Forza 3: No weather, night racing, or rally

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

Episode_Eve

I agree the data would fit but would it still require an install was my point makes the topic about BR "needed" redundant ..Now a standard HDD...That is a whole another debate...

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

compared to this

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this is a GT5 pic

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]LOL Nice try.

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this is a GT5 pic

freakbabyblues-

Blu-ray is just a large storage format. When everyone say's blu-ray is needed it's to avoid having more then one disc or in this case installing 1/4 of the game on the HDD...if you even have one. Saying blu-ray is needed has nothing to do with any specific formats the disc may use, it's strictly for storage.enygma500

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

masiisam

I agree the data would fit but would it still require an install was my point makes the topic about BR "needed" redundant ..Now a standard HDD...That is a whole another debate...

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"][QUOTE="nhh18"]That is a bullshot too. Replay video is evil because it brings the cows, and lemmings to use lies.

nhh18

It is true and the pics of H3 are just at angles that compliment the game. They do not add better textures/polys. Replay of H3 just add 2xAA

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"] Replay= in-game with more AA.Camer999

It is true and the pics of H3 are just at angles that compliment the game. They do not add better textures/polys. Replay of H3 just add 2xAA

]That is not true. They could add lighting, add some better textures, among other things. But there is an obvious huge boost in the quality of the cars. Which is the same in gt 5 prologue. Photomode is the same thing. Halo 3 pictures look nothing like the in game stuff I see.nhh18

Yeah screenshots from replay mode are pretty much completely different renders than in game stuff.

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]That is not true. They could add lighting, add some better textures, among other things. But there is an obvious huge boost in the quality of the cars. Which is the same in gt 5 prologue. Photomode is the same thing. Halo 3 pictures look nothing like the in game stuff I see.

nhh18

It is true and the pics of H3 are just at angles that compliment the game. They do not add better textures/polys. Replay of H3 just add 2xAA

Nope, looks the same to me(fm3), and they say they are constantly improving GFX up to release, The build at E3 was an old Mid-may build.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Meh, even without said features, it'll still be better than the competition. Some rain would be nice, though.

AdoringFan_

Not surprised that your saying this because you favor the 360 waaaay too much :|

This is true.

A bit dissapointing that rain will not be included but im sure it will still be an awesome game.

[QUOTE="Gismo25"]

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

freakbabyblues-

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

And there it is...

SW always brings up the most entertaining angles....It's like debating "Well my 330Ci came with Ipod functionally. But no iPOD" THE SHAFTZZZZZ!!11!! or an Accord without GPS and the consumer complaining about not having GPS..OMG THE SHAFTZZZ!!21@!@!

The consumer knew what they were purchasing and they choose it because it suits their needs..now if THEIR needs change they will need to upgrade to an HDD.

It's no different than a 20 gig PS3 owner changing to a larger HDD because of all the required installs.....Same thing.... different channel..

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] I'm a bit confused... If the 360 used Blu-ray, players would have access to all of the content even without a HDD. The second disc only serves as a data transfer to the HDD so the fist disc can access it content. I'm assuming the storage capacity on a BR disc would be enough for all the content.Episode_Eve

I agree the data would fit but would it still require an install was my point makes the topic about BR "needed" redundant ..Now a standard HDD...That is a whole another debate...

I would think so...I am sure the next box will have a HDD standard...

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

It is true and the pics of H3 are just at angles that compliment the game. They do not add better textures/polys. Replay of H3 just add 2xAA

Camer999

Nope, looks the same to me(fm3), and they say they are constantly improving GFX up to release, The build at E3 was an old Mid-may build.

http://gamersyde.com/news_forza_3__sixty_images_per_second-8063_en.html

http://gamersyde.com/news_a_fresh_pair_and_video_from_forza_3-8196_en.html

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]I'm not trying to say anything but, no way. I mean look at the videos of gt5 prologue gameplay, forza 3 gameplay, compared to replay mode. There is obvious differences in detail on cars, and shaders and more detail on the enviroment. Unless those pictures are touched up they were nothing like the forza 3 game demo I saw at e3.

Nope, looks the same to me(fm3), and they say they are constantly improving GFX up to release, The build at E3 was an old Mid-may build.

http://gamersyde.com/news_forza_3__sixty_images_per_second-8063_en.html

http://gamersyde.com/news_a_fresh_pair_and_video_from_forza_3-8196_en.html

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

Nope, looks the same to me(fm3), and they say they are constantly improving GFX up to release, The build at E3 was an old Mid-may build.

freakbabyblues-

http://gamersyde.com/news_forza_3__sixty_images_per_second-8063_en.html

http://gamersyde.com/news_a_fresh_pair_and_video_from_forza_3-8196_en.html

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"][QUOTE="nhh18"]They don't look the same like the picture shows you. The mountains obviously has better shader effects. The cars have more detail. I mean that picture was a direct feed shot from the vdieo, and that picture was one of turn 10 enviroment pics from the replay mode. I can't believe you can't see the difference.

http://gamersyde.com/news_forza_3__sixty_images_per_second-8063_en.html

http://gamersyde.com/news_a_fresh_pair_and_video_from_forza_3-8196_en.html

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"][QUOTE="Gismo25"]

So what happens to the 360 owners without a hard drive?

masiisam

And there it is...

SW always brings up the most entertaining angles....It's like debating "Well my 330Ci came with Ipod functionally. But no iPOD" THE SHAFTZZZZZ!!11!! or an Accord without GPS and the consumer complaining about not having GPS..OMG THE SHAFTZZZ!!21@!@!

The consumer knew what they were purchasing and they choose it because it suits their needs..now if THEIR needs change they will need to upgrade to an HDD.

It's no different than a 20 gig PS3 owner changing to a larger HDD because of all the required installs.....Same thing.... different channel..

But games like KZ2 and Uncharted don't require any installs. And LBP, R2 no more than 600 MB. COD4 only 10MB. These are just popular examples though.

that sucks but im still gettin both this and gt 5

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="masiisam"]

A HDD is required to play the additional content on the 2nd disk.... It would make no difference if the disk was BR.....

masiisam

Another swing and a miss...90% of PS3/BR games require an install to the HDD.....All the data on one disk makes no difference....I will tag this for later use..

Do you think GT5 will require an install?

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Blu-ray is just a large storage format. When everyone say's blu-ray is needed it's to avoid having more then one disc or in this case installing 1/4 of the game on the HDD...if you even have one. Saying blu-ray is needed has nothing to do with any specific formats the disc may use, it's strictly for storage.foxhound_fox

Most of the game installs have to do with load times. In other words, the disc read speed for the Blu Ray laser is low so they add stuff to the HDD so it can load them faster. In fact I think one game, possibly Oblivion?, actually had two copies of the same game on one disc so it could load everything faster. So, I think it's more of a loading quickly issue than a problem fitting everything onto a single disc.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="freakbabyblues-"] They only get their money's worth, where as those with a hard drive get more for their money.Episode_Eve

And there it is...

SW always brings up the most entertaining angles....It's like debating "Well my 330Ci came with Ipod functionally. But no iPOD" THE SHAFTZZZZZ!!11!! or an Accord without GPS and the consumer complaining about not having GPS..OMG THE SHAFTZZZ!!21@!@!

The consumer knew what they were purchasing and they choose it because it suits their needs..now if THEIR needs change they will need to upgrade to an HDD.

It's no different than a 20 gig PS3 owner changing to a larger HDD because of all the required installs.....Same thing.... different channel..

But games like KZ2 and Uncharted don't require any installs. And LBP, R2 no more than 600 MB. COD4 only 10MB. These are just popular examples though.

Sure and I understand what you are saying....but for the folks that like to revisit older games it makes it really inconvenient to delete the installs...For that consumer that requires the additional space..A larger HDD is in order...

What I mean by that is...If the consumer felt that they can manage their storage/music/videos.....delete the installs.....keep there cycle of games to 4-5 ..Then the 20 gig is just fine.....but it's like the same person complaining about having to do all those things when they knew the 60 gig was available...They made the choice to go with the 20 gig......they have to deal with the inconvenience or upgrade..

Same thing with the Arcade...The same consumer cant download any DLC..store music or videos Etc on the system.....They knew this from the beginning...If their needs have changed and they want to experience more.... they need to upgrade...

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Yes it would, all the data would fit on one disc. Jrfanfreak88

Another swing and a miss...90% of PS3/BR games require an install to the HDD.....All the data on one disk makes no difference....I will tag this for later use..

Do you think GT5 will require an install?

:evil:..errrrr...I know...;)

Oh come on now don't be naive! How can having WRC and NASCAR NOT make the game better?! Jrfanfreak88

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

And there it is...

SW always brings up the most entertaining angles....It's like debating "Well my 330Ci came with Ipod functionally. But no iPOD" THE SHAFTZZZZZ!!11!! or an Accord without GPS and the consumer complaining about not having GPS..OMG THE SHAFTZZZ!!21@!@!

The consumer knew what they were purchasing and they choose it because it suits their needs..now if THEIR needs change they will need to upgrade to an HDD.

It's no different than a 20 gig PS3 owner changing to a larger HDD because of all the required installs.....Same thing.... different channel..

masiisam

But games like KZ2 and Uncharted don't require any installs. And LBP, R2 no more than 600 MB. COD4 only 10MB. These are just popular examples though.

Sure and I understand what you are saying....but for the folks that like to revisit older games it makes it really inconvenient to delete the installs...For that consumer that requires the additional space..A larger HDD is in order...

What I mean by that is...If the consumer felt that they can manage their storage/music/videos.....delete the installs.....keep there cycle of games to 4-5 ..Then the 20 gig is just fine.....but it's like the same person complaining about having to do all those things when they knew the 60 gig was available...They made the choice to go with the 20 gig......they have to deal with the inconvenience or upgrade..

Same thing with the Arcade...The same consumer cant download any DLC..store music or videos Etc on the system.....They knew this from the beginning...If their needs have changed and they want to experience more.... they need to upgrade...

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Turn 10 is saying no such thing. Since when were Nascar and WRC integration required for a racing sim? GT5 has them, that's great, but that does not mean it will be the better game by any means. Jrfanfreak88

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]Oh come on now don't be naive! How can having WRC and NASCAR NOT make the game better?! foxhound_fox

Dude anything is better than the crud EA sports put out for NASCAR games (which this crud wouldn't be a big deal if EA had not bought out the rights for NASCAR games). I've been playing NASCAR games since Bill Elliott's racing on the original Nintendo and lately there has not been any good NASCAR games to really sink your teeth into. The last greatest game was NASCAR Dirt to Daytona on PS2, came out in like 2003 or 2004. You guys are the ones being naive because you think having WRC and NASCAR mean nothing at all. The difference between my argument and yours is that with yours you don't know if it's true until GT5 is out and can be judged. Your assumption about the quality of the game is just an assumption. You have no idea what the quality will be. Nobody does until it has been played, but until then we can't say one way or the other. On the other hand, I know for a fact that tons of NASCAR fans are going to buy GT5 for NASCAR regardless of how well it's been implemented compared to real life. I know because there's a group of us already getting ready for it. Go to the EA Sports NASCAR forum and you'll see guys on there are excited about GT5 as well just because it has NASCAR in it. And considering how EA has treated the NASCAR franchise for the past 5 years I can just about guarantee you that PD couldn't possibly do any worse than they have. I never said that more=better, but you can bet your rear end that I am saying NASCAR=better and WRC=better. My guess is that race fans (these are also people who happen to buy a lot of racing games) are going to agree with me.

Oh no now my car cant get wet!!!! but seriously not that big a deal

Oh no now my car cant get wet!!!! but seriously not that big a deal

Lief_Ericson

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

If one racing sim is offering these things and comes out first, it sets the bar higher for other sim coming out. If FM3 makes it out before GT5 then it's score wont be affected at all. If GT5 comes out first, then FM3 may lose .5-1 for not having them.

ZoomZoom2490

But if FM3 has better physics, what component is more important?

How can you have a credible sim without weather?. May as well remove every cloud from the sky as in the world of Forza there is no such thing as rain clouds. I like driving in the wet in games, it adds realism. PGR4 was a far better game for it. I like driving at night in games, GRID had some excellent night races.

Team 10 hav come out at E3 with fighting talk about how they own the console racing sim genre, then they drop two massive things from the game and lose most of the credibility they had. Talk about setting the bar low, at least GT5 is ambitious. And that's the whole bloody point. We already have Forza 2, we don't need a slight update.

You can say it don't matter, well it does matter, it matters a lot, it shows they don't have confidence in their ability to make the best racing game they can. GT5 wins by default. I don't care about the system wars BS, I own all three platforms. I just care about the games. And hearing this has made me wonder why they even bothered with Forza 3.

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]Oh come on now don't be naive! How can having WRC and NASCAR NOT make the game better?! foxhound_fox

Yeah but when you consider how long theyve spent making the game. Its pretty clear that polyphone is goin for Quantity AND quality.

How can you have a credible sim without weather?. May as well remove every cloud from the sky as in the world of Forza there is no such thing as rain clouds. I like driving in the wet in games, it adds realism. PGR4 was a far better game for it. I like driving at night in games, GRID had some excellent night races.

Team 10 hav come out at E3 with fighting talk about how they own the console racing sim genre, then they drop two massive things from the game and lose most of the credibility they had. Talk about setting the bar low, at least GT5 is ambitious. And that's the whole bloody point. We already have Forza 2, we don't need a slight update.

You can say it don't matter, well it does matter, it matters a lot, it shows they don't have confidence in their ability to make the best racing game they can. GT5 wins by default. I don't care about the system wars BS, I own all three platforms. I just care about the games. And hearing this has made me wonder why they even bothered with Forza 3.

_SniperFox_

Both Iracing and Rfactor did not have weather at launch...So are they not SIMS as well?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]Oh come on now don't be naive! How can having WRC and NASCAR NOT make the game better?! Jrfanfreak88

Dude anything is better than the crud EA sports put out for NASCAR games (which this crud wouldn't be a big deal if EA had not bought out the rights for NASCAR games). I've been playing NASCAR games since Bill Elliott's racing on the original Nintendo and lately there has not been any good NASCAR games to really sink your teeth into. The last greatest game was NASCAR Dirt to Daytona on PS2, came out in like 2003 or 2004. You guys are the ones being naive because you think having WRC and NASCAR mean nothing at all. The difference between my argument and yours is that with yours you don't know if it's true until GT5 is out and can be judged. Your assumption about the quality of the game is just an assumption. You have no idea what the quality will be. Nobody does until it has been played, but until then we can't say one way or the other. On the other hand, I know for a fact that tons of NASCAR fans are going to buy GT5 for NASCAR regardless of how well it's been implemented compared to real life. I know because there's a group of us already getting ready for it. Go to the EA Sports NASCAR forum and you'll see guys on there are excited about GT5 as well just because it has NASCAR in it. And considering how EA has treated the NASCAR franchise for the past 5 years I can just about guarantee you that PD couldn't possibly do any worse than they have. I never said that more=better, but you can bet your rear end that I am saying NASCAR=better and WRC=better. My guess is that race fans (these are also people who happen to buy a lot of racing games) are going to agree with me.

lol, this is better than gran turismo how?

I agree o the comment that Turn 10 wants to compete with the gt series.

No night racing and no rally racing is fine with me, there is going to be a drift mode in Forza which I im pretty sure is gonna surprise everyone on how accurate it is, not only that it also catters to the younger racing fans. quote me on that.

goes to show gt5>>>>f3 :P

lol, this is better than gran turismo how?

NICKKELANIUS

By cow knowledge killzone 2is betterthan HALO 3 because that graphics are better!

By cow knowledge gt5 will have better graphics than Forza Motorsports 3 so gran turismo wins because of better graphics!

[QUOTE="NICKKELANIUS"]

lol, this is better than gran turismo how?

_Peoples_Champ_

The Killzone vs H3 thing is fact. The GT5 vs. FM3 i dunno but FM3 seem to be more technically impressive.

[QUOTE="_Peoples_Champ_"][QUOTE="NICKKELANIUS"]

lol, this is better than gran turismo how?

Camer999

The Killzone vs H3 thing is fact. The GT5 vs. FM3 i dunno but FM3 seem to be more technically impressive.

So killzone 2 is better than HALO 3 because it has better graphics???

[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]Oh come on now don't be naive! How can having WRC and NASCAR NOT make the game better?! foxhound_fox

Ever thought it's taking so loong to produce GT5 is because they're creating 3 Spectacular things at once. They're basically creating 3 games. It's taken them about 5 years. It took that much time for forza to put out three games itself. Think about that.