy of any kind, its purely on the factor of many things like i dont need a 360, i prefer to use my cash on CD's and going to gigs.I would love a 360 for AC6 but financially it aint gonna happen due to me just getting a bass and a few other things and im off to college so financially.

But please dont call someone a fanboy because they referenced Metacritic when you didnt bring your own proof it only makes you look silly.