Forza 3: No weather, night racing, or rally

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#51 Odrec
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Maybe the 360 should start using BluRay so they have a chance to include all those features :P
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#52 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Meowmixxvi"] pretty much! always have and always will :D

Episode_Eve

Umm...what? Forza 1 was more critically acclaimed than GT4...

Yeah. Forza received slightly higher scores across the board. I wouldn't say it makes FM entirely better than GT4 though. But, I say that's because GT4 was reviewed on the merits/ standard of it's franchise (being that I released before FM). And GT4 didn't add much in terms of new features to the franchise. The game itself is superb though. This outing should be a different story, I'm eager to see what they have up their sleeves.

We'll see. I'm just pointing out the facts using the reviews I've seen for the two games. Whether or not Forza 1 was truly better than GT4 is subjective.

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#53 -Melix-
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Meh, even without said features, it'll still be better than the competition. Some rain would be nice, though.

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The funny thing is you dont even know what is going to be better since, you havent seen much footage of either forza or gt5 to make the kind of statement... But whatever makes you sleep at night ;)

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#54 AdoringFan_
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Meh, even without said features, it'll still be better than the competition. Some rain would be nice, though.

-Melix-

The funny thing is you dont even know what is going to be better since, you havent seen much footage of either forza or gt5 to make the kind of statement... But whatever makes you sleep at night ;)

Don't bother; just read a his posts across the boards. Clearly favors the 360 more than anything lmao

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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.nervmeister
Wow. Really? Color me surprised.

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

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#56 Episode_Eve
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Oh well, that just sealed the deal right there. See Forza failed because they spent too much time worrying about painting cars rather than driving them. As far as I'm concerned this is now GT5's battlefield by a land slide, unless they have something we don't know.fatzebra
Noo. The core driving mechanics of Forza 3 are so fine-tuned. They really spent time on evolving some physics. Though, this is news is a slight contradiction to what Dan Greenwalt (think it was him) said: "there's nothing else we can add". But in all honestly, they do feel they've added all driving physics possible within the time frame given.
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#57 bleehum
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Anyone else think if GT5 didn't have these features but Forza 3 did GT5 would be bashed to no end?
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#58 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Meh, even without said features, it'll still be better than the competition. Some rain would be nice, though.

AdoringFan_

The funny thing is you dont even know what is going to be better since, you havent seen much footage of either forza or gt5 to make the kind of statement... But whatever makes you sleep at night ;)

Don't bother; just read a his posts across the boards. Clearly favors the 360 more than anything lmao

Favoring shouldn't be a crime. But bashing with no concept of being objective is crime of fanboyism I believe.
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#59 AdoringFan_
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.NinjaMunkey01

Wow. Really? Color me surprised.

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

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#60 topgunmv
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Since when does different lighting require changing the textures?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Maybe it's like PGR4 and the extra textures couldn't fit on the disc, and they'll have to make it downloadable? >>' Or maybe I'm wrong about that...PGR4 has night mode and different weather for every track, but I don't remember downloading anything to get that, and I doubt it came with the patch because that took seconds to download.Adrian_Cloud
Couldnt they just tone down the lighting on the map ?

That wouldn't work, they'd have to deal with all the new different light sources, plus new textures, its probably even more complicated than that. Weather must be a real pain to deal with, it not only affects visuals but also game play.

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#61 Espada12
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Anyone else think if GT5 didn't have these features but Forza 3 did GT5 would be bashed to no end?bleehum

I agree, Gt5 would get ripped a new one if it didn't have these things or they were cut.

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#62 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]Wow. Really? Color me surprised.AdoringFan_

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

So believing Forza 3 will be the better game is a crime now? :?
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#63 Nonstop-Madness
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Since when does different lighting require changing the textures?

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] Couldnt they just tone down the lighting on the map ?topgunmv

That wouldn't work, they'd have to deal with all the new different light sources, plus new textures, its probably even more complicated than that. Weather must be a real pain to deal with, it not only affects visuals but also game play.

thats what i was thinking
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#64 Odrec
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[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

The funny thing is you dont even know what is going to be better since, you havent seen much footage of either forza or gt5 to make the kind of statement... But whatever makes you sleep at night ;)

Episode_Eve

Don't bother; just read a his posts across the boards. Clearly favors the 360 more than anything lmao

Favoring shouldn't be a crime. But bashing with no concept of being objective is crime of fanboyism I believe.

Yea Bio is most definitely a fanboy, he tries very hard for us not to notice but his fanboyishness is so great his efforts to hide it are worthless.
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#65 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]Wow. Really? Color me surprised.AdoringFan_

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

haha it is full of win

butyeah my sig is incredibly full of bias and fanboy, but tbh I stil dont see why people are saying forza 3 looks better than GT5, it just wont happen. So my sig is also full of truth, imo of course XD The video is so epic though, especially since pendulum's fasten your seatbelts" goes so well with it =P

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#66 BlancoBX
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Anyone who doesnt admit this as being a huge letdown from a highly anticipated game is just lying to themselves. For a game that tries to tout its realism all the time, not having weather or night racing is just wrong. Luckily for me I dont have to choose because im not getting either (GT5 or FM3), never was a huge racing game fan.

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#67 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"]No Rally or whether was pretty much a given. I thought they would include at least a couple night tracks though..BoloTheGreat
Some rain would be nice :|

I wouldn't want to race in the rain.. Sounds like something you will look back and and say "Ugh, I hated doing this in this game"

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#68 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

So believing Forza 3 will be the better game is a crime now? :?

Honestly? yup
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[QUOTE="bleehum"] Anyone else think if GT5 didn't have these features but Forza 3 did GT5 would be bashed to no end?Espada12

I agree, Gt5 would get ripped a new one if it didn't have these things or they were cut.

The pendulum swings both ways... But I think that GT5/ Poly would get criticized or ridiculed more if the tables were turned. Being that GT is the more popular and storied franchise.
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#70 Indigga
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

GT5 wins?

Meowmixxvi

pretty much! always have and always will :D

Yes yes by a long shot. That games a beast in racing genre.

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#71 AdoringFan_
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[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

The_Game21x

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

So believing Forza 3 will be the better game is a crime now? :?

I said I can't believe people here are bashing PD, what you said was extrememly random :|

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Since when does different lighting require changing the textures?

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] Couldnt they just tone down the lighting on the map ?topgunmv

That wouldn't work, they'd have to deal with all the new different light sources, plus new textures, its probably even more complicated than that. Weather must be a real pain to deal with, it not only affects visuals but also game play.

Because its not just different lighting :|
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#73 LosDaddie
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eh.....I want to see how well GT5 does damage (a crucial feature)before all this other stuff.

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#74 SilverChimera
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another reason to pick up GT5 over this :D

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#75 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="Couth_"]No Rally or whether was pretty much a given. I thought they would include at least a couple night tracks though..Couth_

Some rain would be nice :|

I wouldn't want to race in the rain.. Sounds like something you will look back and and say "Ugh, I hated doing this in this game"

I loved racing on rain-slicked roads in GT3. But people race in the rain all the time. And imagine during an endurance race or NASCAR: dynamic shift in weather & time would truly affect the race in physics and player control. Plus its a nice aesthetic.
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#76 enterawesome
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...So? Who the hell puts on a race in the middle of the night while its storming out anyway? It would kinda mess with the difficulty curve.
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#77 Vaasman
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Just curious, how often do professional racers run races during the rain or nighttime?

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#78 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="bleehum"] Anyone else think if GT5 didn't have these features but Forza 3 did GT5 would be bashed to no end?Episode_Eve

I agree, Gt5 would get ripped a new one if it didn't have these things or they were cut.

The pendulum swings both ways... But I think that GT5/ Poly would get criticized or ridiculed more if the tables were turned. Being that GT is the more popular and storied franchise.

That's what I mean't but I didn't elaborate, it's ok for forza to leave out things when competeing with GT5, but if forza has something GT doesn't we won't hear the end of it (like damage) but poly fixed that I believe. I mean how can people not see GT5 is the real package here?

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#79 Riverwolf007
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i'm going to be sitting out on the whole forza vs. GT thing since i'm getting dirt 2...umm unless i get a chance to make fun of Poly for being such a terrible dev after gt2.

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#80 enterawesome
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eh.....I want to see how well GT5 does damage (a crucial feature)before all this other stuff.

LosDaddie
That, and isn't the online in Prologue a laggy, broken mess?
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#81 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]So believing Forza 3 will be the better game is a crime now? :?NinjaMunkey01
Honestly? yup

So...believing that Turn 10, who has already beaten PD twice in terms of critical acclaim is a crime to you? Right. You keep on believing that.

I said I can't believe people here are bashing PD, what you said was extrememly random :|AdoringFan_

You said "Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad"

I don't see anything in there about "bashing" PD. The phrase "going against" could easily be interpreted as something else.

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#82 AdoringFan_
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

eh.....I want to see how well GT5 does damage (a crucial feature)before all this other stuff.

enterawesome

That, and isn't the online in Prologue a laggy, broken mess?

Probably for you, but I never lagged online :)

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#83 Senor_Kami
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That's lame. I can understand weather because thats extra effects, but wouldn't night time racing actually be less demanding on the console? I've got a feeling there's gonna be a "Day and Night" DLC pack that introduces this stuff less than 2 months after the release.
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#84 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

eh.....I want to see how well GT5 does damage (a crucial feature)before all this other stuff.

enterawesome

That, and isn't the online in Prologue a laggy, broken mess?

I think online will be fine, but I want to see how PD does damage.

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#85 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Some rain would be nice :|Episode_Eve

I wouldn't want to race in the rain.. Sounds like something you will look back and and say "Ugh, I hated doing this in this game"

I loved racing on rain-slicked roads in GT3. But people race in the rain all the time. And imagine during an endurance race or NASCAR: dynamic shift in weather & time would truly affect the race in physics and player control. Plus its a nice aesthetic.

Yeah. But the wet roads in GT3 were limited to Rally Cars. And the racing physics for those were very similar to rally.. . I mean don't get me wrong, rain would be very impressive. Especially if it started to rain mid race, the would be very impressive, and very realistic. But I wouldn't necessarily like it. Just like I don't like when it rains in real life. Roads are most slick when it just starts to rain :(
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#86 clubsammich91
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I've been saying this since the day Forza 3 was announced. It will never surpass GT5 in terms of quality. People just need to realize that and move on.
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#87 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Honestly? yupThe_Game21x

So...believing that Turn 10, who has already beaten PD twice in terms of critical acclaim is a crime to you? Right. You keep on believing that.

I said I can't believe people here are bashing PD, what you said was extrememly random :|AdoringFan_

You said "Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad"

I don't see anything in there about "bashing" PD. The phrase "going against" could easily be interpreted as something else.

Lol it was a joke. Think what you want :lol:
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#88 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Couth_"] I wouldn't want to race in the rain.. Sounds like something you will look back and and say "Ugh, I hated doing this in this game"

Couth_

I loved racing on rain-slicked roads in GT3. But people race in the rain all the time. And imagine during an endurance race or NASCAR: dynamic shift in weather & time would truly affect the race in physics and player control. Plus its a nice aesthetic.

Yeah. But the wet roads in GT3 were limited to Rally Cars. And the racing physics for those were very similar to rally.. . I mean don't get me wrong, rain would be very impressive. Especially if it started to rain mid race, the would be very impressive, and very realistic. But I wouldn't necessarily like it. Just like I don't like when it rains in real life. Roads are most slick when it just starts to rain :(

Yeah, I feel you. But it does add a realistic touch and challenge though.

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#89 The_Game21x
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Lol it was a joke. Think what you want :lol:NinjaMunkey01

People don't usually say "Honestly" before saying something in a joking manner.

Jokes are hard enough to decipher on the internets anyway...>_>

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#90 Nonstop-Madness
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Since when does different lighting require changing the textures?

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] That wouldn't work, they'd have to deal with all the new different light sources, plus new textures, its probably even more complicated than that. Weather must be a real pain to deal with, it not only affects visuals but also game play.Adrian_Cloud

Because its not just different lighting :|

The difference in day and night is only lighting. I dont see why you would need new textures.
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#91 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] Lol it was a joke. Think what you want :lol:The_Game21x

People don't usually say "Honestly" before saying something in a joking manner.

Jokes are hard enough to decipher on the internets anyway...>_>

This is true
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#92 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] I loved racing on rain-slicked roads in GT3. But people race in the rain all the time. And imagine during an endurance race or NASCAR: dynamic shift in weather & time would truly affect the race in physics and player control. Plus its a nice aesthetic.Episode_Eve

Yeah. But the wet roads in GT3 were limited to Rally Cars. And the racing physics for those were very similar to rally.. . I mean don't get me wrong, rain would be very impressive. Especially if it started to rain mid race, the would be very impressive, and very realistic. But I wouldn't necessarily like it. Just like I don't like when it rains in real life. Roads are most slick when it just starts to rain :(

Yeah, I feel you. But it does add a realistic touch and challenge though.

Yeah. I bet Polyphony will try to work in wet roads to GT5, if not rain all together. We'll see how it works out
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#93 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Honestly? yupThe_Game21x

So...believing that Turn 10, who has already beaten PD twice in terms of critical acclaim is a crime to you? Right. You keep on believing that.

I said I can't believe people here are bashing PD, what you said was extrememly random :|AdoringFan_

You said "Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad"

I don't see anything in there about "bashing" PD. The phrase "going against" could easily be interpreted as something else.

TWICE? What? Forza has released 2 games and Gran Turismo has released 1 in the same timeframe, there's not even a competition for Forza 3, what are you comparing it to when you say that they beat them in terms of critical acclaim?
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#94 Doolz2024
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Relax, I think we'll be ok without changing weather, night and rally racing. The exclusion of these three things isn't that big of a deal.
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#95 CreepyBacon
Member since 2005 • 3183 Posts

I'm sure if turn 10 spent 10 years making forza 3 to the disapointment of their fans they'd have time to put all that in there too. As it goes there actually releasing their game so they need to put there foot down at some point.

Comes down to how cars handle, who has the better *sim* and so far, Forza wins considering F2s driving outclasses GTDEMOs driving.

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#96 Episode_Eve
Member since 2004 • 16986 Posts
[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

So...believing that Turn 10, who has already beaten PD twice in terms of critical acclaim is a crime to you? Right. You keep on believing that.

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]I said I can't believe people here are bashing PD, what you said was extrememly random :|Brownesque

You said "Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad"

I don't see anything in there about "bashing" PD. The phrase "going against" could easily be interpreted as something else.

TWICE? What? Forza has released 2 games and Gran Turismo has released 1 in the same timeframe, there's not even a competition for Forza 3, what are you comparing it to when you say that they beat them in terms of critical acclaim?

A lot of people cite GT5 Prologue as that "2nd defeat". That doesn't pass with me though, since GT4 was the last installment of the franchise.
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#97 Raining__Blood
Member since 2009 • 237 Posts

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

haha

"forza 3 is the definitive racong game this gen"

"unrivialled amount of cars"

lol theyre not just trying to compete with GT5, but every other racing game there is XD

NinjaMunkey01

Like your sig btw :)

Can't believe some people here are going against Polophony Digital....really....sad :lol:

haha it is full of win

butyeah my sig is incredibly full of bias and fanboy, but tbh I stil dont see why people are saying forza 3 looks better than GT5, it just wont happen. So my sig is also full of truth, imo of course XD The video is so epic though, especially since pendulum's fasten your seatbelts" goes so well with it =P

Your vsig is full of what? concept video? that isn't even gameplay,is a target render.
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#98 Raining__Blood
Member since 2009 • 237 Posts
I will take any day the game that comes out this year, tired to see target renders and promises and no delivering.
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#99 -RocBoys9489-
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I wasn't even expecting Forza 3 to have any of that. That's what I got PGR4 in my game stack to my left for silly! :P
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#100 Leejjohno
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Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.Adrian_Cloud

They might not be trying to but they are essentially doing just that.