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Flagship Xbox One launch title Forza Motorsport 5 which will make extensive use of the consoles cloud capabilities and always-online functionality will also be playable offline now that Microsoft has changed its policies. However, it will require a one-time connection to Xbox Live before you can play.

In an interview with IGN, Dan Greenawalt, the studio head at Forza developer Turn 10 Studios, clarified how their day-one racing game will work if your Xbox One isnt connected to Xbox Live.

So when you first boot up the game, were going to ask you to log in, he explained. And when you log in youre going to get the Drivatars and youre also going to get a whole bunch of content: tracks and cars. Our production schedule is such that we are putting them in as late as possible and that means making them free as downloadable content on Day One.



Were not making a launch game. Were making Forza 5, at launch.

[But] that is required content to play the game. We basically have designed the game to work with all that content no matter how late is coming in, in order to make the biggest game possible.

In other words, because games have to be submitted to Microsoft testing, certified, and then pressed onto discs and shipped, Forza 5 has to be done much, much sooner than November. By requiring part of the game as a download on launch day, it gives Turn 10 extra time to finish everything. And so what you get on the disc you buy at the store wont be the entire game. Youll need to download the rest of it from Xbox Live (which should be possible to occur as you play, Greenawalt clarified).

After that, Greenawalt said, Forza 5 is like your refrigerator. You have to fill it up with food the first time, he explained. And from then on, you connect whenever you want when you want to update your food. The Drivatars are as fresh as they are. Its not like theyre going to degrade, but when youre looking for new stuff fresh stuffits going to keep evolving. Thats the nature of this Drivatar system.



When you first boot up the game, were going to ask you to log in.

Drivatar is Forza 5s attempt at next-generation AI in that there is no pre-programmed artificial intelligence. Instead, a ghost version of yourself races on your behalf, using your repeated behavior and tendencies to mimic how youd race if you were actually playing. Drivatars of random gamers all over the world are what you race against in your single-player campaign.

To that end, Greenawalt told us, You do have to connect the game in order to get the latest Drivatars, because we need as many people training them as possible. And so rather than having just a launch-day set that was created by us, every day that people race is going to make the Drivatar set that much more accurate, that much more diverse, that much more interesting.

All of the cloud and online features make the game far, far better, Greenawalt summed up. In fact Id even say revolutionary. The things were doing with opponents and Drivatar are not something that anyone can envision unless youve played it. But were trying to get as much of that into the unconnected, offline mode as well.

Were not making a launch game. Were making Forza 5, at launch.



This means that you only get part of the game when you buy the disc, and you have to download the rest in order for the game to play. So when you buy a disc version of Forza 5, you don`t own it. This is the future, people, atleast for Microsoft 1st party titles.

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#2 RR360DD
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Woah you have to log on once when you buy it. I really hope people don't make a big deal out of this :lol:
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Pretty sure this will not be the only game that needs a big first day patch. Not that big if a deal however I am sure Cows will act like it is a crime against humanity.

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So...genius, and Sony supporters. How do you expect developers or publishers to make a profit next gen?
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#5 RR360DD
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Pretty sure this will not be the only game that needs a big first day patch. Not that big if a deal however I am sure Cows will act like it is a crime against humanity.

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Until a Sony game does it of course. Then its a great thing!
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So...genius, and Sony supporters. How do you expect developers or publishers to make a profit next gen?percech
Sony can always sale buildings.
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I read a post from someone claiming to be a xboxone developer that Microsoft's claim that the online drm has been removed is not true, and instead other forms of online requirements (such as this) are mandatory in nearly every game coming to the system. This was a few days ago, I guess he wasn't lying.

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Can't wait to buy half the game and download the other half later!

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And maybe you should wait posting that till you are lvl 10...

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I read a post from someone claiming to be a xboxone developer that Microsoft's claim that the online drm has been removed is not true, and instead other forms of online requirements (such as this) are mandatory in nearly every game coming to the system. This was a few days ago, I guess he wasn't lying.

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Proof or it didn't happen.
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Nice, I only need to connect to the internet once. I was hoping that it wouldn't require a constant internet connection. That would've been a deal breaker for me...
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I read a post from someone claiming to be a xboxone developer that Microsoft's claim that the online drm has been removed is not true, and instead other forms of online requirements (such as this) are mandatory in nearly every game coming to the system. This was a few days ago, I guess he wasn't lying.

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How is this an online requirement when you can play the game offline after you download the content...............for as long as you want?
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Proof or it didn't happen.timbers_WSU

it was on 4 ch@n, sorry

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"] How is this an online requirement when you can play the game offline after you download the content...............for as long as you want?

it requires you to be online in the first place.
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Can't wait to buy half the game and download the other half later!

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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]Proof or it didn't happen.SteverXIII

it was on 4 ch@n, sorry

So you are full of shit? Got it.
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If you only get half the content when you buy the game, then have to download the rest, you dont own shit.
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]Proof or it didn't happen.timbers_WSU

it was on 4 ch@n, sorry

So you are full of shit? Got it.

I'll see if its archived

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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]Proof or it didn't happen.SteverXIII

it was on 4 ch@n, sorry

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Will they be patching in weather and lighting?

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If you only get half the content when you buy the game, then have to download the rest, you dont own shit.Dreamcast86
So anything I have downloaded game wise on the PS3, PC, and 360 I don't own? Even if I play them offline? So Sony and Microsoft are putting bombs in my system? If you say so.
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="SteverXIII"]

it was on 4 ch@n, sorry

SteverXIII

So you are full of shit? Got it.

I'll see if its archived

Don't even try to link to four****, just drop it.
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] How is this an online requirement when you can play the game offline after you download the content...............for as long as you want?

it requires you to be online in the first place.

Are your consoles connected online?
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Well, this method makes disc based Forza 5 worthless.. for those who cares about their disc based games.

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oh come on! What the hell..
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="Dreamcast86"]If you only get half the content when you buy the game, then have to download the rest, you dont own shit.heeweesRus
So anything I have downloaded game wise on the PS3, PC, and 360 I don't own? Even if I play them offline? So Sony and Microsoft are putting bombs in my system? If you say so.

lol timbers post

Everyone I talked to that knows you say you are the biggest chicken shit loser they know. All you will do is hide like a little girl. How does it feel no one likes or respects you? No life loser. I bet your parents have even spitted because of their useless creation. That is why you avoided my emails on XBOX Live. Because you are yellow. Just remember that. No one likes you or respects you. They just laugh at you and go about their day.
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Whats this buy half game now, and get the ohter half laterr b........?

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] How is this an online requirement when you can play the game offline after you download the content...............for as long as you want?

it requires you to be online in the first place.

Are your consoles connected online?

Yes, but I'm not thinking about myself here.
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] So anything I have downloaded game wise on the PS3, PC, and 360 I don't own? Even if I play them offline? So Sony and Microsoft are putting bombs in my system? If you say so.

lol timbers post

Everyone I talked to that knows you say you are the biggest chicken shit loser they know. All you will do is hide like a little girl. How does it feel no one likes or respects you? No life loser. I bet your parents have even spitted because of their useless creation. That is why you avoided my emails on XBOX Live. Because you are yellow. Just remember that. No one likes you or respects you. They just laugh at you and go about their day.

You sound mad brethren.
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This is why I buy Sony 1st party games and not Microsoft 1st party games. Day one DLC required for the game to run makes disc based games worthless.
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This is why I buy Sony 1st party games and not Microsoft 1st party games. Day one DLC required for the game to run makes disc based games worthless.Dreamcast86
I'm 99% that Sony is also going to require a one time check in their games...
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] So anything I have downloaded game wise on the PS3, PC, and 360 I don't own? Even if I play them offline? So Sony and Microsoft are putting bombs in my system? If you say so.

lol timbers post

Everyone I talked to that knows you say you are the biggest chicken shit loser they know. All you will do is hide like a little girl. How does it feel no one likes or respects you? No life loser. I bet your parents have even spitted because of their useless creation. That is why you avoided my emails on XBOX Live. Because you are yellow. Just remember that. No one likes you or respects you. They just laugh at you and go about their day.

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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]lol timbers postDrTrafalgarLaw
Everyone I talked to that knows you say you are the biggest chicken shit loser they know. All you will do is hide like a little girl. How does it feel no one likes or respects you? No life loser. I bet your parents have even spitted because of their useless creation. That is why you avoided my emails on XBOX Live. Because you are yellow. Just remember that. No one likes you or respects you. They just laugh at you and go about their day.

You sound mad brethren.

I am laughing at him right now because I know the truth about him. Imagine wrestling with your little sister and she cries the whole time even though you never hurt her. That is him in a nutshell. I am told he is pretty pathetic. It is no wonder he acts like a 4 year old on here. Can't wait to meet him personally.
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This just confirmed my suspecions about developers releasing massive day one patches for incomplete games because of the mess microsoft has made with the hardwae and specs and the developers not having time to fully test the games before release.

I am waiting for more launch games to follow, what a joke. I bet even with the day one patch it will still be a broken mess.

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[QUOTE="Dreamcast86"]This is why I buy Sony 1st party games and not Microsoft 1st party games. Day one DLC required for the game to run makes disc based games worthless.superclocked
I'm 99% that Sony is also going to require a one time check in their games...

Sony said that disc based games won`t require you to check in online. They also said that they wont devalue your disc based games.
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This just confirmed my suspecions about developers releasing massive day one patches for incomplete games because of the mess microsoft has made with the hardwae and specs and the developers not having time to fully test the games before release.

I am waiting for more launch games to follow, what a joke. I bet even with the day one patch it will still be a broken mess.

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Turn 10 already said in another interview that they have drivatars that already know a bunch of stuff. No reason to not include them in the disc on day 1.
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="SteverXIII"] it requires you to be online in the first place.

Are your consoles connected online?

Yes, but I'm not thinking about myself here.

Well, i agree that it is stupid.........why not just delay the game a freakin month? But this is far from being DRM as some people are saying.
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This is why I buy Sony 1st party games and not Microsoft 1st party games. Day one DLC required for the game to run makes disc based games worthless.Dreamcast86
Sony has been just as bad as Microsoft with DLC. Or worse look at GT5? The install? The Prologue that ripped people off (And somehow looked better than the full game.) Then the XL version later. And this is the first time I can think of Microsoft doing this. Over reacting big time.
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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Dreamcast86"]This is why I buy Sony 1st party games and not Microsoft 1st party games. Day one DLC required for the game to run makes disc based games worthless.Dreamcast86
I'm 99% that Sony is also going to require a one time check in their games...

Sony said that disc based games won`t require you to check in online. They also said that they wont devalue your disc based games.

They have only revealed their policies toward used games. But Sony was one of the pioneers of DRM, so I see no reason why they will be completely free of DRM...
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No big deal. 

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This just confirmed my suspecions about developers releasing massive day one patches for incomplete games because of the mess microsoft has made with the hardwae and specs and the developers not having time to fully test the games before release.

I am waiting for more launch games to follow, what a joke. I bet even with the day one patch it will still be a broken mess.

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Well gamers should of expected it. It sucks we are gonna be using a ton of HD space but it is what it is. People cry over the DRM and this is what happens. (I admit I was pissed about the no used games thing.)
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Of course this isn't a major issue, but it shows that the industry is not going in a good direction... to consumers, I mean.

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2nd class gamers waiting to play a game they just bought. How poetic. :lol:

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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] So anything I have downloaded game wise on the PS3, PC, and 360 I don't own? Even if I play them offline? So Sony and Microsoft are putting bombs in my system? If you say so.

lol timbers post

Everyone I talked to that knows you say you are the biggest chicken shit loser they know. All you will do is hide like a little girl. How does it feel no one likes or respects you? No life loser. I bet your parents have even spitted because of their useless creation. That is why you avoided my emails on XBOX Live. Because you are yellow. Just remember that. No one likes you or respects you. They just laugh at you and go about their day.

lol timbers post
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#47 Blake135
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From what I have read they are rushing the game out and because of this not all of the games content is on disk so you will be required to download the rest ? I don't believe it says HOW MUCH Of the game is missing or What is missing from it, if it is a large percentage then this is lazy of devs to push the game out so quickly and a pretty big blow to people that don't play online or even have a xbox live account.

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] Are your consoles connected online?

Yes, but I'm not thinking about myself here.

Well, i agree that it is stupid.........why not just delay the game a freakin month? But this is far from being DRM as some people are saying.

Its DRM. You HAVE to go trough MICROSOFT in order to play the game, because the stuff you get on the disc you PAID FOR isnt ENOUGH. You dont own the game. The game is worthless and will not run when the DLC servers go down one day.
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2nd class gamers waiting to play a game they just bought. How poetic. :lol:

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Yeah Cows did it all gen with the PS3.
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#50 Dreamcast86
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1. Removes the 24 hour check in.

2. Have to check in for games to function.

 

As long as Microsoft or Turn 10 controlls the content you need for a disc to function, that is still DRM.