Future of Nintendo's Flagships

(Not letting me add a poll -_-)

Taking a look into the future of Nintendo first party, we have Metroid: Other M, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and The Legend of Zelda (Wii). 2010 is the current release outlook for Other M and SMG2, with at least a full Zelda reveal during that time. My question to you is.. which do you think is going to have the biggest impact this generation? Which game do you see as having the most potential of being THE crown jewel of the Wii (The rest of it's library aside, the Wii DOES have some very good titles floating at the top)? Each of these legendary franchises has historically set the bar many times over, do you think this next gen of Nintendo will do so again?

Metroid: Other M

Last time Nintendo combined with another company to take Metroid in a different direction, the result was one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Will their joining with the acclaimed Team Ninja produce a similar outcome?

Super Mario Galaxy 2

Another game coming from one of the highest critically acclaimedgames of all time.. Is it possible to make it even better? Yoshi says yes, but will it have enough variation to make the impact its predecesor did?

The Legend of Zelda (Wii)

The mere mention of anything Zelda spawns endless rumors, and massive hype. The first Wii developed Zelda has been, and will continue to be no different. This game will be hyped as a world beater.. because, well.. thats whatmany have come to expect from this series. Can the next chapter live up to the expectations of it's glorified past, or will it disappoint with yet another identical formula?

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

Metroid isnt used enough in my opinion haha

Maybe because im a huge platform, I cnat get enough of them.

Oh and Retro wasnt a different company. They're owned by Nintendo, Team Ninja is just a weird combination.

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

mitu123

And actually some of the best franchises ever.

IIRC Mario and Zelda are in the top 5.

I have a feeling Other M will flop, Galaxy 2 will be almost as god as the previous and Zelda will "wow" everyone, but will ultimately fall short of being perfect.

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

mitu123

I agree, I would much rather have Star Fox Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, and F-Zero Wii highlighting the 2010 parade, but Nintendo has reshaped Metroid, Mario, and Zelda so succesfully that it's hard not to expect the next games to do the same.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

-Oath

And actually some of the best franchises ever.

IIRC Mario and Zelda are in the top 5.

Other M is going to be a fresh start for Metroid... something it always seems capable of creating for itself. While the other two keep stagnating themselves and being unable to escape fan expectations.

I wonder when Nintendo is actually going to create a new IP. Since you know, we haven't seen anything since Pikmin and Animal Crossing on the Gamecube. They're great at making new games with old IP... but don't seem to want to take a risk with something new. I'd love to see what they are capable of making something for a more mature audience.

I'm going with SMG2.

its the sequel to the 2nd greatest game of all time, 2007 GOTY i honestly think it can win GOTY 2010

Myiamoto said it will be harder, more aimed at core gamers, time control abilities, Yoshi, so it looks to improve everything upon a game i believe is only rivaled in terms of quality this gen with MGS4.

Metroid looks super good, but its also taking the most risks. while i'm sure nintendo and TN will deliver a quality title, it could still be an A, AA game as it transitions from 3rd person to 1st person, and i'm afraid it may be more action than adventure (as metroid has a good balance of both usually) and the 1st to 3rd may make for bad camera, wonky controls (ii'm not saying it will but these are problems devs run into with things like this so i sincerely hope TN finds a way around these problems)

Zelda Wii will probably be very liked, probably be a AAA game on metacritic, but it will be very underappreciated by gamers.

but i could see the addition of some new items not seen in console zelda games in a while like the wind blower, whip, and the addition of wii motion plus will help alot

also is the girl in the new zelda game not just the master sword, but an assistant like in PoP?

will the glimpse of more platforming in Zelda we got in TP in the sand dungeon translate into a little more tomb raider in my zelda for some small areas? and will they finally take the stealth parts of the Wind waker games and put them into a darker zelda?

so i'm saying SMG2 may win GOTY 2010, it will be the best overall out of the 3

Metroid is taking risks that may not pay off (but i hope so) and Zelda willl be underappreciated by games while still delivering a game better than 90% of those on market

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

TaMuK711

I agree, I would much rather have Star Fox Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, and F-Zero Wii highlighting the 2010 parade, but Nintendo has reshaped Metroid, Mario, and Zelda so succesfully that it's hard not to expect the next games to do the same.

also, you forget Pikmin 3.

if done right, and sold to the casuals as well, it could make a console RTS very popular, i am esspecially looking forward to WiFi play

they say they are still working on it, since July 2008 at least but that they couldn't prepare a reveal for this e3

i'd expect Pikmin 3 at NIntendo conference this October, or at GDC next spring

The future of Nintendo's flagships are CAUSUALIZATION!

:lol:

[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I agree, I would much rather have Star Fox Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, and F-Zero Wii highlighting the 2010 parade, but Nintendo has reshaped Metroid, Mario, and Zelda so succesfully that it's hard not to expect the next games to do the same.

mitu123

You are crazy, but the same crazy as me, I desperatly want a Star Fox game over a second Zelda.. As for DK, I just threw that up there because I'm such a fan of the Donkey Kong Country trilogy, which is really the only DK games I like:P

The future of Nintendo's flagships are CAUSUALIZATION!

:lol:

jakehouston88

How so? Nintendo has said several times that SMG2 is going to be more difficult, the idea behind Zelda is a more involved world, and Metroid going back to it's roots. I don't really see any casualization there :-/

Those all look great, i wish they had not just made SMG 2.5 but more goodness if more goodness i guess. Other M looks interesting to say the least but i am skeptical about Zelda Wii, they used the word "Acessable" which does not bode well i am afraid, sounds kinda like "Easier Re-hash" to me.

The first party has been really week throughout 2008 and 2009 so i return to some kind of form is due but i find myself more and more woried not about first party but the rest, first party games are a given with the big N what we really need is what's arrounf that, the third parties, the on-line functioanlliy and community support. THIS is where nintendo needs to go and we have frankly seen very little in the way of devlopment in almost every respect from last generation.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

I agree, I would much rather have Star Fox Wii, Donkey Kong Wii, and F-Zero Wii highlighting the 2010 parade, but Nintendo has reshaped Metroid, Mario, and Zelda so succesfully that it's hard not to expect the next games to do the same.

TaMuK711

You are crazy, but the same crazy as me, I desperatly want a Star Fox game over a second Zelda.. As for DK, I just threw that up there because I'm such a fan of the Donkey Kong Country trilogy, which is really the only DK games I like:P

Other M is going to be a fresh start for Metroid... something it always seems capable of creating for itself. While the other two keep stagnating themselves and being unable to escape fan expectations.

I wonder when Nintendo is actually going to create a new IP. Since you know, we haven't seen anything since Pikmin and Animal Crossing on the Gamecube. They're great at making new games with old IP... but don't seem to want to take a risk with something new. I'd love to see what they are capable of making something for a more mature audience.

foxhound_fox

uhh wrong

Endless Ocean, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Monado ( new wii IP RPG), Disaster Day of Crisis, Tact of Magic (RPG/ RTS coming out this year), Dynamic Slash (one of the most violent nintendo games i've seen), Clubhouse Games, Brain Age, they did technically introduce Mario & Luigi RPG series since Pikmin, Cosmic Walker ( i guess you could add Legendary Strafy since it hadn't come out anywhere but JP)

and i think Nintendo owns Professor Layton even though Level 5 makes it, but maybe i'm wrong they publish it i know.

and i think people who demand Star Fox, Yoshi, DK games want good things

but they forget Nintendo has just resurrected IPs that hadn't had installments recently in Sin and Punishment 2, Punch Out, Dr. Mario DSi/Wii, Wario Land for the Wii.

they already are resurrecting old IPs other than Zelda, Metroid, Mario they just didn't choose the ones you specifically wanted.

and if we go by the quality of Wario Land, Punch Out, and Dr, Mario DSi/Wii, then we should have no fear that when DK, Star Fox, Kirby are resurrected on Wii they will be very good

[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Call me crazy but I'll take a Star Fox Wii and F-Zero Wii over Zelda, I don't know about Donkey Kong, what was his last great game again?

mitu123

You are crazy, but the same crazy as me, I desperatly want a Star Fox game over a second Zelda.. As for DK, I just threw that up there because I'm such a fan of the Donkey Kong Country trilogy, which is really the only DK games I like:P

I hated twilight princess. I bought it with my Wii, and traded it for Brawl a week later:P

Nintendo said Retro is working on something.. Considering how well they revamped the Metroid series, and the spacey sci-fi similarities, Star Fox seems right up Retro's alley.

uhh wrong

Endless Ocean, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Monado ( new wii IP RPG), Disaster Day of Crisis, Tact of Magic (RPG/ RTS coming out this year), Dynamic Slash (one of the most violent nintendo games i've seen), Clubhouse Games, Brain Age, they did technically introduce Mario & Luigi RPG series since Pikmin, Cosmic Walker ( i guess you could add Legendary Strafy since it hadn't come out anywhere but JP)

and i think Nintendo owns Professor Layton even though Level 5 makes it, but maybe i'm wrong they publish it i know.

and i think people who demand Star Fox, Yoshi, DK games want good things

but they forget Nintendo has just resurrected IPs that hadn't had installments recently in Sin and Punishment 2, Punch Out, Dr. Mario DSi/Wii, Wario Land for the Wii.

they already are resurrecting old IPs other than Zelda, Metroid, Mario they just didn't choose the ones you specifically wanted.

and if we go by the quality of Wario Land, Punch Out, and Dr, Mario DSi/Wii, then we should have no fear that when DK, Star Fox, Kirby are resurrected on Wii they will be very good

darth-pyschosis

I think the first SMG is already THE flagship title for the wii, I don't think a game could be anymore perfect. SMG2 might be better in everyway, infact i'll probably enjoy it more since its supposedly going to be a lot harder. But it wont impact the wii as big as SMG did. But now that i think about it, if LOZ Wii uses the wii mote (especially with wm+) in an actual useful way, it could have the biggest impact. Silenthps

This is the line of thinking I was looking for:D

Personally I think Other M is either going to be a world beater, or a big disappointment. As was said before (sorry forgot who said it), Other M is the biggest risk because it's taking the franchise in a different direction, with more story driven gameplay. Team Ninja did awesome things with Ninja Gaiden, and their expertise with Nintendo's standard for first party quality, this game could do for the Wii what Metroid Prime did for the GCN.

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

mitu123

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]uhh wrong

Endless Ocean, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Monado ( new wii IP RPG), Disaster Day of Crisis, Tact of Magic (RPG/ RTS coming out this year), Dynamic Slash (one of the most violent nintendo games i've seen), Clubhouse Games, Brain Age, they did technically introduce Mario & Luigi RPG series since Pikmin, Cosmic Walker ( i guess you could add Legendary Strafy since it hadn't come out anywhere but JP)

and i think Nintendo owns Professor Layton even though Level 5 makes it, but maybe i'm wrong they publish it i know.

and i think people who demand Star Fox, Yoshi, DK games want good things

but they forget Nintendo has just resurrected IPs that hadn't had installments recently in Sin and Punishment 2, Punch Out, Dr. Mario DSi/Wii, Wario Land for the Wii.

they already are resurrecting old IPs other than Zelda, Metroid, Mario they just didn't choose the ones you specifically wanted.

and if we go by the quality of Wario Land, Punch Out, and Dr, Mario DSi/Wii, then we should have no fear that when DK, Star Fox, Kirby are resurrected on Wii they will be very good

foxhound_fox

So nintendo buys 2nd party studios to make more games, and you don't consider them 1st party even though they are now owned by nintendo?

geez, so they don't count as first party even though they are a property of nintendo?

and nintendo never usually makes games for the core directly, they make games for everyone

everyone can play Ocarina of Time, Super Mario Bros 3, Metroid Prime, Wario Land, Star Fox 64, Sin and Punishment, Pikmin, Paper Mario.

I don't see why you have to separate their studios, thats like saying Intelligent Systems gives you a AAA Advance Wars, AAA Paper Mario , AAA Fire Emblem in one year but then saying Nintendo first party wasn't good coz it wasn't Nintendo R&D1.

(also did anyone else notice Nintendo's R&D spending go up to i think, i read 500 million dollars? it increased insanely this year and last! a bit off topic, maybe they are going for that holographic storage more,... or something even more unexpected)

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

Dycras

i think shooters are the most casual genre you can get. of course there are more difficult shooters like Counter Strike, but stuff like Halo, Gears, COD are very accesible to non-gamers, or people who don't game often.

i think more people can identify with wanting to be the gun touting hero, and shooting evil do'ers in WW2, or in Iraq, than the amount of people who can admit they need to be more fit and actually combine it with gaming

i don't think series like Halo , GTA, and COD can sell like they do without lots of casual gamers enjoying them and buying them.

i don't think there really are that many hardcore gamers buying games out there honestly, esspecially with them all spread across 3 consoles

there is nothing wrong with casuals, or casual games. they are meant to be more accesible, and Gears/COD are more accesible than Counter Strike

i don't think games like TF2, Counter Strike, and Battlefield as well are aimed at the same gamers that play COD, and Halo, but that is IMO

So nintendo buys 2nd party studios to make more games, and you don't consider them 1st party even though they are now owned by nintendo?

geez, so they don't count as first party even though they are a property of nintendo?

and nintendo never usually makes games for the core directly, they make games for everyone

everyone can play Ocarina of Time, Super Mario Bros 3, Metroid Prime, Wario Land, Star Fox 64, Sin and Punishment, Pikmin, Paper Mario.

I don't see why you have to separate their studios, thats like saying Intelligent Systems gives you a AAA Advance Wars, AAA Paper Mario , AAA Fire Emblem in one year but then saying Nintendo first party wasn't good coz it wasn't Nintendo R&D1.

(also did anyone else notice Nintendo's R&D spending go up to i think, i read 500 million dollars? it increased insanely this year and last! a bit off topic, maybe they are going for that holographic storage more,... or something even more unexpected)

darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

-Oath

And actually some of the best franchises ever.

IIRC Mario and Zelda are in the top 5.

I have a feeling Other M will flop, Galaxy 2 will be almost as god as the previous and Zelda will "wow" everyone, but will ultimately fall short of being perfect.

R&D1 are back workin on Other M. Im not worried in the slightest. These are the guys who made all the previouse Metroid games besides the Primes.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]uhh wrong

Endless Ocean, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Monado ( new wii IP RPG), Disaster Day of Crisis, Tact of Magic (RPG/ RTS coming out this year), Dynamic Slash (one of the most violent nintendo games i've seen), Clubhouse Games, Brain Age, they did technically introduce Mario & Luigi RPG series since Pikmin, Cosmic Walker ( i guess you could add Legendary Strafy since it hadn't come out anywhere but JP)

and i think Nintendo owns Professor Layton even though Level 5 makes it, but maybe i'm wrong they publish it i know.

and i think people who demand Star Fox, Yoshi, DK games want good things

but they forget Nintendo has just resurrected IPs that hadn't had installments recently in Sin and Punishment 2, Punch Out, Dr. Mario DSi/Wii, Wario Land for the Wii.

they already are resurrecting old IPs other than Zelda, Metroid, Mario they just didn't choose the ones you specifically wanted.

and if we go by the quality of Wario Land, Punch Out, and Dr, Mario DSi/Wii, then we should have no fear that when DK, Star Fox, Kirby are resurrected on Wii they will be very good

darth-pyschosis

So nintendo buys 2nd party studios to make more games, and you don't consider them 1st party even though they are now owned by nintendo?

geez, so they don't count as first party even though they are a property of nintendo?

and nintendo never usually makes games for the core directly, they make games for everyone

everyone can play Ocarina of Time, Super Mario Bros 3, Metroid Prime, Wario Land, Star Fox 64, Sin and Punishment, Pikmin, Paper Mario.

I don't see why you have to separate their studios, thats like saying Intelligent Systems gives you a AAA Advance Wars, AAA Paper Mario , AAA Fire Emblem in one year but then saying Nintendo first party wasn't good coz it wasn't Nintendo R&D1.

(also did anyone else notice Nintendo's R&D spending go up to i think, i read 500 million dollars? it increased insanely this year and last! a bit off topic, maybe they are going for that holographic storage more,... or something even more unexpected)

I think the increased spending resulted in the DSi didn't it? Perhaps not, thought I read that somewhere.. probably work on the next console.

To be honest, I'm not sure I want Nintendo R&D to make new games alone.. When they collaborate with other companies, they get much needed outside influence on games that are generally the same formula year after year (The Metroid Series). With the exception of Mario Galaxy, they tend to stick with the exact same formula, Twilight Princess being the glaring example, which is why I'm kind of worried about the new Zelda.

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

mitu123

It pains me to say this as I agree with those who said that Nintendo IPs need to die AND am not a huge fan of the Zelda franchise, but ever since I got Wii Sports Resort about a month ago I am so excited about the gameplay possibilities of MotionPlus that I can't wait to get my hands on Zelda, if Miyamoto really chooses to utilize it.

I am drunk with excitement over this little peripheral.

It pains me to say this as I agree with those who said that Nintendo IPs need to dieAND am not a huge fan of the Zelda franchise, but ever since I got Wii Sports Resort about a month ago I am so excited about the gameplay possibilities of MotionPlus that I can't wait to get my hands on Zelda, if Miyamoto really chooses to utilize it.

I am drunk with excitement over this little peripheral.

Lothenon

lolwut???

If Nintendo followed that logic, the world would have never seen Ocarina of Time (Highest rated game of all time), Super Mario Galaxy (Second highest rated of all time), or Metroid Prime (6th highest rated of all time).

All of those rated above greats like Goldeneye, Halo, Bioshock, Metal Gear, and Half-Life.. All because Nintendo has always found ways to reinvent the wheel, so why kill such successful franchises off? It makes no sense.

I'm serious. So much creativity and originality and potential wasted to serve fanboys craving for some crumbs of nostalgia.. lergh. The world is better off without Nintendo IP games looming on the horizon, shutting out progress and 3rd party sales.

If Little King's Story were named Pikmin and had less originality and humor, the hype machine and ratings would explode. But no.

If the De Blob concept had been made with less excellence but with Kirby as main character, sales would have gone through the roof.

If Dawn of Discovery would feature IP characters, everyone would be so over it. But as it stands, no one cares. Hey, it's just an excellent RTS on the Wii, right?

Popular franchises and sequels need to die. All of them. :)

I'm serious. So much creativity and originality and potential wasted to serve fanboys craving for some crumbs of nostalgia.. lergh. The world is better off without Nintendo IP games looming on the horizon, shutting out progress and 3rd party sales.

If Little King's Story were named Pikmin and had less originality and humor, the hype machine and ratings would explode. But no.

If the De Blob concept had been made with less excellence but with Kirby as main character, sales would have gone through the roof.

If Dawn of Discovery would feature IP characters, everyone would be so over it. But as it stands, no one cares. Hey, it's just an excellent RTS on the Wii, right?

Popular franchises and sequels need to die. All of them. :)

Lothenon

So Mario Galaxy isn't one of the greatest games of all time just because its nostalgic? Riiiiight.

Major first party names are the springboards of innovation and creativity.

Oh and Retro wasnt a different company. They're owned by Nintendo, Team Ninja is just a weird combination.

Tht1Guy7780

When Metroid Prime first went into works Nintendo didn't own Retro, after the first game launched the president of the company sold majority of their shares to Nintendo and left. After that Nintendo owned the company and kept them in control of Metroid.

Nintendo has always had great first party games, but they tend to take a loooong time tohit store shelves. Don't get me wrong, I know they take their time creating a great game, but it seems like Nintendo always gets shafted when it comes to third party support, so therefore it keeps you waiting for their AAA titles for a while.

Nintendo has always had great first party games, but they tend to take a loooong time tohit store shelves. Don't get me wrong, I know they take their time creating a great game, but it seems like Nintendo always gets shafted when it comes to third party support, so therefore it keeps you waiting for their AAA titles for a while.

godzillavskong

Do you think the wait for the next gen of Nintendo flagships will be worth it? Your absolutely right about Nintendo's history of third-party support, which makes long awaited sequels so important. Twilight Princess was done in by it's own anticipation. If any of the 3 games I listed disappoint, it's going to be a bad year for Nintendo :(

3 of Nintendo's most overused franchises.:P

For me, it's probably The Legend of Zelda Wii, though Zelda is my least favorite of the 3.

mitu123

I owned a Gamecube and loved it, although I watched as my friends, who owned Xbox/PS2 got all the great 3rd party games, as I played Starfox orRogue Squadron. So I ended up jumping ship and getting a Xbox and PS2, fell in love with the online play of Xbox and never looked bacK.I still have my Gamecube and it has some stellar titles on it, but it just seemed like 3rd party publishers turned up their nose @ that platform. So, even though the Wii is selling like crazy, I don't see it getting the same attention as the PS3 or 360 from the developers. It is getting more attention then the Gamecube got, but not nearly as much as the other 2 console right now. Do you think Nintendo could've released a motion peripheral, much like Natal, for the Gamecube and not even have to release the Wii, especially sinceit has the same Hollywood processor? Or do you think the scratched the Gamecube and said let's release a fresh console with a new identity that will be cost effective seeing that it has a lot of the same components as the Gamecube?

SMG2 is going to be a disappointment I believe, not even all the levels are new. But then again I hated SMG so maybe I'm biased. I think the best chances for a amazing game is Metroid, because it takes the series in a new direction (I doubt it will top the Primes tho), and Zelda, mostly because we know nothing about it.

I'm going with SMG2.

its the sequel to the 2nd greatest game of all time, 2007 GOTY i honestly think it can win GOTY 2010

darth-pyschosis

GOTY 2010? Extremely doubtful. The only reason RE4 won GOTY was because of a DRASTIC change in gameplay, atmosphere, and pacing. SMG2 will just be more of the same. The trailer of the game looked no different than SMG...except with Yoshi. This is not a bad thing. SMG was great. But you cannot have a sequel to a game, only make some very minor changes, and expect it to get GOTY. In fact, I'm not sure if I have AAA hype for SMG2. The first one scored 9.5, but GS has been known to lower scores to sequels that only make minor changes. And it looks like SMG2 is doing just that. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it scores 8.5.

SMG2 is going to be a disappointment I believe, not even all the levels are new. But then again I hated SMG so maybe I'm biased. I think the best chances for a amazing game is Metroid, because it takes the series in a new direction (I doubt it will top the Primes tho), and Zelda, mostly because we know nothing about it.

Giant_Panda

Why didn't you add the new super mario bros. I'm so excited for that one!

Why didn't you add the new super mario bros. I'm so excited for that one!

Espada12

New Super Mario Bros is looking to be a good game, but a mario sideproject doesn't stand toe to toe with the main Mario series in terms if impact :-/

I'm going with Zelda Wii,they are giving themselves a chance to make the greatest Zelda ever, and with Wii motion plus being implemented I am sure they are stirring up something great.

It won't be MG2. I think MG2 will score the best out of all of them, but it will be more of the same...which is great.

MOM will be a big deal because it will set a precedent for how future metroid games will play and nintendo working with third parties.

Zelda wii will be the most ground breaking because of M+. You can already see it in wiisports resort.

The future of Nintendo's flagships are CAUSUALIZATION!

:lol:

I just think they need to make a new IP (or keep an old one, less likely to work) that is suited to motion controls (I mean a full game, not a collection of mini games), they definitely have the capabilities, they just seem resistant to it for some reason.Z0MBIES

Do they really need to create a new IP? They have so many old ones just sitting on the shelf that would do very well with a revamping. We still haven't even seen a Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-zero, or Pikmin game yet, and people are clamoring for a Kid Icarus revival. I think with all that, the Wii _____ IP is the only new thing we're going to get out of Ninty for a while:P

As much as I like Mario and enjoyed SMG I wish Ninty would take a break for them.There is just too many Mario games IMO.

Do they really need to create a new IP? They have so many old ones just sitting on the shelf that would do very well with a revamping. We still haven't even seen a Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-zero, or Pikmin game yet, and people are clamoring for a Kid Icarus revival. I think with all that, the Wii _____ IP is the only new thing we're going to get out of Ninty for a while:P

TaMuK711