forza damage - not realistic

just played the forza 3 demo and, after the entire world has been applauding the qualityof it,was left rather empty.

first things first; the graphics. yeah they're a vast improvement over forza 2 but they're nothing compared to gt5 prologue which came out more than a year ago.

although it's fairly common knowledge that most peoples assumption is that gran turismo will always have better graphics, one thing forza fans have always bragged about is the quality of the damage simulation in their game. well, having tried a race with simulation damage on i can confirm that it's all a bit of a let down.

would it be naive of me to expect simulation damage to properly simulate the damage in collisions? because when i go head first into a wall in top speed i expect to lose wheels, crush the front of my car and nto be able to drive away. in forza 3 however it seems their version of 'simulated' is to rough up the bodywork (nothing fell off), smash a couple of windows and leave the tracking out. what was most disappointing however was that the car was able to drive away intact from this head on collision.

with the inclusion of the rewind system to correct your mistakes it seemsa much less forgiving damage system would be able to be implementedwithout aggrivating the fans of knowing they can never damage their car but no, the damage system seems to me to be identical to the one in forza 2.

overall disappointing, but then aren't all games that are hyped to the rafters?

I agree on the damage. It is quite lacking.

its a VIDEO GAME.... its not real life

Racing sims aren't about graphics, they are about physics and AI. And Forza's damage is better than Gran Turismo's, since there is as of yet, no indication that GT's damage is going to be anything but cosmetic... on 20% of the cars. I don't get the complaints... Forza 3 is an improvment over Forza 2, Forza 2 was a AAA game. If you have that high of standards for racing sims, go play some GTR Evolution or something.

Racing sims aren't about graphics, they are about physics and AI. And Forza's damage is better than Gran Turismo's, since there is as of yet, no indication that GT's damage is going to be anything but cosmetic... on 20% of the cars. I don't get the complaints... Forza 3 is an improvment over Forza 2, Forza 2 was a AAA game. If you have that high of standards for racing sims, go play some GTR Evolution or something.

foxhound_fox

system wars double standards.

I think both forza and gt are examples of fairly clumsy attempts of putting damage + good physics together. This gen consoles are just unable to do these things properly. Maybe next gen, maybe even later will see something trully amazing.

if the gt and forza crowds are so hyped up about damage they should just play dirt 2, after a few brushes with the walls your car pulls to the side it's damaged on and there is also race ending terminal damage if you hit something with too much force

i swear the only reason these games are talked about is because the are exclusives

were either one multiplat everyone would be ridiculing them as opposed to just sw factions

gt is a game made by a dev stuck in the past and lacking features race games had five years ago such as chat, private matches and friends list support and forza is just a bore to play

granted that's just an opinion but i feel it's an opinion more would share if they were not so busy trying to convince people their system is the best

I played grid and in that if u damage ur car u cant control it further.Now that sucked bec i had to replay lots of tracks for some silly minor crashes which made tha game booring and too difficult.Handling of game sucked to begin with which made matter even worse.

Realsatic gameplay is not equal to fun factor

Racing sims aren't about graphics, they are about physics and AI. And Forza's damage is better than Gran Turismo's, since there is as of yet, no indication that GT's damage is going to be anything but cosmetic... on 20% of the cars. I don't get the complaints... Forza 3 is an improvment over Forza 2, Forza 2 was a AAA game. If you have that high of standards for racing sims, go play some GTR Evolution or something.

foxhound_fox

its a SIM therefor everything counts

AI? this is not football is racing all you have to do is get to the line faster

I played grid and in that if u damage ur car u cant control it further.Now that sucked bec i had to replay lots of tracks for some silly minor crashes which made tha game booring and too difficult.Handling of game sucked to begin with which made matter even worse.

Realsatic gameplay is not equal to fun factor

Racing sims aren't about graphics, they are about physics and AI. And Forza's damage is better than Gran Turismo's, since there is as of yet, no indication that GT's damage is going to be anything but cosmetic... on 20% of the cars. I don't get the complaints... Forza 3 is an improvment over Forza 2, Forza 2 was a AAA game. If you have that high of standards for racing sims, go play some GTR Evolution or something.

foxhound_fox

its a SIM therefor everything counts

AI? this is not football is racing all you have to do is get to the line faster

SionPT

I played grid and in that if u damage ur car u cant control it further.Now that sucked bec i had to replay lots of tracks for some silly minor crashes which made tha game booring and too difficult.Handling of game sucked to begin with which made matter even worse.

Realsatic gameplay is not equal to fun factor

just played the forza 3 demo and, after the entire world has been applauding the qualityof it,was left rather empty.

first things first; the graphics. yeah they're a vast improvement over forza 2 but they're nothing compared to gt5 prologue which came out more than a year ago.

although it's fairly common knowledge that most peoples assumption is that gran turismo will always have better graphics, one thing forza fans have always bragged about is the quality of the damage simulation in their game. well, having tried a race with simulation damage on i can confirm that it's all a bit of a let down.

would it be naive of me to expect simulation damage to properly simulate the damage in collisions? because when i go head first into a wall in top speed i expect to lose wheels, crush the front of my car and nto be able to drive away. in forza 3 however it seems their version of 'simulated' is to rough up the bodywork (nothing fell off), smash a couple of windows and leave the tracking out. what was most disappointing however was that the car was able to drive away intact from this head on collision.

with the inclusion of the rewind system to correct your mistakes it seemsa much less forgiving damage system would be able to be implementedwithout aggrivating the fans of knowing they can never damage their car but no, the damage system seems to me to be identical to the one in forza 2.

overall disappointing, but then aren't all games that are hyped to the rafters?

my_name_is_ron

I heard the damage is also only on your car and that if you hit an AI opponent it does nothing to them. Is that true?EmperorSupreme

just played the forza 3 demo and, after the entire world has been applauding the qualityof it,was left rather empty.

first things first; the graphics. yeah they're a vast improvement over forza 2 but they're nothing compared to gt5 prologue which came out more than a year ago.

although it's fairly common knowledge that most peoples assumption is that gran turismo will always have better graphics, one thing forza fans have always bragged about is the quality of the damage simulation in their game. well, having tried a race with simulation damage on i can confirm that it's all a bit of a let down.

would it be naive of me to expect simulation damage to properly simulate the damage in collisions? because when i go head first into a wall in top speed i expect to lose wheels, crush the front of my car and nto be able to drive away. in forza 3 however it seems their version of 'simulated' is to rough up the bodywork (nothing fell off), smash a couple of windows and leave the tracking out. what was most disappointing however was that the car was able to drive away intact from this head on collision.

with the inclusion of the rewind system to correct your mistakes it seemsa much less forgiving damage system would be able to be implementedwithout aggrivating the fans of knowing they can never damage their car but no, the damage system seems to me to be identical to the one in forza 2.

overall disappointing, but then aren't all games that are hyped to the rafters?

I think the rewind feature is the worst thing Turn10 have added to Forza3. Why have something like that in a sim? If you dont like making mistakes and being punished for them, go play Grid or NFS:Shift. Sim racers are supposed to be unforgiving.

I think the rewind feature is the worst thing Turn10 have added to Forza3. Why have something like that in a sim? If you dont like making mistakes and being punished for them, go play Grid or NFS:Shift. Sim racers are supposed to be unforgiving.

clyde46

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just played the forza 3 demo and, after the entire world has been applauding the qualityof it,was left rather empty.

first things first; the graphics. yeah they're a vast improvement over forza 2 but they're nothing compared to gt5 prologue which came out more than a year ago.

although it's fairly common knowledge that most peoples assumption is that gran turismo will always have better graphics, one thing forza fans have always bragged about is the quality of the damage simulation in their game. well, having tried a race with simulation damage on i can confirm that it's all a bit of a let down.

would it be naive of me to expect simulation damage to properly simulate the damage in collisions? because when i go head first into a wall in top speed i expect to lose wheels, crush the front of my car and nto be able to drive away. in forza 3 however it seems their version of 'simulated' is to rough up the bodywork (nothing fell off), smash a couple of windows and leave the tracking out. what was most disappointing however was that the car was able to drive away intact from this head on collision.

with the inclusion of the rewind system to correct your mistakes it seemsa much less forgiving damage system would be able to be implementedwithout aggrivating the fans of knowing they can never damage their car but no, the damage system seems to me to be identical to the one in forza 2.

overall disappointing, but then aren't all games that are hyped to the rafters?

mythrol

What are you SMOKING? all cars in GT5 will have damage...Only 150 or so will have INTERIOR that shows damage INSIDE as well.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175726

Apparently 170 of the included cars will also be specially designed models that'll have more detailed interiors, which will also show damage after wrecks (as opposed to only exterior damage on the other 830 cars). GT5 will also introduce the addition of electric cars like the Prius, Insight, and other kinds of hybrids (including the latest Tesla model).