Forza 4 Vs. Gran Turismo 5 graphics: Top Gear Test Track

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#1 Reiko2K1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9469de5FPxc

Is it me... Or is GT5 looking really sterile in this comparison? 2D trees goes without saying though.Shadow jaggies seem harsher in GT5 too.

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#2 MFDOOM1983
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480p youtube videos?
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480p youtube videos?MFDOOM1983

Viewing on a LCD monitor?

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#4 MFDOOM1983
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Horizontal splitscreen with "720p" quality would have been better.
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It will be a while before we get any direct feed HD comparisons, but that video clearly shows the difference in lighting and the movement of each in cockpit view. All I can say is after playing GT5 pretty extensively, the direct feed gameplay footage I've seen of FM4 has completely blown GT5 out of the water in the graphics (like this one at 4:50 in: http://youtu.be/-Zsuz5F_9NU?t=4m50s).
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#6 chathuranga
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That's really weird... GT 5 looks so much better than that video when I play it. I must've gotten a defective copy. :roll:

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#7 Martin_G_N
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WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

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#8 MFDOOM1983
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WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

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#9 Reiko2K1
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WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

Martin_G_N

It's called the sun reflecting off the road. Go outside and look for yourself.

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WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

Martin_G_N
You know the sun? Well it shines off the road surface from time to time :roll:
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#11 racing1750
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It will be a while before we get any direct feed HD comparisons, but that video clearly shows the difference in lighting and the movement of each in cockpit view. All I can say is after playing GT5 pretty extensively, the direct feed gameplay footage I've seen of FM4 has completely blown GT5 out of the water in the graphics (like this one at 4:50 in: http://youtu.be/-Zsuz5F_9NU?t=4m50s).daviwinn

Agreed. I really need more FM4 info to get hyped even more :D

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#12 Martin_G_N
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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

MFDOOM1983

Ehh, I was talking about the top gear test track, not some random road somewhere. It just looks like they are making it more shiny to make it look better, rather than making it realistic. I have no doubt that overall Forza 4 will look better than GT5.
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#13 MFDOOM1983
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top gear track doesn't use asphalt?

Sun glare doesn't exist in gt5.

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#14 Reiko2K1
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Forza 4 seems to have better shadow quality in the cockpit

Compare:

Forza 4

http://youtu.be/-Zsuz5F_9NU?t=4m50s

GT5

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_gran_turismo_5_tgs_laguna_seca-17201_en.html

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It will be a while before we get any direct feed HD comparisons, but that video clearly shows the difference in lighting and the movement of each in cockpit view. All I can say is after playing GT5 pretty extensively, the direct feed gameplay footage I've seen of FM4 has completely blown GT5 out of the water in the graphics (like this one at 4:50 in: http://youtu.be/-Zsuz5F_9NU?t=4m50s).daviwinn
Naw. Still something plastic-y about Forza in #4. From what I've seen, I should say. That isn't to say it doesn't look better than GT5 overall. I just think GT5's premium cars seem to have more life-like detail. That is, when you ignore the NES-ish shadow jaggies, LOL
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#16 racing1750
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top gear track doesn't use asphalt?

Sun glare doesn't exist in gt5.

MFDOOM1983

Amazing that FM4 is even surpassing GT5 in the graphics depatment too.

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#17 daviwinn
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Ehh, I was talking about the top gear test track, not some random road somewhere. It just looks like they are making it more shiny to make it look better, rather than making it realistic. I have no doubt that overall Forza 4 will look better than GT5. Martin_G_N
Believe it or not, the sun does occassionally break through the clouds in England, and when it does I can assure you the asphalt it shiny. Stop grasping at straws there friend.
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#18 RR360DD
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Yuk, GT5 looks horrible in comparison
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[QUOTE="daviwinn"]It will be a while before we get any direct feed HD comparisons, but that video clearly shows the difference in lighting and the movement of each in cockpit view. All I can say is after playing GT5 pretty extensively, the direct feed gameplay footage I've seen of FM4 has completely blown GT5 out of the water in the graphics (like this one at 4:50 in: http://youtu.be/-Zsuz5F_9NU?t=4m50s).TruthBToldShow
Naw. Still something plastic-y about Forza in #4. From what I've seen, I should say. That isn't to say it doesn't look better than GT5 overall. I just think GT5's premium cars seem to have more life-like detail. That is, when you ignore the NES-ish shadow jaggies, LOL

The video I posted disagrees. Forza 4 has the premium car GT5 detail and shaders,better shadow detailAND detailed environments. Plus with the added effect of lighting glistening off the cars. An effect last seen in Sega GT.

Look at the trees on that track... Not only are they in3D... They sway in the wind. It makes the track look alive and less sterile.

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can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

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can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

Afrikanxl

I hope this one is blatant for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

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can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

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#23 SRTtoZ
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You cant tell CRAP from that shi##y video...

Split decision.

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#24 racing1750
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[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

CorbraMax

I hope this one is blatant for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

It's amazing how people will nitpick to the extreme.
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#25 Reiko2K1
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You cant tell CRAP from that shi##y video...

Split decision.

SRTtoZ

Well I posted a higher quality comparison... And the difference is quite evident.

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[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

The videos not a 1:1 comparison, the cars are in different places ion the track. Look at 1:52, you can see the plane in FM4. They do appear to be in slightly different spots though, but my experience with planes is that they move from time to time ;) In this video comparison (real life vs FM4) you can see it appears to be in the correct location: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv2TDDQYF8s
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I might have to pick up a cheap as used 360 to play this game. It will be the only game I get for the console haha.

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#28 marklarmer
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i assume the people crying for better quality videos aren't hoping GT5 to look any better, have you actually driven around TTGTT in GT5? Better quality video comparisons will only make the difference more obvious :?

can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

Afrikanxl

hmm what a shame....also i don't see any campervans in Forza 4....

oh no wait you can see it in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

although it does seem to be lacking the horrendously low render quality seen in GT5 such as the near-hexagonal engines, but i guess we'll have to make do :(

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#29 Afrikanxl
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[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

can anyone spot the Huge Plane in the Forza version?

both times it didn't pop up, where as GT5 it is plain to see. :|

racing1750

I hope this one is blatant for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

It's amazing how people will nitpick to the extreme.

well, good thing you have never criticized GT5 with any nitpicking.....where as I see alot of Forza fans who do.

besides, wasn't trying to nitpick...I think the fact I couldn't notice the huge plane on the track from that initial footage proves a point some in here have tried to make. That footage is not a good comparison for either game.

thankx racing1750 for the video.

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#30 racing1750
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[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

I hope this one is blatant for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

Afrikanxl

It's amazing how people will nitpick to the extreme.

well, good thing you have never criticized GT5 with any nitpicking.....where as I see alot of Forza fans who do.

besides, wasn't trying to nitpick...I think the fact I couldn't notice the huge plane on the track from that initial footage proves a point some in here have tried to make. That footage is not a good comparison for either game.

thankx racing1750 for the video.

I didn't supply the video, cobra did.
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They weren't even using the same car
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#32 Reiko2K1
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Replay Comparison

Forza 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l68z3XzySMQ&feature=related

In this comparison the Ferrari 458 in GT5 doesn't blend into the track well. Sun glares should be reflecting off the road too. Of course, the track appears to look more flat in GT5. There are impressive tracks in GT5 though, like Madrid and London for example.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9469de5FPxc

Is it me... Or is GT5 looking really sterile in this comparison? 2D trees goes without saying though.Shadow jaggies seem harsher in GT5 too.

CorbraMax
the top gear track is probably the ugliest in the game. Looks worse than the tracks from GT3. Why make a thread?
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#34 chaplainDMK
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Replay Comparison

Forza 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2Bc5aK9Mc&feature=related

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l68z3XzySMQ&feature=related

CorbraMax
Well in replays GT beats Forza, but the ingame footage from F4 was impressive. Especialy the shading. But I'm not gonna pass judgment based on a offscreen video.
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#35 Reiko2K1
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[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9469de5FPxc

Is it me... Or is GT5 looking really sterile in this comparison? 2D trees goes without saying though.Shadow jaggies seem harsher in GT5 too.

lucky_star

the top gear track is probably the ugliest in the game. Looks worse than the tracks from GT3. Why make a thread?

The Top Gear Track IS a Premium GT5 track. Since it was created specifically for GT5, like Madrid and London, or Tokyo.

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#36 racing1750
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[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9469de5FPxc

Is it me... Or is GT5 looking really sterile in this comparison? 2D trees goes without saying though.Shadow jaggies seem harsher in GT5 too.

lucky_star
the top gear track is probably the ugliest in the game. Looks worse than the tracks from GT3. Why make a thread?

To show how much better T10 are at recreating tracks? Let's not pretend if this was the next GT game, cows wouldn't do the same.
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#37 Kashiwaba
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So Lems didnt learn from their past mistakes this feels like 2009 all over again when lems were hyping Forza 3 graphics all day and when the demo was released everyone was shocked.

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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

MFDOOM1983

Yes that does happen. But not at Top Gear.
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WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

Martin_G_N
ashpalt reflects some light, so they've got it right. GT5 on the other hand has no reflections at all, which is unrealistic. If you don't believe me, go outside on a sunny day day and look at roads, the smoother the better.
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#40 navyguy21
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So Lems didnt learn from their past mistakes this feels like 2009 all over again when lems were hyping Forza 3 graphics all day and when the demo was released everyone was shocked.

Kashiwaba
As were cows when GT5 was released :| And flopped :| It goes both ways dude
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#41 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So Lems didnt learn from their past mistakes this feels like 2009 all over again when lems were hyping Forza 3 graphics all day and when the demo was released everyone was shocked.

navyguy21

As were cows when GT5 was released :| And flopped :| It goes both ways dude

Yup but this thread is for lems when cows start hyping GT6 graphics I will say that to them.

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#42 KevinnButlerNPK
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So Lems didnt learn from their past mistakes this feels like 2009 all over again when lems were hyping Forza 3 graphics all day and when the demo was released everyone was shocked.

Kashiwaba

As were cows when GT5 was released :| And flopped :| It goes both ways dude

Yup but this thread is for lems when cows start hyping GT6 graphics I will say that to them.

I don't think most of them will still be around 6 years from now....

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#43 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

So Lems didnt learn from their past mistakes this feels like 2009 all over again when lems were hyping Forza 3 graphics all day and when the demo was released everyone was shocked.

Kashiwaba

As were cows when GT5 was released :| And flopped :| It goes both ways dude

Yup but this thread is for lems when cows start hyping GT6 graphics I will say that to them.

lol, yea right. this thread isnt for either.
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not all pavement shines........especially not the top gear track. You would know this if you actually watched the show.

Typical forza overgloss confirmed.

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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

PernicioEnigma

ashpalt reflects some light, so they've got it right. GT5 on the other hand has no reflections at all, which is unrealistic. If you don't believe me, go outside on a sunny day day and look at roads, the smoother the better.

You've got it wrong. GT5 is true to the track.

Observe the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E

The track is grey and gets greyer in the sun. The asphalt there is nowhere near as dark and shiny as Forza 4's.

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[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

WOW, when did the Top Gear test track get the shiny plastic asphalt, like in Forza 4??

Zero_epyon

ashpalt reflects some light, so they've got it right. GT5 on the other hand has no reflections at all, which is unrealistic. If you don't believe me, go outside on a sunny day day and look at roads, the smoother the better.

You've got it wrong. GT5 is true to the track.

Observe the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E

The track is grey and gets greyer in the sun. The asphalt there is nowhere near as dark and shiny as Forza 4's.

you chose a video where it was cloudy weather.......to prove that the sun doesnt reflect off the road? :|
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#47 KC_Hokie
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I'm not a racing fan at all but I will say graphically Forza 4 blows away GT5.
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#48 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] ashpalt reflects some light, so they've got it right. GT5 on the other hand has no reflections at all, which is unrealistic. If you don't believe me, go outside on a sunny day day and look at roads, the smoother the better.navyguy21

You've got it wrong. GT5 is true to the track.

Observe the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E

The track is grey and gets greyer in the sun. The asphalt there is nowhere near as dark and shiny as Forza 4's.

you chose a video where it was cloudy weather.......to prove that the sun doesnt reflect off the road? :|

No I picked this video to show that this track is not as dark as Forza shows it to be. Therefore, in direct sunlight in dry conditions, it can only get lighter, not dark and shiny.
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#49 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] ashpalt reflects some light, so they've got it right. GT5 on the other hand has no reflections at all, which is unrealistic. If you don't believe me, go outside on a sunny day day and look at roads, the smoother the better.navyguy21

You've got it wrong. GT5 is true to the track.

Observe the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E

The track is grey and gets greyer in the sun. The asphalt there is nowhere near as dark and shiny as Forza 4's.

you chose a video where it was cloudy weather.......to prove that the sun doesnt reflect off the road? :|

Here's some sun. It's hard to find.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGqLcbCn79U

Not black and glossy.

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#50 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

You've got it wrong. GT5 is true to the track.

Observe the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E

The track is grey and gets greyer in the sun. The asphalt there is nowhere near as dark and shiny as Forza 4's.

Zero_epyon

you chose a video where it was cloudy weather.......to prove that the sun doesnt reflect off the road? :|

No I picked this video to show that this track is not as dark as Forza shows it to be. Therefore, in direct sunlight in dry conditions, it can only get lighter, not dark and shiny.

lol, what? Its a game dude, lighten up. Are shadows jaggie in real life? Do cars damage the way they do in GT5? Do i only damage my car at age 40? A game should be afforded some liberties. Forza renders differently, thats a dev decision