fps today are trash

Old first person shooters you could deathmatch on the single player maps, but also the games had maps made only for deathmatch.

Nowadays you cant deathmatch on let's say halo's single player levels like you can on quake 1 or quake 2's single player levels.

halo only has maps made for deathmatch, quake had maps made for deathmatch but you could also deathmatch on single player levels.

There's been many single player levels ive played and ive been like damn this would of been fun online, but nope fps today suck LOL.

Blah blah blah

No one cares about your foolish ranting incase you did not know by now.

how does that make them trash? I dont understand..

how does that make them trash? I dont understand..

imaps3fanboy

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

but gamesrdead. why care anymore

Err, single player maps are usually designed to be like a line where the end of the line is the end of the level.

Multiplayer maps (usually DM oriented ones) are circular, like an arena.
Single player maps in MP would be extremely unbalanced and one sided.

Also, one of the complaints of Quake 2 was the lack of MP only maps.

dev's dont have enough time to make a large amount of online only maps

So they might aswell give you the option to use single player levels online as deathmatch maps, but also use the maps they created for deathmatch.

LIKE OLD SHOOTERS

duke nukem 3d,quake 1/2

Quake 3=downfall of quake franchise lol.

So FPS games today suck because they don't have single player levels that are converted into multi-player maps?

So hold on. you would rather have Copy and paste Singleplayer maps that (and im guessing) have no balance what so ever, and probably have even worst level design, Instead of having dedicated MP ONLY maps.

Thread fails.

Err, single player maps are usually designed to be like a line where the end of the line is the end of the level.

Multiplayer maps (usually DM oriented ones) are circular, like an arena.
Single player maps in MP would be extremely unbalanced and one sided.

Also, one of the complaints of Quake 2 was the lack of MP only maps.

swazidoughman

Nope arena maps are for newbies, boring simplistic maps smoothed off for noobs

Quake 2 had MP only maps PLUS single player maps use able for MP.

What makes singleplayer maps so great for deathmatch? musicalmac

They are more complex than noob boring arena's, gotta be a better player on single player maps.

Quake 2 had the edge which is multiplayer only map, but i still played the single player maps more online than the MP only maps like the edge.

Is that you, woobabooba?

Anyway, I disagree, shooters are still fun to me.

EDIT: Yes, yes...it is you..

why would you wanna play deathmatch. IMO, that's like the worst mode fps. It's every man for themself. Play some other team coopertive modes, not including team DEATHMATCH.

Basically it amounts to when a dev designs a map for multiplayer only, they end up being less complex and more boring to navigate around on than single player levels used for online play.

Look at quake 4 even though idsoftware didnt make, it lol that game has maps maps only for online cant use the single player maps for deathmatch.

You know know much better quake 4 would be if you could deathmatch on the single player levels?

the multiplayer maps in quake 4 are so simplistic and boring holy crap the maps are so plain it makes me sick dude.

hey guys i fell asleep after reading the first bit of the topic did anything good spring up while i was out cold

So, FPSs are trash because single-player maps are for single-player? Wow. Just wow.

Quake 2 had MP only maps PLUS single player maps use able for MP.

gamesrdead4200

The single player maps for Q2 multi player were dreadful. I think I recall a few maps that were modified to play CTF but in general they were boring because they didn't flow well.

Even when Q2 was on top I recall very few servers running single player maps. Ask any Q2 fan what they maps they remember, they'll tell you q2dm1...not power1 or jail2.

So, FPSs are trash because single-player maps are for single-player? Wow. Just wow.

Phoenix534

old shooters like duke nukem 3d,quake and quake 2 you can use the single player maps for online play

if you have maps made for multiplayer and the option to use the single player maps for online

then it adds to the total amount of maps avalible for online play

if you only have online focused and then only single player usable maps then there's less maps for online play.

It's funny how quake 3 has less deathmatch maps than quake 2 and it's multiplayer focused

LOL

it's funny how quake 2 has 8 maps made for online/multiplayer only and i still play the single player based deathmatch maps the most.

quake 3 maps are boring as hell i thought it ever since i bought it in 1999, i think the maps on quake 2 which are made for mp only are boring also.

DEV'S TOOK OUT A GOOD THING

the experience of shooters is watered down

Dont you people understand they took out a feature? from first person shooters? in todays games?

Stop acting like you played games like Quake, because I'm sorry but I don't believe anybody who is old enough to have played it or any of the other games you claim to have played when they came out, would make multiple accounts to troll a forum.bobbetybob

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

So, FPSs are trash because single-player maps are for single-player? Wow. Just wow.

gamesrdead4200

old shooters like duke nukem 3d,quake and quake 2 you can use the single player maps for online play

if you have maps made for multiplayer and the option to use the single player maps for online

then it adds to the total amount of maps avalible for online play

if you only have online focused and then only single player usable maps then there's less maps for online play.

It's funny how quake 3 has less deathmatch maps than quake 2 and it's multiplayer focused

LOL

it's funny how quake 2 has 8 maps made for online/multiplayer only and i still play the single player based deathmatch maps the most.

quake 3 maps are boring as hell i thought it ever since i bought it in 1999, i think the maps on quake 2 which are made for mp only are boring also.

DEV'S TOOK OUT A GOOD THING

the experience of shooters is watered down

Over 90% of gamers would disagree. I for one hated playing multiplayer on single-player maps. There is a reason why they are single-player maps and not multiplayer.

Dont you people understand they took out a feature? from first person shooters? in todays games?

gamesrdead4200

And then added features that people actually care about.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

how does that make them trash? I dont understand..

gamesrdead4200

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

how does that make them trash? I dont understand..

Nedemis

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

True. Single-player maps are huge now.

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

how does that make them trash? I dont understand..

Nedemis

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

gamesrdead4200

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

Anyone who was listening to you, no longer will. Quake III=Best Quake game. Ever.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

Being able to use single player based levels as deathmatch levels, but also having deathmatch only levels

is better than only getting deathmatch only levels it means there's less levels to use for online play in general now.

LOLZ dev's are dumbasses

gamesrdead4200

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] you obviously fail to realize the sheer scale of SP levels now and how they don't suit online MP matches as SP levels of the earlier days did. You failed at providing a REAL argument and therefore this thread wreaks of fail. Nedemis

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

It's going to go on like this for ever. He will continually tell us that Quake II had single-palyer maps in deathmatch and give us no other reason why FPSs today are "trash".

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] you obviously fail to realize the sheer scale of SP levels now and how they don't suit online MP matches as SP levels of the earlier days did. You failed at providing a REAL argument and therefore this thread wreaks of fail. Nedemis

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

I bought all quake games back in 96/97/1999 quake 1/2/3 when they were released

Funny howi always though quake 3 sucked donkey balls and it's multiplayer only focused deathmatch maps

the maps are simplistic boring noob maps compared to quake 2's single player maps used for deathmatch.

Quake died after part 2 and quake 3/4 are complete suckage ass fake quake games.

I grew up playing games like Duke Nukem 3d, where the campaign maps were also used as the multiplayer/deathmatch levels, and enjoyed them a lot. That said, I have never felt that the trend of having more symmetrical maps for this was a bad thing that made newere fps's "trash". I wouldn't mind future games making it an option to play on the single player maps for competitive games though... options are good!

Heck, I wouldn't mind having an option to turn "enemies on" during these levels to add to the chaos during a match with friends.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

No son you fail bigtime, even crysis single player maps would work for online deathmatch, the game would of had better online play then damn that would of been kick ass LOLz

quake started out with maps made for online play and single player maps also use able for online deathmatch.

then just turning quake into multiplayer maps only avalible game then it's a fake quake game

LOL quake 3 sucked

gamesrdead4200

I bought all quake games back in 96/97/1999 quake 1/2/3 when they were released

Funny howi always though quake 3 sucked donkey balls and it's multiplayer only focused deathmatch maps

the maps are simplistic boring noob maps compared to quake 2's single player maps used for deathmatch.

Again. No real arguement other than "Quake III sucks. Quake II is awesome." Sounds to me that someone here is a Quake II fanboy.

LOL quake 3 sucked

gamesrdead4200

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Troll thread.

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

LOL quake 3 sucked

HenriH-42

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Troll thread.

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More like a troll cave

Here's maps in quake 2 that are MP/deathmatch only maps not based on the single player

The edge

The pits

lost hallways

the frag pipe

tokays towers

lava tomb

the slimey place

warehouse

LOL my favorite multiplayer maps were based on the single player like outlands or maingate, or mine entrance,lost station

ENOUGH SAID

having the ability to use single player maps for multiplayer,but also having multiplayer focused maps

is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

2 OPTIONS IS BETTER THAN 1 lol

Here's maps in quake 2 that are MP/deathmatch only maps not based on the single player

The edge

The pits

lost hallways

the frag pipe

tokays towers

lava tomb

the slimey place

warehouse

LOL my favorite multiplayer maps were based on the single player like outlands or maingate, or mine entrance,lost station

ENOUGH SAID

having the ability to use single player maps for multiplayer,but also having multiplayer focused maps

is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

2 OPTIONS IS BETTER THAN 1 lol

gamesrdead4200

Another post no REAL reason other than multiplayer maps suck for multiplayer.

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

Here's maps in quake 2 that are MP/deathmatch only maps not based on the single player

The edge

The pits

lost hallways

the frag pipe

tokays towers

lava tomb

the slimey place

warehouse

LOL my favorite multiplayer maps were based on the single player like outlands or maingate, or mine entrance,lost station

ENOUGH SAID

having the ability to use single player maps for multiplayer,but also having multiplayer focused maps

is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

2 OPTIONS IS BETTER THAN 1 lol

Phoenix534

Another post no REAL reason other than multiplayer maps suck for multiplayer.

having a game with maps made for multiplayer only, and but the game has a single player campaign with the ability to use it's single player campaign maps also for multiplayer is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

it's like having one game where you cant turn off aim assist

and the other game where you can turn it off

having the option to turn it off is better having the option to use single player maps also for online is better in the same sense.

fps today really do suck ass though.

You could have actually made a good argument but you really didnt. Imo accept for Halo and a few others like valves games, they are all just safe call of duty clones, you can zoom in shoot, the world is at war with some massive force, bla bla bla. None are really original anymore, like wolfenstein. Instead of being a fast paced mindless corridor Nazi shooter, it turned into, another Call of duty clone, i mean honestly what looks fun about it? we have all played it before. I just wish that they would change up the genre alittle so its not the same thing over and over again

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="gamesrdead4200"]

Here's maps in quake 2 that are MP/deathmatch only maps not based on the single player

The edge

The pits

lost hallways

the frag pipe

tokays towers

lava tomb

the slimey place

warehouse

LOL my favorite multiplayer maps were based on the single player like outlands or maingate, or mine entrance,lost station

ENOUGH SAID

having the ability to use single player maps for multiplayer,but also having multiplayer focused maps

is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

2 OPTIONS IS BETTER THAN 1 lol

gamesrdead4200

Another post no REAL reason other than multiplayer maps suck for multiplayer.

having a game with maps made for multiplayer only, and but the game has a single player campaign with the ability to use it's single player campaign maps also for multiplayer is better than only getting multiplayer only maps

it's like having one game where you cant turn off aim assist

and the other game where you can turn it off

having the option to turn it off is better having the option to use single player maps also for online is better in the same sense.

fps today really do suck ass though.

They got rid of single-player maps in multiplayer to add features that people actually use. Such as modes like Horde, teamwork, and differences in games.

You could have actually made a good argument but you really didnt. Imo accept for Halo and a few others like valves games, they are all just safe call of duty clones, you can zoom in shoot, the world is at war with some massive force, bla bla bla. None are really original anymore, like wolfenstein. Instead of being a fast paced mindless corridor Nazi shooter, it turned into, another Call of duty clone, i mean honestly what looks fun about it? we have all played it before. I just wish that they would change up the genre alittle so its not the same thing over and over again

VendettaRed07

That's what I expected when I saw the title. Than I saw that it was someone arguing that multiplayer maps suck for multiplayer so FPSs suck.