Forza 3: No weather, night racing, or rally

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#201 muzik_mafia
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Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.Adrian_Cloud

wow, WOW, you did not just say that.

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#202 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.muzik_mafia

wow, WOW, you did not just say that.

According to Turn 10, Polyphony Digital handed them the torch :|
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#203 Shhadow_Viper
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Well that's another reason I am glad I will be playing GT, it's just a more diverse experience regarding racing not painting and demolition derbying.

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#204 enygma500
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[QUOTE="funked_up"]LOL another flop for the xRROD 360 :lol:Doolz2024
:roll: Try to come up with something legitimate if you're going to say F3 will flop. Since F1 and 2 did not have any of these things yet still got 9.2's, why would F3 suddenly fail because it didn't have them?

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

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#205 Stoner-Pimp
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First how many races are done at night? Second you don't have races on a stormy day. The only part is cool is rally but I bet Dirt 2 is better overall than the rally part in GT5. One thing GT5 lacks is car rollover something Forza 3 has.

You really don't watch a lot of racing do you?, i've watched loads of races with rain/storms and i've also watched lots of races in the evening and night (again with rain/storms).
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#206 Camer999
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

First how many races are done at night? Second you don't have races on a stormy day. The only part is cool is rally but I bet Dirt 2 is better overall than the rally part in GT5. One thing GT5 lacks is car rollover something Forza 3 has.

ZoomZoom2490

car rollover is something to write home about? give me a break!

ZOMG, and you are telling me weather/night racing is a big deal, rally I could see would make a difference.

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#207 PS3_3DO
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

First how many races are done at night? Second you don't have races on a stormy day. The only part is cool is rally but I bet Dirt 2 is better overall than the rally part in GT5. One thing GT5 lacks is car rollover something Forza 3 has.

ZoomZoom2490

car rollover is something to write home about? give me a break!

You must not have seen a lot of races because rollovers happen.

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#208 EazyD91
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Well, Forza 1&2 didn't need weather to be more critically acclaimed than GT. Forza 1&2 didn't need racing at night to be more critically acclaimed than GT. Forza 1& 2 didn't need rally to be more critically acclaimed than GT. GRASPING AT STRAWS
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#209 masiisam
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Forza 1 scored higher because of online, i'm not going to even enter that debate. Adrian_Cloud

Wait...GT4 did not have online?

I am confused then... because Poly confirmed and talked about that major feature 6 months before the release of GT4? And they scrapped it?..What a disappointment...... but here we are again with just a concept trailer and ZERO word from Poly about the feature set.....But everything in the trailer is stone cold fact.....Hummm.......interesting.

Keep the faith alive...

You can only rely on what developers tell you, if that weren't the case then anyone could come up with their own conclusions about a game until it is released. which is ignorance. Gran Turismo 5 is Five Years in development, i think its safe to say that what they have promised they will deliver.

Well when has Poly confirmed the... what.. where.. and when will be in GT5? You don't believe it's just as ignorant to assume what's going to be in the game by using some conflicting interviews.. a developers history of delays/miss quotes....a concept video... and a host of PR BS the length of an arm?

Why would you say "I think its safe to say that what they have promised they will deliver"?.....When their history shows different? GT4 online is an example..What about the "massive" fall update to incorporate damage into GT5p? What about the "we will continue work on GT5 and once that is complete. ....We will concentrate our efforts on the PSP GT"..

That has no effect on your confidence they will deliver?

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#210 Trmpt
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Well I am sure GT5 will have all those features

Is it worth the wait?

thelastguy
But GT5 wont have the feature that matters most,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,car damage.
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#211 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

First how many races are done at night? Second you don't have races on a stormy day. The only part is cool is rally but I bet Dirt 2 is better overall than the rally part in GT5. One thing GT5 lacks is car rollover something Forza 3 has.

PS3_3DO

car rollover is something to write home about? give me a break!

You must not have seen a lot of races because rollovers happen.

I think it's a cool feature, but irl they happen once in a blue moon, and forza is a "semi-sim" like GT so...
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#212 adman66
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omg they should delay forza 3 for 6 years to add this like gt5
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#213 AdoringFan_
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[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

Well I am sure GT5 will have all those features

Is it worth the wait?

Trmpt

But GT5 wont have the feature that matters most,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,car damage.

GT5 has car damage. How about you watch the E3 09 video ;)

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#214 AdoringFan_
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omg they should delay forza 3 for 6 years to add this like gt5 adman66

Sure why not. I mean many hyped MGS4 as never getting a 10/10 on here and many sites, fanboys (especially lems) called Killzone "Flopzone 2", inFAMOUS a flop, R2 a flop, and LBP a flop. I'd rather wait so I can have the better game ;)

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#215 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="muzik_mafia"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.Adrian_Cloud

wow, WOW, you did not just say that.

According to Turn 10, Polyphony Digital handed them the torch :|

What is this torch you speak of?
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="funked_up"]LOL another flop for the xRROD 360 :lol:enygma500

:roll: Try to come up with something legitimate if you're going to say F3 will flop. Since F1 and 2 did not have any of these things yet still got 9.2's, why would F3 suddenly fail because it didn't have them?

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

Well here's the thing: GT5 isn't coming out before F3. F3 has a RELEASE DATE. GT5 still doesn't have one. :lol: No need to worry about F3 losing points in reviews due to the lack of these things, because it appears as though it'll be the only true racing sim on the market anyway... GT5 will probably never be released. That would be funny.
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#218 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

AdoringFan_

Well here's the thing: GT5 isn't coming out before F3. F3 has a RELEASE DATE. GT5 still doesn't have one. :lol: No need to worry about F3 losing points in reviews due to the lack of these things, because it appears as though it'll be the only true racing sim on the market anyway... GT5 will probably never be released. That would be funny.

Silly lemming, both arent even out.

Its official. Lems = LOL :lol:

:? I know that. My point was, F3 HAS A RELEASE DATE. It WILL be out in October. No one even knows when GT5 will be out...
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#219 Camer999
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="thelastguy"]

Well I am sure GT5 will have all those features

Is it worth the wait?

AdoringFan_

But GT5 wont have the feature that matters most,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,car damage.

GT5 has car damage. How about you watch the E3 09 video ;)

It is a concept video.... and I heard the damage would only be for Rally & nascar, correct me if I am wrong....

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#220 Camer999
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="funked_up"]LOL another flop for the xRROD 360 :lol:enygma500

:roll: Try to come up with something legitimate if you're going to say F3 will flop. Since F1 and 2 did not have any of these things yet still got 9.2's, why would F3 suddenly fail because it didn't have them?

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

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#221 ZoomZoom2490
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

:roll: Try to come up with something legitimate if you're going to say F3 will flop. Since F1 and 2 did not have any of these things yet still got 9.2's, why would F3 suddenly fail because it didn't have them? Doolz2024

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

even gt5p has better physics than forza3
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#222 HuusAsking
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http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-types/driving-and-racing/forza-3-no-weather-night-racing-or-rally-$1310204.htm

W..t..h?! :| They better add it!

AdoringFan_

No rally is a given. FM is not for rally racing--what MS needs to do is release a new Rallisport Challenge.

Weather probably complicates the physics, so I can see that as a likelihood.

And the night racing probably goes to lighting--car headlights and track lighting--again, complicating the physics.

I'm putting these three in order of likelihood of being fixed: least to most.

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#223 Camer999
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

ZoomZoom2490

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

even gt5p has better physics than forza3

lol, no many say FM2 is better than GT5:p pertaining physics. FM3 will pretty much add alot more with Tire flex and just a more complicated physics system in general.

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#224 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Damn...I wanted a nice mix of all 3.
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#225 TheGreatOutdoor
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Well I am sure GT5 will have all those features

Is it worth the wait?

thelastguy

Of course.

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#226 CBR600-RR
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[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-types/driving-and-racing/forza-3-no-weather-night-racing-or-rally-$1310204.htm

W..t..h?! :| They better add it!

HuusAsking

No rally is a given. FM is not for rally racing--what MS needs to do is release a new Rallisport Challenge.

Weather probably complicates the physics, so I can see that as a likelihood.

And the night racing probably goes to lighting--car headlights and track lighting--again, complicating the physics.

I'm putting these three in order of likelihood of being fixed: least to most.

Why should MS release a rally game when Dirt and Dirt 2 are and will be the best?

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#227 PS3_3DO
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

ZoomZoom2490

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

even gt5p has better physics than forza3

Hahahah sure it does. I am playing it right now and love how a car behind me hits me and keeps going. You have to love bumper cars!

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#228 djsifer01
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All things GT5 will have +1 to GT5 /-1 to Forza 3.
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#229 Camer999
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

PS3_3DO

even gt5p has better physics than forza3

Hahahah sure it does. I am playing it right now and love how a car behind me hits me and keeps going. You have to love bumper cars!

Then why are you playing it? If you "love" it so much?

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#230 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

even gt5p has better physics than forza3

First off, no. Forza 2's physics are better than GT5: Prologue's. Second, I'd like to know how you can compare Forza 3's physics to GT5: Prologue's, seeing as Forza 3 isn't out yet. :|
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#231 PS3_3DO
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] even gt5p has better physics than forza3Camer999

Hahahah sure it does. I am playing it right now and love how a car behind me hits me and keeps going. You have to love bumper cars!

Then why are you playing it? If you "love" it so much?

I bought it to see if the graphics are good and it's cheaper now. So the graphics are pretty good and the driving is very good but like I said there is no damage. Like people have said it's only a demo.

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#232 Nawshus
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So we gonna act like GT5's demo wasn't absolute garbage? :lol: FMS3 got sony shook and thats a fact. GT5 release date pushed back further than Tyra Banks hairline :lol:

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#233 Mr_Cumberdale
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Meh, not a big deal. Adrian_Cloud
Weather and night racing is a pretty big deal. That's like one of the vital points for racing to me. I get pretty bored of playing in clear daylight - rainy night courses would spice things up.
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#234 Camer999
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So we gonna act like GT5's demo wasn't absolute garbage? :lol: FMS3 got sony shook and thats a fact. GT5 release date pushed back further than Tyra Banks hairline :lol:

Nawshus

Lmao good one, PD gotta take NOTES!! (literally lol)

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#235 muzik_mafia
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="muzik_mafia"]

wow, WOW, you did not just say that.

clubsammich91

According to Turn 10, Polyphony Digital handed them the torch :|

What is this torch you speak of?

You know... the torch... of NUMBER ONE EPIC RACING GAMING DEV!!!!!

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#236 Oscar-Wilde
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Wow, what a poor game...

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#237 Couth_
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I don't see how anyone can argue that either GT or Forza has better physics. To really know you would have had to test out every single car in the game and every single track in real life to know. And even then the result may vary. Forza's Ferrari F430 might be more realistic than GT's, then GT's Corvette Z06 might be more realistic than Forza's, etc. And how the car is tuned would probably impact that as well. They also have slightly different representations of the same track, like the Suzuka Circuit. Which one is right? Pretty fanboyish to argue that, because truthfully only a handful of people could know for sure.
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#238 enygma500
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[QUOTE="Nawshus"]

So we gonna act like GT5's demo wasn't absolute garbage? :lol: FMS3 got sony shook and thats a fact. GT5 release date pushed back further than Tyra Banks hairline :lol:

Camer999

Lmao good one, PD gotta take NOTES!! (literally lol)

You know, to say that prologue sucked, you would have had to actually played it.

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#239 dream431ca
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Wow. See, this is why you don't RUSH a game. Even PGR3-4 had night time racing, even GT2 has night racing! Weather is difficult to implement in these types of games, but PGR4 had weather! Good thing about rushed games, you get it sooner. The bad thing is some things you wanted will not be in the game.

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#240 enygma500
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="thelastguy"]

Well I am sure GT5 will have all those features

Is it worth the wait?

AdoringFan_

But GT5 wont have the feature that matters most,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,car damage.

GT5 has car damage. How about you watch the E3 09 video ;)

I see no damage in the video.

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#241 foxhound_fox
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Cool. When is GT5 coming out again? Oh that's right... we still don't know. Forza 3 comes out in October. And those are merely superficial aspects of the whole game (none "necessary" for a proper road racing game). Forza 3 will still provide a better, more accurate road-racing experience... and do it way sooner.

EDIT: Oh yes, and if you want rally, get a proper rally simulator like DiRT 2 (which is also coming out this fall). Its better to have a racing game concentrate on one type of racing and do it superbly instead of try and do them all and end up doing none of them well.

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#242 dream431ca
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Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

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#243 santoron
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Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.Adrian_Cloud
R u serious? Turn 10 has pointed to PD and GT5 in particular over and over. If ANYONE believes there's a competition between the two games, it is Turn 10.
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#244 enygma500
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Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

dream431ca

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

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#245 Camer999
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

enygma500

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

No it comes with two disk but you install the second one on the HDD, it is like DLC they came no where to filling the second one.

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#246 DeadMagazines
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I'll take all the other features and enjoy them, you won't even know they are missing when playing it anyways, unless you can't get it and still waiting for GT5 of course.
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#247 freakbabyblues-
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

enygma500

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

It's confirmed. You swap after lap 2 on all tracks. . . . . . . . . . . No disk swapping. The second disk is all EXTRA content.
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#248 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

enygma500

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

GT2 for the Playstation came with 2 disks. Disk one was for the "Arcade" and disk two was the GT mode.

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#249 SpinoRaptor24
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

enygma500

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

The second disc has extra content like tracks, vehicles etc which you install on your HDD.

So there won't be any disc swapping.

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#250 santoron
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[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"] GT has no damange modelling, and no in-depth car editor.-Snooze-

How do you know? You havent played the game..

And who's to say Forza wont have all the things argued about here at release? I doubt GT will have an in-depth car editior of the likes of Forza.

Not just a fanboyish response... but an incredibly lazy fanboy response. The whole thread is about Forza's developers saying they won't be in the game. But I suppose you know best...:roll: