Forza 3 is a lie

Turn 10 have been caught fooling the public into thinking Forza 3 had a big bump in graphics. When in fact it hasn't. Turns out all screen shots up to now have been from photo mode. And you can't actually play the game using these detailed models. The cars in game have a lower resolution.You've been lied to. Now Che the community manager for Turn 10 is trying to do damage control.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/5/2975508/ShowThread.aspx#2975508

Only now are they telling people that to bump up the visuals you have to go into photo mode and video exporting. Here is a exmample of the lies

The top Mini is the one you will see in the game menu, the lower one is the one you get to drive in game

they are different models. The pretty cars in Forza 3 are only there to look at, you can't race them. Turn 10 said the only thing different about photomode was the AA/extra effects. But it's not true, the in game cars are using lower resolution textures. What you've all been getting excited about up to now has been screenshots from photo mode or replays which use better models than the ones you get to drive in game. When you play Forza 3 it loos a lot worse sadly. Low res textures and jaggies, it's not much of a differnce from Forza 2.

so the demo still looked great.

i am sure gt has done the same.

Gran Turismo OWNS Forza.

yeah. i was a little disapointed with the graphics. but it wont stop me playing the **** out off this game over the next few years

Gran Turismo's graphics OWNS Forza graphics.

Tomrock101

Oh and before someone says the demo is a old build here is what Che said to someone who didn't like the jaggies in Forza 3.

"The demo is visually representative of the full-game so racing in-game won't look much different."

Gran Turismo OWNS Forza.

Tomrock101

well everyone is playing forza 3. you will still be waiting.

gt will not be out till q2 from what i have heard. hits japan in march of 2010

and for all the time gt has wasted developing gt 5. i don't think it will destory forza. i think gt will be a little better but i don't see a huge difference

The demo is nothing like what team 10 advertised. The obvious bullshotswere only put outfor magazine covers and game sites,they pulled a fast one, and now they're getting called out for it. They said all along there was no real difference between the cars in the menus and the cars in game, it was a blatant lie. There is model switching going on all the time in Forza 3.

Here is the proof of model switching happening in Forza 3

three level of detail in the game:

1- Super high poly (10x more than FM2) = menus, selection screen, photomode, etc.
2- Medium quality (more polys than FM2) = Pre race rotating cameras.
3- Low poly models (about the same than FM2 or little enhaced) = In-game car models

Turn 10 have lied to you all and shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

Well I've played the demo.... it looks great... and I watched the replay afterwards.... trying to see a difference in quality.... I didn't see any. I'm not saying GT won't look better.... it probably will, but I'm quite certain that GT is inferior to Forza when it comes to important things like damage, controls, physics & AI.

If Polyphony can't produce a better looking game with4 years of development time vs Turn 10's 2 years of dev time, then there would be something wrong.

Enjoy waiting til next summer to play GT5 cows.

This proofs my point. You can see in the picture that there is less polygons used in the cockpit view in FM3 compared to GT5. They used a lot of polys in the environments, so of course the cars could'nt have the 400.000 polygons that they stated. But they also stated it was going to be 1080p 60fps, and it turned out to be 720p 60fps as usual.

Well, jeez, this isn't good.

That link is pretty neat to read though.
Oh well, I guess we will buy it for the gameplay. :)

so the demo still looked great.

i am sure gt has done the same.

James161324

Big deal.

I'm not going to lose sleep over a couple of textures.

You know what I'm more interested in? How the final game will turn out and right now Forza 3 is shaping up to be a great racing sim.

wow what a find TC, especially from the FM3 forums itself!. I understand T10 doing this since they are under the m$ flag but wow, if PD did this ill go mad lol :lol: :D

Whatever MS fanboys are always willing to settling for half-assed quality as long as it's cheap and made my microsoft.

SirSiddy01

I certainly hope you're not calling Forza 3 "half assed" quality.

Because that would be funny.

Well, jeez, this isn't good.

That link is pretty neat to read though.
Oh well, I guess we will buy it for the gameplay. :)

SolidTy

You've played the demo though right? So you should already know that forza's graphics are very good anyway and actually will enhance the gameplay. Although they may not be as good as GT5's (cars only), there's no need to deliberately downplay forza just because of this article when you know well enough that this isn't the case.

it's pretty enough, I guess they should have been more honest about it, but it doesnt make me any less excited for the game, Id prefer it ran smooth like it does

That sucks. Oh wells I'm pretty sure it's still going to be a good game.

Another semi-disappointing thing I noticed is that the "dynamic" shadows look to be faked as well. To see what I mean, load up the demo and drive your car next to a roadside wall that looks like it's casting a shadow. Nevertheless, even though Turn 10 cut a few corners, the game is still gorgeous.

Forza 3 is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

Forza 3 = A lie = The cake

So by the transitive property, Forza 3 = The cake

Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5.

Forza 3 is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

Forza 3 = A lie = The cake

So by the transitive property, Forza 3 = The cake

Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5.

MetroidPrimePwn

How about you play GT5 before judging?

How about you play GT5 before judging?

bigblunt537

Did you seriously think I was serious?

Seriously? For serious?

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

How about you play GT5 before judging?

MetroidPrimePwn

Did you seriously think I was serious?

Seriously? For serious?

Well the cake part made me lol a bit, but then you sounded like you ended on a serious note lol

Forza 3 is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

Forza 3 = A lie = The cake

So by the transitive property, Forza 3 = The cake

Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5.

MetroidPrimePwn

If Forza 3 equals cake,then Gran Turismo 5 equals pie.

If Forza 3 is a lie,then Gran Turismo 5 is a truth.

Pie > cake.

Truth > Lie.

Therefore, Gran Turismo 5 > Forza 3.

well i never expected the final game (Forza3) would look like most bullshots & replay vids posted in these boards... but i played the demo and F3 still looks amazing.. car models imo look slightly better than GT5p and the background in the track available in the demo looked great..

I have no doubts GT5 will look better, but heck with so much time into development the least one can expect is the game having amazing visuals..

F3 & GT5 are still 1st day buys for me, can't wait for F3 to get released next month and start racing online, tuning & custimizing my fav cars :P

funny... That in car veiw looks fantastic to me... well just reminding people that say it looks like forza 2 :

Thanks for posting ****y screenshots. Anyway, the demo looked great especially with the 60FPS framerate and the background looked beautiful. The only thing that didn't look good to me was when you went under shadows as I could hardly see my car.-RocBoys9489-

it's pretty enough, I guess they should have been more honest about it, but it doesnt make me any less excited for the game, Id prefer it ran smooth like it does

kate_jones

what happened to teh tessellation? :P (j/k)

anyway.. it looks better than Forza 2.. but not yet matching the quality of GT5: P (or even GT HD)

No is not,the problem is that fanboys like you are trying to pass this demo graphics as a representation of the final build,which i've seen it at gamescon 2009 and looks better than this demo which is a build from E3 2009.Tessellation

The guy at the official Forza forums said it represents the final product himself.

Buddy I played the demo and I can seriously say it doesnt look like that. Of course the models in photo mode look better but the difference isnt that big. Right now, TC is in damage control mode.93soccer

Well the TC didn't make those pics himself. He got them directly from the Forza board where others are showing the differences. I think the game will be great regardless, but the TC was just trying to show something he came across.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]No is not,the problem is that fanboys like you are trying to pass this demo graphics as a representation of the final build,which i've seen it at gamescon 2009 and looks better than this demo which is a build from E3 2009.bigblunt537

The guy at the official Forza forums said it represents the final product himself.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Forza 3 is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

Forza 3 = A lie = The cake

So by the transitive property, Forza 3 = The cake

Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5.

VGobbsesser

If Forza 3 equals cake,then Gran Turismo 5 equals pie.

If Forza 3 is a lie,then Gran Turismo 5 is a truth.

Pie > cake.

Truth > Lie.

Therefore, Gran Turismo 5 > Forza 3.

what happened to teh tessellation? :P (j/k)

anyway.. it looks better than Forza 2.. but not yet matching the quality of GT5: P (or even GT HD)

Mystery_Writer

Forza 3 is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

Forza 3 = A lie = The cake

So by the transitive property, Forza 3 = The cake

Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5.

MetroidPrimePwn

But the cake is still a lie!!! :lol: