Forza 3: No weather, night racing, or rally

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#251 mitu123
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People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

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#252 dream431ca
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People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

mitu123

I wouldn't call that disk swapping. Just 2 different modes on each disk. For example while playing the GT mode disk you don't have to swap disks to race on a specific track.

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#253 enygma500
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[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, the game comes with 2 DVDs, that's almost 20 gigs. You would think the developer could implement the features they wanted with that huge amount of space.

Camer999

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

No it comes with two disk but you install the second one on the HDD, it is like DLC they came no where to filling the second one.

That's no better then the PS3's installs now...actually a little worse as PS3 usually just installs a few textures and what-not. Now they're starting to install tracks and content that wont fit on the first disc.

I would imagine GT 5 will have a pretty hefty install too though. given the size of the game(based off GT4's car list and tracks list)

At least they avoided disc swapping though. but now that means it's a game tat you can't simply pop in and play whenever(think 2 years down the line...). you need to worry about HDD space. And being limited to HDD sizes, that's a little anoying. Wonder how big the install is.

BTW thanx for clearing that up.

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#254 enygma500
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People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

mitu123

different physics engines on each disc isn't exactly disc swapping...but whatever you need to try to justify something that should be a thing of the past.

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#255 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

dream431ca

I wouldn't call that disk swapping. Just 2 different modes on each disk. For example while playing the GT mode disk you don't have to swap disks to race on a specific track.

True, but people still complain about having 2 discs in a racing game.
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#256 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

enygma500

No it comes with two disk but you install the second one on the HDD, it is like DLC they came no where to filling the second one.

That's no better then the PS3's installs now...actually a little worse as PS3 usually just installs a few textures and what-not. Now they're starting to install tracks and content that wont fit on the first disc.

I would imagine GT 5 will have a pretty hefty install too though. given the size of the game(based off GT4's car list and tracks list)

At least they avoided disc swapping though. but now that means it's a game tat you can't simply pop in and play whenever(think 2 years down the line...). you need to worry about HDD space. And being limited to HDD sizes, that's a little anoying. Wonder how big the install is.

BTW thanx for clearing that up.

In other words, Blu-ray IS needed for Forza 3 LOL

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#257 santoron
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[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] But GT5 wont have the feature that matters most,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,car damage.Camer999

GT5 has car damage. How about you watch the E3 09 video ;)

It is a concept video.... and I heard the damage would only be for Rally & nascar, correct me if I am wrong....

You may have heard that, but not from PD... they haven't said anything about it yet.

Seems not talking about the game is becoming a theme with PD these days :P

But the rumor about only some types of racing having damage comes from fanboy speculation and nothing more. It would be nice if PD would clarify the situation for us....

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#258 foxhound_fox
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I wouldn't call that disk swapping. Just 2 different modes on each disk. For example while playing the GT mode disk you don't have to swap disks to race on a specific track.

dream431ca


You still have to swap the disc if you want to go between simulation and arcade mode. In order to load a different portion of the game, you needed to switch discs. That is disc swapping. What Forza 3 does, is not.

In other words, Blu-ray IS needed for Forza 3 LOL

dream431ca


If it were, MS would have delayed the release of Forza 3, released a Blu-ray addon and then put the game on Blu-ray. In reality, they just decided to use an HDD install instead.

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#259 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]I wouldn't call that disk swapping. Just 2 different modes on each disk. For example while playing the GT mode disk you don't have to swap disks to race on a specific track.

foxhound_fox


You still have to swap the disc if you want to go between simulation and arcade mode. In order to load a different portion of the game, you needed to switch discs. That is disc swapping. What Forza 3 does, is not.

In other words, Blu-ray IS needed for Forza 3 LOL

dream431ca


If it were, MS would have delayed the release of Forza 3, released a Blu-ray addon and then put the game on Blu-ray. In reality, they just decided to use an HDD install instead.

I wasn't that serious. I was joking on the fact that they needed a second disk because they couldn't fit everything on one disk.

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#260 enygma500
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]I wouldn't call that disk swapping. Just 2 different modes on each disk. For example while playing the GT mode disk you don't have to swap disks to race on a specific track.

foxhound_fox


You still have to swap the disc if you want to go between simulation and arcade mode. In order to load a different portion of the game, you needed to switch discs. That is disc swapping. What Forza 3 does, is not.

In other words, Blu-ray IS needed for Forza 3 LOL

dream431ca


If it were, MS would have delayed the release of Forza 3, released a Blu-ray addon and then put the game on Blu-ray. In reality, they just decided to use an HDD install instead.

NO they wouldn't, do you know how much of their fanbase would be isolated by doing that? lol. They said before that they could have done it with HD-DVD, but would not do it because not everyone would own the HD-DVD player.

As for damage modelling in GT5, last I heard not all cars will be able to be damaged. basically the lower end vehicle will and the nicer more exotic cars wont.

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#261 foxhound_fox
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NO they wouldn't, do you know how much of their fanbase would be isolated by doing that? lol. They said before that they could have done it with HD-DVD, but would not do it because not everyone would own the HD-DVD player.

As for damage modelling in GT5, last I heard not all cars will be able to be damaged. basically the lower end vehicle will and the nicer more exotic cars wont.

enygma500


You missed the point. They would only do that if Blu-ray was "needed" for the game to work.

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#262 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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forza 3: realistic damage which (edit) Affects the race. :)

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#263 muzik_mafia
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People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

mitu123

Well this is the age of BLU RAY 8) so we do complain.

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#264 DeadMagazines
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

People still complaining about disc swapping in a racing game when the best and non overrated GT game known as GT2 had it...:lol:

muzik_mafia

Well this is the age of BLU RAY 8) so we do complain.

dvd's still outsell blu ray like crazy..its not even needed yet for the main purpose of its existence, movies..so saying games need it is ridiculous. There's maybe 3 games that have actually benefitted from blu ray, big deal :roll:
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#265 masiisam
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A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

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#267 Gismo25
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A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

masiisam

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

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#268 Adrian_Cloud
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A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

masiisam
Yes it would, all the data would fit on one disc.
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#269 Gismo25
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

wait, changing discs in a racing game...r u serious. cause if that's true...that's just a fail on ALL lemmings parts. If I ever see that confirmed, I'm gonna throw the "blu-ray is not needed" arguement in their faces so fast.

enygma500

No it comes with two disk but you install the second one on the HDD, it is like DLC they came no where to filling the second one.

That's no better then the PS3's installs now...actually a little worse as PS3 usually just installs a few textures and what-not. Now they're starting to install tracks and content that wont fit on the first disc.

I would imagine GT 5 will have a pretty hefty install too though. given the size of the game(based off GT4's car list and tracks list)

At least they avoided disc swapping though. but now that means it's a game tat you can't simply pop in and play whenever(think 2 years down the line...). you need to worry about HDD space. And being limited to HDD sizes, that's a little anoying. Wonder how big the install is.

BTW thanx for clearing that up.

You can bet that GT5 will either not have an install or it will be very small. How many first party PS3 exclusives have had an install over 500MB?

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#270 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

Gismo25

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

They are shafted.
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#271 Odrec
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

Gismo25

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

They get owned!
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#272 freakbabyblues-
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[QUOTE="Gismo25"]

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

They only get their money's worth, where as those with a hard drive get more for their money.
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#273 deactivated-619c4c1a1a382
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wait if i want to do a 24 hour le-mans... no night... Thats... upsetting to say the least
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#274 Jrfanfreak88
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[QUOTE="wdave92"]wait if i want to do a 24 hour le-mans... no night... Thats... upsetting to say the least

Well hey at least the physics will be AWESOME. I mean it's not like it rains or turns from day to night to day during a 24 hour race ya know? Being accurate about race conditions is not as important as how good the car feels ;)
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#275 DeadMagazines
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="wdave92"]wait if i want to do a 24 hour le-mans... no night... Thats... upsetting to say the least

Well hey at least the physics will be AWESOME. I mean it's not like it rains or turns from day to night to day during a 24 hour race ya know? Being accurate about race conditions is not as important as how good the car feels ;)

I would rather have a smooth game across all tracks and game modes with no rain/night rather than a game with sloppy controls that has night and rain effects that are effectively pointless.
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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"][QUOTE="wdave92"]wait if i want to do a 24 hour le-mans... no night... Thats... upsetting to say the least

Well hey at least the physics will be AWESOME. I mean it's not like it rains or turns from day to night to day during a 24 hour race ya know? Being accurate about race conditions is not as important as how good the car feels ;)

I would rather have a smooth game across all tracks and game modes with no rain/night rather than a game with sloppy controls that has night and rain effects that are effectively pointless.

i could care less about rain, Give me my night sequence so that i can properly run 24 hour le-mans as a race. If you don't know how this would work imagine going into the pits and saying you want to save and quit so that you could continue on later, The epicness of that race would be incredible
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#277 foxhound_fox
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So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

Gismo25


They can buy one off eBay for $30.

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#278 blues35301
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Meh, even without said features, it'll still be better than the competition. Some rain would be nice, though.

BioShockOwnz
You really think it will top gt5? No forza game has ever been as good as GT3. People always compare forza 1 and gt4 but gt4 was just a gt3 with a few other things leading to low reviews.
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#279 STRETCH-E
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Forza 3 will still provide a better, more accurate road-racing experience...foxhound_fox

Why do people say this when they haven't played either game?

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#280 Episode_Eve
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Just for some who didn't know that this was confirmed for GT5...

http://www.gtplanet.net/weather-changes-night-racing-in-gran-turismo-5/

  • "Kazunori Yamauchi: We are also working with high live close to a graphic representation for rain and night."
  • "We are working on it, including weather changes, a race which may affect index. And damage to racing cars we will soon be able to simulate."

Funny translation, but it's confirmed.

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#281 foxhound_fox
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Why do people say this when they haven't played either game?

STRETCH-E


Based on past releases (GT5P coming out after Forza 2), it has been shown Forza is the superior series. Unless that changes, it will continue to succeed.

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#282 enygma500
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[QUOTE="enygma500"]NO they wouldn't, do you know how much of their fanbase would be isolated by doing that? lol. They said before that they could have done it with HD-DVD, but would not do it because not everyone would own the HD-DVD player.

As for damage modelling in GT5, last I heard not all cars will be able to be damaged. basically the lower end vehicle will and the nicer more exotic cars wont.

foxhound_fox


You missed the point. They would only do that if Blu-ray was "needed" for the game to work.

Blu-ray is just a large storage format. When everyone say's blu-ray is needed it's to avoid having more then one disc or in this case installing 1/4 of the game on the HDD...if you even have one. Saying blu-ray is needed has nothing to do with any specific formats the disc may use, it's strictly for storage.

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#283 nhh18
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Not my biggest complaint. My biggest complain is that they had worse bullshots pictures than gt5. Which is hard to do.

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#284 STRETCH-E
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it has been shown Forza is the superior seriesfoxhound_fox

How?

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#285 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]it has been shown Forza is the superior seriesSTRETCH-E

How?

Yes I would like an explanation as well.

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#286 LordDhampire
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Meh, not a big deal. Also pretty old news. They really aren't trying to compete with GT5, i hope people realize this.Adrian_Cloud

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=75909&page=1

seems to me like they are

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#287 Episode_Eve
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A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

masiisam
I'm a bit confused... If the 360 used Blu-ray, players would have access to all of the content even without a HDD. The second disc only serves as a data transfer to the HDD so the fist disc can access it content. I'm assuming the storage capacity on a BR disc would be enough for all the content.
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#288 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]Why do people say this when they haven't played either game?

foxhound_fox


Based on past releases (GT5P coming out after Forza 2), it has been shown Forza is the superior series. Unless that changes, it will continue to succeed.

Well, GT5P wasn't really a "game" when you think about it. I don't want to get into a huge argument about what exactly GT5P was. But lets use GT4 as an example.

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#289 nhh18
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compared to this

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#290 Camer999
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compared to this

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nhh18

Lmao, nice try at making forza look like a blurry mess.

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#291 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

compared to this

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Camer999

Lmao, nice try at making forza look like a blurry mess.

Dude. GT5 is as bas as this. I mean I never want to see a replay video again.

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#292 freakbabyblues-
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

compared to this

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Camer999

Lmao, nice try at making forza look like a blurry mess.

The top one's from a compressed video. Higher quality vids look very similar to the lower pic.
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#293 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]Why do people say this when they haven't played either game?

clubsammich91


Based on past releases (GT5P coming out after Forza 2), it has been shown Forza is the superior series. Unless that changes, it will continue to succeed.

Well, GT5P wasn't really a "game" when you think about it. I don't want to get into a huge argument about what exactly GT5P was. But lets use GT4 as an example.

It's a game, but not full installment to the franchise. The only way I'd compare it to a FM release is if Turn 10 made a Forza: Prologue.

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#294 masiisam
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

Adrian_Cloud

Yes it would, all the data would fit on one disc.

Another swing and a miss...90% of PS3/BR games require an install to the HDD.....All the data on one disk makes no difference....I will tag this for later use..

Do you think GT5 will require an install?

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#295 Camer999
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

compared to this

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freakbabyblues-

Lmao, nice try at making forza look like a blurry mess.

The top one's from a compressed video. Higher quality vids look very similar to the lower pic.

If you are not trying to bash forza, what are you impling?

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#296 clubsammich91
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compared to this

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nhh18

LOL Nice try.

T

this is a GT5 pic

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#297 FonkeyMunky7
Member since 2007 • 439 Posts

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

GT5 wins?

Meowmixxvi

pretty much! always have and always will :D

Not according to ratings. Maybe in number of identical Nissan Skylines yes. :P
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#298 freakbabyblues-
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

Lmao, nice try at making forza look like a blurry mess.

The top one's from a compressed video. Higher quality vids look very similar to the lower pic.

If you are not trying to bash forza, what are you impling?

That the one who posted the pics failed yet again at bashing a game.
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#299 thelastguy
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this is a GT5 picclubsammich91
They were both Forza 3 pics, he was bashing it

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#300 nhh18
Member since 2009 • 6538 Posts

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compared to this

Image 5

clubsammich91

LOL Nice try.

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this is a GT5 pic

That is a bullshot too. Replay video is evil because it brings the cows, and lemmings to use lies.

This is what gt 5 prologue looked liek.